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Post by Rags on Jul 29, 2010 6:45:58 GMT
Back in the early-to-mid 70's the club owned two houses opposite us in Frobisher Green, 6 and 8 I think. I know Eddie Rowles lived in one with his rather glam, blonde wife and two Basset Hounds; and I'd like to think Dave Tearse lived in the other but that might be my imagination. Phil Sandercock lived further round FB, while Andy Provan lived on Sherwell Valley Road in one of those houses with the garages underneath, about number 150.
A few years earlier I'd seen Mike Trebilcock running laps of the Armada Park football pitch in pre-season so he might have lived nearby.
Do Chelston still play at Armada Park? The were in the Devon & Exeter League back then, I always found difficult to understand why a Torquay club were playing in an Exeter league...
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Post by merse on Jul 29, 2010 7:04:59 GMT
Do Chelston still play at Armada Park? The were in the Devon & Exeter League back then, I always found difficult to understand why a Torquay club were playing in an Exeter league... Some time ago they merged with Kingskerswell FC. I always found it difficult to believe why a Torquay club should merge with an out of town club? On a more serious note, back in the fifties and late forties, Chelston were amongst a number of the more "ambitious" South Devon clubs who opted for the superior (at the time) Devon & Exeter League (as it was then) in preference to the South Devon League to avoid having to play on those awful council pitches (except their own of course!) Torquay Villa (Cricketfield Road) were another as well as Newton Spurs, Kingsteignton Athletic, ,Newton Rangers (in the sixties at Bakers Park NA) and much later still, Buckland Athletic.It's a sad reflection on the reputation of Torbay as a sporting centre.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2010 10:19:10 GMT
Do Chelston still play at Armada Park? Some time ago they merged with Kingskerswell FC. I was never sure what the merger was about although I understand first team matches are played at Armada Park. Not sure about reserve and age group games because, passing on the train, I see football is still played at Kingskerswell. Reminder of a story I heard about Upton Athletic needing a win at Armada Park to clinch the SDL title. After half-an-hour Mark Loram had done the damage and - task accomplished - was duly substituted. Cue immediate sound of ring-pull cans being opened in the changing rooms. And, on the topic of Chelston's growth in the 1950s and 1960s, there must have been lots of children in the area leading to the rapid expansion of Sherwell Valley primary school. At the area primary schools sports day at Cricketfield Road, the arrival of Sherwell Valley was rather like the East Germans or Russians marching up Old Woods Hill: "they're here! There's loads of them and they're enormous..."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2010 11:13:26 GMT
Going back to the original post, you want to ask what it was like for the new arrivals recruited to form our very first Football League side in 1927. Many of these players would have been hastily-recruited from clubs throughout the country. Some only played for Torquay United for a relatively short period; others would have stayed longer and made their lives in South Devon. Did they arrive on their own during the summer of 1927 to be put up in "digs" - or did they almost immediately bring families? You can almost sense that joining Torquay United was such a risky proposition that it resembled "working away from home" until things became more established (finishing bottom of the league must have added to the sense of precariousness). I guess we'll never know the answers but we can imagine the players living pretty close to Plainmoor and cycling or walking to training and matches. Or a tram ride up Forest Road?
Albert Hutchinson, who we discussed last week, would be an interesting case in point: signed from Luton Town in 1930; Sheffield-born; age unknown; married or unmarried? You wonder where he might have lived and what would it have been like being pitched into life in Torquay in the 1930s.
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Post by jmgull on Jul 29, 2010 20:23:22 GMT
Back in the early-to-mid 70's the club owned two houses opposite us in Frobisher Green, 6 and 8 I think. I know Eddie Rowles lived in one with his rather glam, blonde wife and two Basset Hounds; and I'd like to think Dave Tearse lived in the other but that might be my imagination. I live at no 5 now rags.....did you live at 5 or 7? Small world eh! .....no basset hound but i've got a beagle
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2010 21:57:35 GMT
Eddie Rowles lived in one with his rather glam, blonde wife and two Basset Hounds Torquay United players' wives - a potted history?
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Post by Jon on Jul 29, 2010 22:16:06 GMT
Some time ago they merged with Kingskerswell FC. I was never sure what the merger was about although I understand first team matches are played at Armada Park. Not sure about reserve and age group games because, passing on the train, I see football is still played at Kingskerswell. The first team plays at Armada Park and the reserves at Kingskerswell. It's one of those mergers which sort of makes sense if you look at the strengths and weaknesses of the two clubs at the time, but makes no sense whatsoever in a historical or geographical context. Chelston was struggling to find people to run the club and was facing closure. Kerswell had good management/admin people and a brilliant record for producing youngsters through Kingskerswell Colts. It was a similar story to the proposed Upton / Waldon merger - except that Chelston were more desperate than Upton. That one got spiked because Upton were quite rightly protective of their history. Geography was less of a problem as you could throw a stone from Upton to Waldon, whereas Kerswell isn't even in Torbay. A few Chelston disussion links : torquayfansforum.com/index.cgi?board=tufchistory&action=display&thread=4263www.runboard.com/bsouthdevonfootballforum.f27.t243nonleaguematters.co.uk/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=82223;page=1;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25;session=f3bb6d3d1ffd1c9dca2ad4417b9fb59dThe last of these is the first time I came across the famous Barton Downs - back in the days when he only lurked on this forum.
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Post by Jon on Jul 29, 2010 22:27:48 GMT
older players (usually with families) who chose to buy houses upon signing for the club I doubt whether many TUFC players were in a position to buy a house in the mid 60s. Footballers were still very much "working men" at the time - and I don't think "working men" were able to aspire to buy houses at that time. I had a chat with Mr O'Farrell (Homelands will tell me off if I call him Frank ) at the Eastern Eye Curry Night and he said it was easy getting players to come to Torquay when he was first here - all you had to do was find them a decent house to rent (club-owned or not). When he returned in the 80s, it was far more difficult as players were looking to buy and found house prices prohibitive.
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Post by Dave on Jul 29, 2010 22:29:10 GMT
The Dave R on that last link Jon is not me.
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Post by Jon on Jul 29, 2010 23:16:23 GMT
The Dave R on that last link Jon is not me. I know Dave. Actually, I had better advise Merse not to click that link. He won't like Russell's avatar. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2010 8:18:05 GMT
I doubt whether many TUFC players were in a position to buy a house in the mid 60s. Footballers were still very much "working men" at the time - and I don't think "working men" were able to aspire to buy houses at that time. Perhaps there's a doctoral thesis out there on Home ownership amongst lower division footballers 1945-2000? One consideration might be to assess the impact of the abolition of the maximum wage in the early 1960s on the third and fourth divisions. I don't know much about that and I'm not even sure if Torquay United were regarded as relatively "good payers" in, say, 1965, 1970, 1975, etc. Presumably too, changes in footballers’ contractual relationships with their clubs were starting to influence lifestyle and financial decisions. Certainly, in the wider society, there had been a move towards greater home ownership in the 1950s that continued into the 1960s and beyond. See Section V (page 13/34): www.parliament.uk/documents/commons/lib/research/rp99/rp99-111.pdf
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Post by Rags on Jul 30, 2010 11:03:00 GMT
Back in the early-to-mid 70's the club owned two houses opposite us in Frobisher Green, 6 and 8 I think. I know Eddie Rowles lived in one with his rather glam, blonde wife and two Basset Hounds; and I'd like to think Dave Tearse lived in the other but that might be my imagination. I live at no 5 now rags.....did you live at 5 or 7? Small world eh! .....no basset hound but i've got a beagle We lived at 1, right on the corner. Looking at Google Streetview, we didn't have the large hedge/trees on the "upper garden" that it does now, and it was painted yellow. The woman who lived at 5 then had a Labrador, as we also did. So is that your car in the drive with the reg plate clearly visible: WK02 etc?
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Post by keyberrygull on Jul 30, 2010 11:51:04 GMT
I'm not sure if he had a Labrador but Paul Dobson did have a home in Kingsteignton during his Plainmoor days. Next door to my brother, off Greenhill Way.
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Post by jmgull on Jul 30, 2010 15:19:17 GMT
I live at no 5 now rags.....did you live at 5 or 7? Small world eh! .....no basset hound but i've got a beagle We lived at 1, right on the corner. Looking at Google Streetview, we didn't have the large hedge/trees on the "upper garden" that it does now, and it was painted yellow. The woman who lived at 5 then had a Labrador, as we also did. So is that your car in the drive with the reg plate clearly visible: WK02 etc? ....thats the wife's runaround/stock car Yeah the guy at no 1 obviously doesnt like the sun coming through the windows! I Guess, like me you used to take your labrador up to armada park, a great safe, enclosed doggie park.......ideal for dogs like labs and beagles who love to run and play.
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Post by powles1 on Aug 1, 2010 5:36:00 GMT
This is my first post so I hope I get it right! I lived in Second Avenue on the Daison Estate just after the War and at No. 38 lived John McNeil and later Harold Dobbie. I always understood it was a club owned house.
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