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Post by derekhutchinson on Oct 10, 2010 19:49:39 GMT
Interesting Luton v Arsenal programme. There is a future Torquay manager in the Arsenal team - one of many internationals in the Arsenal line-up. Do you have a date for the game Derek? I assume it was in the 1929-30 season. Was it a friendly or what? The spelling of the man on the left-wing is Hutchison rather than Hutchinson. Ray Bowden - a Westcountryman in that Arsenal side alongside Eddie Hapgood and Cliff Bastin - didn't sign for Arsenal until 1933. I'm guessing it's the 3rd round FA Cup tie of 1933-34. Perhaps Albert was back in Luton visiting old friends? According to Raymond Hutchinson the program was the first match that Albert ever played in for Luton which would put the program date around 1928/9 I will try get the exact date... |
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Post by derekhutchinson on Oct 10, 2010 20:49:59 GMT
Off subject and I leave this up to the administrators but thought this may be a fitting memorial and legacy for Albert. His Legacy is the following Photo of 4 generations together. whilst this may seem a few, there are about 10 people missing from this because they are over seas or couldn't make it. The one with the beard looking like Santa is Alberts Eldest son.  I will one day get a photo with all his offspring and family together, looking for another camera lens ha ha! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2010 7:00:25 GMT
I've checked career histories of various Arsenal and Luton players and it all points to this being the 1934 Luton v Arsenal FA Cup game.
Then, consulting the Torquay United centenary history, it appears Albert missed two months during 1933/34 not playing for Torquay United between 30 December and 3 March. Furthermore, an earlier absence meant he missed all three of our FA Cup ties that season. This might be far-fetched - and I can't see any evidence of it - but, without being cup-tied, did Albert return to Luton for those two months? Or did he watch the Arsenal game when injured (or ill) and that's someone else on the left wing? I think it's time for the online Times archive....
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Post by powles1 on Oct 11, 2010 8:29:43 GMT
Please is anyone able to put names to the 1931/32 team lineup photograph that Derek has posted. Holgate also shows it but with only minimal identification.
Thanks to anyone who can help.
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Post by Budleigh on Oct 11, 2010 17:12:01 GMT
It's coincidences such as this that make this forum and the history our club so fascinating... I've put on the site a number of books by Alec Adrian including one that has a great bit of pre-war history from when he played as an amateur for Torquay United in the early-thirties. And in this book he also reproduces the photo from here with names put to some of the faces, including his own. It can be seen at the thread placed at the bottom of this, but I will also pop it on here. So a sort of 'circle' is completed as Alec Adrian is my own 'preferred' pre-war player only because of the books of his I have in my possession, (closely followed by Dudley Kernick, again because I enjoyed his own autobiography and started researching him way before I knew of this forum). And here we have a line-up from that period that has both Albert Hutchinson and Alec Adrian in it, so they knew each other! www.torquayfansforum.com/index.cgi?board=tufchistory&action=display&thread=4159 |
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Post by Jon on Oct 11, 2010 21:19:51 GMT
I've checked career histories of various Arsenal and Luton players and it all points to this being the 1934 Luton v Arsenal FA Cup game. Then, consulting the Torquay United centenary history, it appears Albert missed two months during 1933/34 not playing for Torquay United between 30 December and 3 March. Furthermore, an earlier absence meant he missed all three of our FA Cup ties that season. This might be far-fetched - and I can't see any evidence of it - but, without being cup-tied, did Albert return to Luton for those two months? Or did he watch the Arsenal game when injured (or ill) and that's someone else on the left wing? I think it's time for the online Times archive.... Albert taking the chance to visit old friends and watch the mighty Arsenal in a Cup Tie whilst laid up with injury is almost certainly the answer here. I wonder if he traveled back to Luton with their team after their visit to Plainmoor the week before. That game was played on the day that The Arsenal's great manager Herbert Chapman passed away. Outside-left Davie Hutchison (no N) signed for Luton from Carlisle in 1932. Here's the Times match report - 1-0 to the (lucky) Arsenal. Plus ça change.  Below the match report is a fascinating table of attendances and gate receipts:  I note that Luton took £3,000 from 18,641 fans, whilst Liverpool only took £2,641 from 45,619. I make that an average ticket price of one shilling and twopence at Anfield but a staggering three and threepence at Luton. I hope that Albert did blag a comp or how on earth would he explain to his Mrs that he had blown three bob on a football match - even if it was The Arsenal? |
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Post by Jon on Oct 11, 2010 21:33:59 GMT
Albert taking the chance to visit old friends and watch the mighty Arsenal in a Cup Tie whilst laid up with injury is almost certainly the answer here. As Albert watched the mighty Arsenal, I wonder if he dreamed that one day he would be running out at Highbury? It happened just three months later - Torquay thrashing Norwich 4-1 in the semi-final of the Division Three South Cup (with Albert at inside-left). |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2010 21:53:37 GMT
Outside-left Davie Hutchison (no N) signed for Luton from Carlisle in 1932. Well done on finding Davie Hutchison. I couldn't get beyond the rather more recent Don Hutchison with my searches who, long career or not, I was pretty sure didn't quite go back so far. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2010 21:57:58 GMT
I hope that Albert did blag a comp or how on earth would he explain to his Mrs that he had blown three bob on a football match - even if it was The Arsenal? Followed, perhaps, by an evening up the Dunstable Road at the dogs? |
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Post by derekhutchinson on Oct 12, 2010 12:03:56 GMT
Some good history digging here, I stand corrected on my posts.
One thing that new information brings are the investigations and findings that follow.
Great work!
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Post by Budleigh on Oct 12, 2010 18:45:37 GMT
By chance I found myself walking out of Waitrose in Plainmoor this afternoon.... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2010 19:58:41 GMT
By chance I found myself walking out of Waitrose in Plainmoor this afternoon.... Nice one but I would have thought the Sidmouth branch would have been more likely to have received your custom! Ah, a far cry from Normans of Budleigh.... |
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Post by Budleigh on Oct 20, 2010 21:10:43 GMT
I do normally frequent the Sidmouth branch, but found myself visiting the Plainmoor area for a 'meeting' and decided to grab the chance to get the pic!
Normans in Budleigh, now a load of houses built in Normans Close.
Trolleys that really didn't want to go the way you pushed them and the real 'pile 'em high' scenario. I remember reaching the checkout with my mother pushing the biggest pile of shopping I'd ever seen and nearly falling over when the bill reached £10 even though it was the Christmas shop.
Normans built, of course, in the old railway shed next to Budleigh Station.
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Post by topmanmike on Nov 17, 2010 20:33:05 GMT
Hi All
Introduction...my name is Mike Barton and I am the football secretary at Buxton FC in the Evo-Stik Premier League.
For one of our programme articles I Googled Albert Hutchinson to find a photo and came across this fascinating Forum Topic.
Albert played for Buxton for 2 seasons in the old Cheshire League from 1945 to 47.
He made his debut in a 3-3 draw at Crewe Alex reserves on the 29th of August 1945. (Although my records and our good chairman's don't seem to match if you read the article below) He scored 27 goals in 41 appearances in 45/46 and scored 19 the following season also in 41 matches. I have the full record from 45/46 if anyone wants an excel file but I don't have it for 46/47
mike@buxtonfc.co.uk
Below is the article we have written about the return match at the Silverlands v Crewe Res in 1946...
MEMORABLE MATCHES
Our epic F.C. Cup encounters against A.F.C Telford Utd and Fleetwood Town will, I am sure, long live in the memories of those fortunate enough to witness them. They of course follow in a long line of memorable matches featuring ‘the Bucks’ so we will be taking in some of them in the course of the rest of the season.
Today’s offering dates back to those heady post-war days when Buxton were seeking a first Cheshire League title and a first appearance in the F.A. Cup’s competition proper. ‘Gates’ were generally measured in thousands and goals flowed a-plenty as teams played with two wingers and their 5 forwards were numbered from 7 to 11!
The date for today’s chosen match was Saturday, Feb 23rd 1946, and the scoreline was the remarkable………..BUXTON (7) 11 CREWE ALEXANDRA RESERVES (3) 3! As many as 7 reserve teams of Football League Clubs (Chester, Crewe, Oldham, Port Vale, Stockport Tranmere and Wrexham) figured in the Cheshire League in that first post-war season, but, of course, their strength could vary remarkably from week to week depending on first-team call. ‘The Bucks’ had met ‘the Alex’ previously on the last Saturday of the old year and a 3-3 draw had been the outcome at Gresty Road, the loss of a point (two for a win in those days) costing Joe Martin’s team the league leadership. Two months later, Buxton still stood second to Wellington Town while ‘the Alex’ in 16th place were too close to the bottom of the 20 club league for comfort and had conceded 7 goals the previous Saturday. The Buxton side at that time was remarkably settled with 9 of the players seemingly automatic choices. The exceptions were the goalkeeper (as many as 11 filled the position that season!) and left-half, wearing the number 6 shirt, with 8 men being tried by mid-May. Against Crewe, ex-Stoke City player Moore made his debut at left-half but was not among the scorers, who numbered five. Leading the way was centre-forward Jimmy Quinn with 4. (He had missed the opening fixture of the season because his bus from Chesterfield was full and no ‘duplicate’ had been laid on!) Inside-right Albert Hutchinson bagged a hat-trick, while Sammy Baker netted a brace, with wingers Arthur Orwin and Ralph White (so long the club’s leading post-war scorer until overtaken by ‘Reedy’) scored one each. By the end of this remarkable campaign, these 5 forwards had amassed some 130 goals out of the 142 scored in the 41 games played! On the day, the match reporter deemed Hutchinson, Quinn and Baker to have been outstanding but goalkeeper, Harbottle, the 7th of the eleven tried was blamed for 2 of the Crewe goals as ‘the Alex’ described as a ‘clean and sportsmanlike’ outfit, fought back from 6-0 down after 28 minutes to a more respectable 6-3. The ‘Bucks’ however got ‘their second wind’, took the score to 7-3 by half-time and to 11-3 by the end and their league total to 112, on the way beating their previous best Cheshire League tally of 107, scored in the whole of 1936/37 season! Unsurprisingly this proved to be our record Cheshire League score, beating the 9-1 thrashing of Rhyl in the ‘37/38 season, and was unsurpassed in our remaining 27 years in the competition. By way of celebration, supporters could roll up that night to the Town Hall to support the club’s fund-raising ‘olde tyme’ dance! (The other 4 players of that famous day, not previously mentioned, were full-backs Ernest Sykes and Willis Gregg, right-half Robinson and centre-half George Carlile – no substitutes in those days)
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