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Jul 21, 2010 6:54:08 GMT
Post by lambethgull on Jul 21, 2010 6:54:08 GMT
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I actually agree with Dave that this subject should die a death. Whilst I think its absurd that a certain individual maintains he was treated unfairly by Dave and others on this forum, it hardly warrants a great deal of thought or attention...the TFF should move on, even if others can't or won't.
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Aussie
Jul 23, 2010 20:01:08 GMT
Post by pappy on Jul 23, 2010 20:01:08 GMT
Personally I side with Aussie on this. Merse does come acros as someone who thinks he is always right. I know that some people can et heated to easily but Merse seems to wind people up quite a bit with his pompus posting. My opinion which might not be shared by anyone else.
Welcome back Aussie. ice to see you are back and Hello to everyone else.
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Jul 23, 2010 22:12:44 GMT
Post by stefano on Jul 23, 2010 22:12:44 GMT
Personally I side with Aussie on this. Merse does come acros as someone who thinks he is always right. I know that some people can et heated to easily but Merse seems to wind people up quite a bit with his pompus posting. My opinion which might not be shared by anyone else. Welcome back Aussie. ice to see you are back and Hello to everyone else. Side with Aussie on what though Pappy? Please include a quote so that I know where you are coming from, I did scroll down through the last fifty and there was no 'Aussie' thread quote and whilst I know I can research further would I find what you are on about? I like Aussie although I have only little knowledge of him and I hope he will be posting lots when we get going in a couple of weeks. When I met him he came across as a really decent guy and I have never seen anything to make me doubt that first impression. Merse will only wind people up if you have allowed him to wind you up. He is a very knowledgable person and has got a lot of experience with our club in different roles, which includes something like 49 years as a supporter, working for the club as a commercial manager, and being an amateur youth player. Quite a lot under his belt to voice an opinion apart from his varied experience of life which gives him knowledge of other aspects other than football. As you posted about Aussie then yes I really hope he hasn't been put off again. I love his posts and I loved meeting him. He does get wound up too easily and I am sure he knows that. Equally I am sure that Merse knows that he is not always right. He is a good debater, he has a good deal of knowledge and experience to put behind that debate, but of course there are many things (for example left versus right politics) where there is in fact no right or wrong answer. Merse will always have a strong opinion on those areas where there is no right or wrong. I am sure also, that on issues where there can be a right or wrong, he knows that occasionally he gets it wrong. It's all part of life and it would be very boring if we were all the same. |
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Jul 24, 2010 7:29:44 GMT
Post by merse on Jul 24, 2010 7:29:44 GMT
Merse will only wind people up if you have allowed him to wind you up.
Equally I am sure that Merse knows that he is not always right. He is a good debater, he has a good deal of knowledge and experience to put behind that debate, but of course there are many things (for example left versus right politics) where there is in fact no right or wrong answer. Merse will always have a strong opinion on those areas where there is no right or wrong. I am sure also, that on issues where there can be a right or wrong, he knows that occasionally he gets it wrong.
It's all part of life and it would be very boring if we were all the same.  I had a PM from someone recently in which they told me how they had come over to this forum because on another place they had long ago become sick of having their views rubbished because of who was posting them rather than for the posts themselves. Incredibly, for someone so "media savvy" they had been in blissfull ignorance of this site until recently. No man on earth knows he is right...................ever. Most men on earth believe they are right when they forward their point of view. That is the essence of the intelligence and perception that evolution has granted the human race..................now I might be wrong in that assumption, but it is what I believe. Putting forth a point of view that is either unpopular or at odds with the general concensus ~ an individual's point of view even ~ is not winding up. To sit on the opposite sides of the floor of the House of Commons is not done to "wind up" it is done to underline the debating style that is a part of this country's heritage, whereas the style of the Roman Forum was to sit in a circle and debate matters. It really doesn't make a jot of difference in which configuration a debate has it's seating plan, what matters is it's conformation to the tenet of cut and thrust, parry and riposte. If one is going to cry foul and stamp one's feet just becasue another member of a forum offers differing views then one really isn't cut out for the discipline of debate and will isolate themselves. I also recently received some PMs from another member on here accusing me of lying and "being known as a liar" ~ interesting that, since it contained no specific instance, but was in response from a challenge from that person for me to reference an outrageous claim he had made on these boards to a third party who "would know" that his claim was truthful..................I did check out that claim and it was untruthful ~ the "referee" in fact is a regular corespondent with me on many matters and we do have a date in our diaries to meet up next month when he is working near London. Yes I do hold strong opinions, and no I don't have any compunction in putting them forward. Like my friend of many years standing who PMd me explaining his frustration at having his views judged more on who they came from rather than for their own content, I do get frustrated at being regarded this way by the same old suspects, but at the end of the day I guess my skin is thicker than his and I think thickness of skin is a pre-requisite when putting one's view forward. So when something upsets you on here or gets your dander up, re-read the message before shooting the messenger ~ those who get so easily offended might then discover a whole new enjoyment of being a part of TFF.....................and as Stefano says, it would be a boring world if we were all the same. |
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Aussie
Jul 24, 2010 8:50:59 GMT
Post by aussie on Jul 24, 2010 8:50:59 GMT
What an absolute massive crock of bollocks, you are a wind up merchant of enormous proportions and enjoy baiting people! I haven`t been back on here for a while because it is pointless, what ever I say you will try and put down and rubbish to make me look as bad as you can. I will not give you the satisfaction of me deleting my account and will stay in the distance just reading for the time being. I hope you enjoy YOUR forum with out me!
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Aussie
Jul 24, 2010 8:55:10 GMT
Post by scottbrehaut1 on Jul 24, 2010 8:55:10 GMT
Aussie,
When you reply to a post with something like that what do you expect?!
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Aussie
Jul 24, 2010 8:57:39 GMT
Post by scottbrehaut1 on Jul 24, 2010 8:57:39 GMT
Dave, What happened to the ignore button  |
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Jul 24, 2010 9:10:21 GMT
Post by Dave on Jul 24, 2010 9:10:21 GMT
Dave, What happened to the ignore button Hi Scott, it was something I never felt a forum should ever have on it and I only put in the code as I was frustrated Aussie came back in and started where he left off with merse and was not adding any content to any of the other subjects being discussed. I will write a post giving my views on this thread very shortly. |
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Jul 24, 2010 9:23:58 GMT
Post by keyberrygull on Jul 24, 2010 9:23:58 GMT
It would be a dull forum if everyone agreed with everything but why Alan feels the need to go that extra step and do what ever he can to humiliate fellow forum members is beyond me. Disagree by all means but why the churlish and childish afters. Personal digs add nothing to the debate and are pointless unless all you want to do is cause ill feeling and add to the likelihood of people not posting again. It’s amazing how a portly 40 something father of 2, sent to Sunday school as a child and voted Tory at the last election, who disagrees on a certain issue can become a “FAT, BIBLE BASHING FASCIST BASTARD” very quickly.
Alan,
Instead of asking the younger forum members on here to grow up and act more responsibly maybe a change in your attitude toward this forum would encourage many more users to join in the debate, swell the membership and maybe help the club with more members able to contribute to the player sponsorship fund.
Still time to put your name forward.
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Aussie
Jul 24, 2010 9:27:59 GMT
Post by aussie on Jul 24, 2010 9:27:59 GMT
Dave, What happened to the ignore button Hi Scott, it was something I never felt a forum should ever have on it and I only put in the code as I was frustrated Aussie came back in and started where he left off with merse and was not adding any content to any of the other subjects being discussed. I will write a post giving my views on this thread very shortly. Absolute rubbish Dave, I started off chatting with poeple and then Merse sticks his oar in and starts to rubbish the Aussie football team ( because he knows I will react ) on a thread meant to welcome me back, also I have posted on other threads and not just on this one, you can try to make me out to be the villian if you want to but if the wind up merchant stopped his one up-manship crusade then this would not have happened. I suppose I should have known better that everyone always sides with the playground bully! |
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Jul 24, 2010 9:39:07 GMT
Post by merse on Jul 24, 2010 9:39:07 GMT
It would be a dull forum if everyone agreed with everything but why Alan feels the need to go that extra step and do what ever he can to humiliate fellow forum members is beyond me.
It’s amazing how a portly 40 something father of 2, sent to Sunday school as a child and voted Tory at the last election, who disagrees on a certain issue can become a “FAT, BIBLE BASHING FASCIST BASTARD” very quickly. There's a "Fat, Fifty Something father of five" here who is struggling to recall the description I have quoted you as using ever being used on here before and I would say that any humiliation on this forum is self inflicted through some ridiculous claims being made in response to some serious debate between those who hold a view that some posters continue to struggle with the concept of others holding a different point of view than them without taking it as some personal sleight.. Contributions to any fund raising exercise are a matter of personal choice and more importantly personal circumstance and priority.................I thought that as a father of two, you would appreciate that fact. |
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Jul 24, 2010 9:53:17 GMT
Post by merse on Jul 24, 2010 9:53:17 GMT
A very warm welcome back dear Aussie, I have put your flag in your profile for you.  Welcome back Aus! ......................and this is what sparked the latest tantrum from a "forty something father"  |
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Jul 24, 2010 9:57:41 GMT
Post by keyberrygull on Jul 24, 2010 9:57:41 GMT
Alan,
I'm off to Hatherleigh to play cricket but IMO a change in your attitude toward this forum would encourage many more users to join in the debate and swell the membership.
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Jul 24, 2010 10:00:12 GMT
Post by merse on Jul 24, 2010 10:00:12 GMT
The poor team was the one with the over-rated under-achievers, premiership stars from all the big clubs that didn`t bother and don`t care, not us!
Because another country performs badly does not mean one's own performance somehow miraculously becomes better.
There were more than enough squads who underperformed..................in no particular order, France, Italy, Greece, Brazil, Argentina, Nigeria incurred the wrath of their public for either collective or particularly fatally poor shows in the knock out stages; and no doubt there were others. ........................and this was the supposed "picking on the Socceroos" plus an observation that present day World Cups are prolongued and played at the end of a long hard season rather than as a prelude to a new season when qualifying was much harder which ensured quality rather than quantity took part. |
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Jul 24, 2010 10:40:48 GMT
Post by Jon on Jul 24, 2010 10:40:48 GMT
Merse,
It is a FACT that your posting style gets up a lot of people's noses. A number of quality posters are lost to this site because of that. That might not be your intention but that IS the effect you have on people.
I seem to recall that we had a debate on "casual racism" and I think you made the point (I could be wrong on this) that it doesn't matter that no offence was meant by "casually racist" remarks but what did matter was that casually racist remarks did cause offence.
I see a lot of your remarks as "casually disdainful" - and the effect is similar.
I don't buy the argument that you have to be disdainful and dismissive in your style to avoid posts becoming boring. It is the content and the reasoning behind an argument that makes your posts interesting - the disdainful style doesn't add anything at all, quite the opposite.
If you were a big ugly centre half, I wouldn't mind if you picked up yellow cards for mistiming the odd tackle - as aggression in the tackle would be your strength. It would be part of the game - an occupational hazard. If you kept picking up yellow and red cards for constantly niggling the ref or kicking the ball away, I would ask you to cut that out.
Aus is a good lad, but he's got to the point where he is overly touchy about everything you say because of past history. Give him a break and back off a little, won't you? Bending to accommodate a friend, even if you are sure you have done nothing wrong, is not a weakness - it is a strength.
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