tufc01
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Post by tufc01 on Sept 11, 2008 20:06:37 GMT
I see that Phillips has been relegated to the bench for Rushden tonight.
Now i was a big big fan of Phillips, and didn't want him to go. Would also like to see him back, however he has scored only once all season and now he has dropped down to the bench.
This begs two questions;
1. Was Paul Buckle right to get rid of him when he did?
2. Is Phillips character such that when he isn't in the starting 11 his 'relationship' with the manager suffers? is this where it started to go wrong for him last year?
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Post by Dave on Sept 11, 2008 21:16:42 GMT
tufc01, to answer your questions, as I think we miss Phillips, I would have to say no to your first question, I think Phillips won't be too happy at R.D If he does not get many starts. I believe Phillips was not happy when he did not play or was substituted while playing for us and may well have made his feelings known a little too strongly, I think you may find Desane suffers the same problem and has shown a bad attitude to also being substituted, hence why he left the ground, when he was meant to meet Ant. I always thought that a good pro should be a team player and If he was not picked, would just get on and train hard and wait to get his chance. He would also try and understand why he may have been taken off, but there will always be some players who, will just react the wrong way and those that do, often find they are put on the transfer list or out on loan.
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Post by merse on Sept 12, 2008 3:08:54 GMT
I see that Phillips has been relegated to the bench for Rushden tonight. Now i was a big big fan of Phillips, and didn't want him to go. Would also like to see him back, however he has scored only once all season and now he has dropped down to the bench. According to match reports Lee Phillips was injured and substituted in the 56th minute last Saturday. Garry Hills' selection and his subsequent decision not to use him was justified with a 4-0 away win last night. I watched the first half, and wouldn't say R&D's (and therefore Hill's) way of playing the game was any different than Torquay United's (and thus Paul Buckle's) game plan. Was there a sudden switch to playing the game "the way it was meant to be played" in the second half last night? The fact that a goalless first half was followed by a four goal thrashing leads me to make that point, but knowing Garry Hill from old and having extensively seen his methods close up at Dagenham - where he was so successfull, I would be more than surprised.
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Post by Dave on Sept 12, 2008 16:21:54 GMT
So what are you saying here Merse? that R&D play the same way as Torquay and It must be like you say the way to play in the BSP, because they won by four goals. You have just lost your own argument, the one defending hoof ball over playing football the way it was meant to be played. R&D were rubbish the first half, the bottom club Lewes, looked the far better side, but never looked liked scoring.The goals did not come by hoof ball football, but from good crosses played from out wide, followed by very poor defending. The prove of this is that Leon Knight the smallest man on the pitch, was able to get free headers in the box. Tell me before this game, how well were R&D doing? I think you will find they have been struggling just like us, no real surprise there then, playing the football R&D played In the first half last night. Now what did you say on the pure football thread? I know, that Mansfield by playing pure football were only able to get a point. Strange then that they top the league, one would think they should be where R&D are, who should surly be top. So Mansfield a footballing team once again Is showing that If you play the game properly It gets its rewards. Just like last season when at the top were two footballing teams and two hoof ball teams. Now let me think, who went up, yes the two teams who played football. I will await with interest, the results of R&D and TUFC when they play Mansfield, fancy a little bet on the results Merse.
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Post by merse on Sept 12, 2008 18:20:25 GMT
I watched the first half, and wouldn't say R&D's (and therefore Hill's) way of playing the game was any different than Torquay United's (and thus Paul Buckle's) game plan. knowing Garry Hill from old and having extensively seen his methods close up at Dagenham - where he was so successfull, I would be more than surprised. What I asked was .............."was there a change of style?" because having witnessed Hill's teams playing the ball forward at the earliest opportunity throughout his successful time at D&R, I would doubt that he got his fine tuning any more sophisticated than maybe delivering that ball from a wider angle. Mark Janney was a huge weapon in his armoury at Daggers, but more often - rather than go for the cross - his way was to run at defenders finishing off with a shot for himself. If I shut my eyes now, I can still hear Hill and his coach (Terry Harris) berating Janney for taking matters into his own hands and "going outside" rather than "going inside"....................Hill didn't want crosses, he wanted shots on goal! When it was looking like Janney was going to get a move to a higher level (he turned it down as he had a stock exchange job too) I actually recommended to Harris that they take a look at Tony Bedeau who I thought could be played to his main strengths in that fashion. As I said, I only saw the first half and R&D played pretty much out of that mould last night. I wanted to know if they changed that approach at all, not a Soap Box paranoid tirade against "hoof ball" Despite what you choose to believe, I love to study playing formations and tactics. There is no "way football was meant to be played" Dave, it is about applying your mind to the method that best fits the players you have at your disposal, the amount of time you have available to coach them, the method that (in your opinion) will maximise returns of points from games and (if possible) a degree of flexibility so as to retain the element of surprise. Different managers use different methods. The two ultimate and polar opposite methods of direct, high tempo attack and patient, ball retention and build up attain no greater success ratio of one over the other at the level of the game we (Lge 2 & BSP) play at in my opinion. Confident "direct" sides play the strikers in early and to feet whilst those lacking in confidence bely that insecurity by launching it through the air from the back. Confident "passing" sides make damaging incisive moves but when their touch and confidence goes they look for the easy and safe option often leading to overpassing the ball.............again, in my opinion. Hey I've just realised...................Garry Hill has managed both D&R and R&D - spooky or what?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2008 19:12:22 GMT
merse after a boring first half of hoofball and clueless football like you can see at a ground near you well near me anyway the style was changed to what dave r calls football the way its meant to be played. The result was 4 goals and proves there is only one good way to play
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Post by merse on Sept 12, 2008 19:55:59 GMT
I was hoping for a more objective report Dartgull. I've now got one from the Rushden web site that states that the first three goals were from re-starts: two free kicks and a corner and that only the fourth came from "open play" and involved a low cross for Leon Knight to head home. According to the Diamond's site, the catalyst for better football came from the second goal reducing the fear of conceding an equaliser and thus the side settled down to play " the sort of football the fans had hoped to see earlier in the season" Six minutes and three goals must have seen Lewes fall apart I would think.
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Post by Dave on Sept 12, 2008 20:07:26 GMT
Meres my dear man we will still be arguing over the correct way to play until the cows come home. You have seen what happens when you play hoof ball and don't get the results, just look at the last two home gates.
I have seen Mansfield on the TV they are top and played some great football, that Is what fans want to watch and there is no reason in the world, that with the players we have, we can't play a good passing game. I really do not study formations and tactics, so I really have to be honest and say, I only know If a game was really pleasing to watch, or just a load Of rubbish.
Fans would have put up last season with hoof ball, If it had got us back into the league, but as we know we got found out with only one way to play and that was the end of any chances to go up. I fully understand anyone who refuses to pay to watch what has been on offer lately. My point has always been that you can play football that fans will enjoy to watch and still get the results you need.
I will once again draw you to the fact that Mansfield is on top, playing good football and the two best footballing sides went up last year.
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Post by kipper on Sept 12, 2008 20:37:11 GMT
[glow=red,2,300][/glow] Meres my dear man we will still be arguing over the correct way to play until the cows come home. Mine's just back from Night School, so is that the end of this thread!! Or have I missed your meaning??
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Post by Dave on Sept 12, 2008 20:54:53 GMT
Yes you missed It kipper, how can you say those things about the love of your life Its a Devon thing, just to try and make Merse homesick ;D
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