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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2009 17:31:24 GMT
Although I'm afraid I can't present any Manhattan Musings I'm able to offer a few Trafford Thoughts having just returned from the wholly unlovely comforts of the Travelodge at the Trafford Centre near Manchester. I was there on the pretext of accompanying former work colleagues to a five-a-side tournament at the Trafford Centre Powerleague Soccerdome which claims to be the largest of its kind in the world with 19 indoor and 3 outdoor astroturf pitches. It's the aircraft hanger-looking place next door to the Chill Factor ski centre - and our lot had the pleasure of playing outdoors in the shadow of the M60 viaduct just a long goal kick away from the sewage farm. Surroundings aside, it's a pretty impressive facility. An early exit from the competition allowed time for a meal at the excellent Bay Horse near Rivington - pub, accommodation and a bowling green: www.thebayhorse.co.uk - a visit to the cricket ground at White Coppice and a drive around good old Blackburn and Darwen. One or two pictures, thanks to Geograph, of an often overlooked part of the country - in the shadow of the Winter Hill TV transmitter - which has a surprising amount to offer: Rivington PikeWhite Coppice cricket groundDarwen Tower
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Post by merse on Jun 14, 2009 19:31:39 GMT
I went up there when I worked at the Manchester Commonwealth Games with a group of road racers who were training on the circuit in the preparation of the main event. Going up there at the crack of dawn was surreal as we passed the Reebok Stadium it looked to be floating on a base of ground mist and the view from the Pike is awesome including a fascinating vantage point high above the Bolton Wanderers football stadium. The funny thing I remember about that morning was how a small group of Tanzanians were apprehended riding along the M61 by Her Madge's finest ~ the same group who had turned up in Manchester without a single bike between them and had to be fitted out by some of the local dealers and cycling clubs
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2009 21:29:07 GMT
Going up there at the crack of dawn was surreal as we passed the Reebok Stadium it looked to be floating on a base of ground mist and the view from the Pike is awesome including a fascinating vantage point high above the Bolton Wanderers football stadium. Needless to say our little road tour took in views of the Reebok and Ewood. Meanwhile the Rivington area is full of associations with William Lever, founder of the soap company Lever Brothers, who was born in Bolton. After spending the weekend on the far tip of Trafford Park - another few rooms along the corridor and we would have been in the ship canal - I found plenty about the sporting venues of the opposite end of Trafford in a wonderful book called Played in Manchester published by English Heritage. It's not a brilliant reproduction but, in the map below, you can see Manchester United, Lancashire County Cricket ground, the old White City and - where the Lowry Museum now stands - New Barns race course (replaced by docks early in the 1900s): This picture from the early 1930s shows Manchester United (top left), Old Trafford cricket ground (bottom left) and - over the to the right - the former White City dog and speedway track which functioned until the 1980s: A few miles further north is the Irwell Valley, home of Manchester's main race course Castle Irwell, The Cliff (which was once Manchester United's main training ground) and a host of other sporting facilities: Then, over towards the east of the city, lies Belle Vue which still has dogs but once had speedway, boxing, amusements and a zoo. And, as this 1931 map shows, it also had a football club called Manchester Central which was a short-lived and ultimately unsuccessful attmept to create another professional club in the city:
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Post by merse on Jun 15, 2009 2:59:55 GMT
I find that map and particularly the aerial picture of Old Trafford absolutely fascinating Barty. Bijou's best friend lives in Lower Broughton and once when up there I took advantage of an early Autumn Sunday morning for a stroll around the site of the old Manchester Racecourse who's footprint is still clearly traceable and easy to follow.....................well, you just walk along the River Irwell! The cantilever roofed grandstand is very similar to one at nearby Salford RFCs ground and in fact was only in use for 18 months before the closure of the course in 1963, which like it's contemporaries; Hurst Park and Birmingham who both closed around the same time were absolute tragedies and a great loss to racing. Former training legend Jack Berry commented at the time "in three years we have lost three great tracks. It's a sin that Manchester had to close. It was a good galloping course, big stiff fences and bags of room ~ far better than Liverpool (Aintree) or Haydock Park. Everyone who rode there loved it".That the stand is still in situ is because it is still in use....................as the reception building of the University of Salford who's main halls of residence are built opposite and one can still see the steppings leading up to the front door ~ they were where the punters would have stood to view the finishing post. The close proximity of two of Manchester United's training establishments is another fascinating aspect of the area............... The Cliff, their one time sole training ground with it's little stand overlooking the main pitch and the huge indoor facility is still in use for the Development squads and Littleton Road where the Academy is based for the 9-16 year olds. Carrington is now the main training centre for the Reds with Manchester City having their training ground right next door! Close proximity is a recurring feature of Manchester's sporting venues........................until a couple of decades ago the post of Head Groundsman at Old Trafford used to be filled by one man for both the Football Ground and Cricket Ground ( Bert Flack was the last in a long line) and the now demolished Maine Road, former home of Manchester City; wasn't that far away from Old Trafford either. Eastlands, where the current City Of Manchester Stadium is situated; is in fact located right back in the neighbourhood of where the club was originally formed all those years ago in Ardwick with Newton Heath ~ the spawning ground of Manchester United, nearby.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2009 16:40:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2009 18:55:01 GMT
Thanks for that, Alpine. You may like this picture - taken from Played in Manchester so please excuse the fold - of the King's Hall, Belle Vue which was a boxing venue although, in this picture, it looks as if wrestling (remember that?) is taking place: And here's the old Hyde Road speedway stadium which disappeared in the late 1980s. The Belle Vue Aces now race at the greyhound stadium.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2009 20:14:30 GMT
To add to Merse's points about the old Manchester race course I've posted a few pictures from Played in Manchester. The first two are past and present shots of the original entrance on Cromwell Road which now forms the entrance to student accommodation. Apparently there's a laundrette somewhere in the building: The 1902 and 1961 racecourse stands: The 1961 version was designed by an architect called Ernest Atherden and was one of the earliest cantilevered sporting stands in Britain. Its design encouraged Manchester United to hire Atherden to work on new structures at Old Trafford - later known as the United Road and Scoreboard End stands - as shown on the cover of the programme of the very first game I saw in Manchester: Our trip to Manchester was by coach leaving Torquay at around 11pm on the Friday night. We were there by 7am and I remember a few of us - including the future Rear Admiral Leaman - knocking on the doors of Maine Road at breakfast time asking to inspect the facilities. We were let in by a kindly cleaner who had fond memories of ex-City and Torquay player John Benson who - little did we know - would become a Manchester City manager of the 1980s. The outing - for followers of the two Manchester clubs and a few assorted travellers such as myself - was something of a forerunner of the Torbay Reds. I was reminded of this recently by a friend - who has no Torbay connections - telling me how he met one of the original protagionists in the airport lounge en route to the recent final in Rome. This friend, who has a broad enthusiasm for football (to put it mildly), made a point of saying how wonderful it was to see Torquay United back in the league. The Torbay Red apparently turned his nose up as if a foul smell had entered the room. Oh dear. It was ever thus. There's much of interest in that 1973 programme. It's all a bit folksy in its own way - almost like a football club to be honest - and seems to recall a less commercial era. Or does it? Whatever we think now, football was a business in those days just as it was long before we showed a concern for the game or were even born. In those days Manchester United would have appeared a very commercialised concern and there would have been plenty of complaints about football being awash with money. But, unlike today perhaps, there was little money to be made by anyone other than the players themselves. The owners, often small businessmen (of the kind who might have been found on the council of the British Man-Made Fibres Association), never quite brought their full commercial expertise to the table. Manchester United, from what I remember, were something of a shambles behind the scenes although - once World in Action got on their case - all was not how it seemed and one or two esteemed individuals were alleged to be profiting in a way which wasn't entirely above board. The Doc's notes certainly provide a few talking points for future reference :
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Post by merse on Jun 16, 2009 3:30:31 GMT
The 1902 and 1961 racecourse stands: I find it somewhat sad that in Manchester of all places some way could not have been found to incorporate modern facilities whilst retaining the historical Victorian facade of the old racecourse buildings in all their glory. That sad looking sixties monstrosity looks so sad and bereft beside the original bell towered edifice of the nineteenth century which had to be demolished however due to rampant dry rot; but what a crap looking and uninspired replacement they built! Nowhere else in Britain has the fusion of past and contemporary (Victorian terra cotta brick and modern day glass and steel) been more effectively put to use in bringing old buildings back to life than in the city of Manchester as any visitor these days will testify. I am a big fan of this sort of "municipal recycling" and am proud to be living right behind the historic Victorian Hornsey Road Baths and Wash House which has recently been refurbished so that those who live in the ultra modern and futuristic apartments behind have to pass through the lovely old Gatehouse with it's iconic sixties neon sign of the "Diving lady" featured on the Southerly aspect for all to see as they travel up the Hornsey Road from the Emirates Stadium.
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Post by jond on Jun 16, 2009 21:46:51 GMT
An early exit from the competition allowed time for a meal at the excellent Bay Horse near Rivington - pub, accommodation and a bowling green: www.thebayhorse.co.uk - a visit to the cricket ground at White Coppice and a drive around good old Blackburn and Darwen. In the churchyard at Heapey, the next village to White Coppice, are buried my grandparents. My grandfather grew up there and must have played cricket on the ground at White Coppice. He used to tell me that to get to away fixtures the whole team would set off in the morning on a horse and cart. As a youngster he helped out a number of local tradesmen including the undertaker and at the abbatoir. When working at the slaughterhouse he used to earn a few extra ha'pennies by selling golf balls he had removed from the stomachs of cattle from a field next to the golf course. It certainly is a beautiful area and I'll be dropping in there when we play at Accrington so long as the weather is better than for our last visit.
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Post by merse on Jun 17, 2009 3:10:03 GMT
When working at the slaughterhouse he used to earn a few extra ha'pennies by selling golf balls he had removed from the stomachs of cattle from a field next to the golf course. So does that mean the "Chocolate Flavoured Golf Balls" TB1 told me he'd found have been..................................no? ~ really!
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