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Post by merse on Mar 7, 2010 14:52:46 GMT
 petef: you're talking a lot of sense there and it is a point that so many miss when they get so critical of the policy of the club this season. You've hit the nail firmly on the head and my big worry is that as the re-established youth set up and thus production line of talent begins to come to the fore the "idiot factor" amongst the terrace pundits will be on the backs of young prospects and expecting instant perfection from appearance one. If you take the example of Arsenal who are far and away at the opposite end of the football spectrum when comparing clubs with ourselves, they opt to loan their young fringe players out on season long loans to clubs playing a level or two down from their exalted level to allow those players to settle into a nonetheless demanding level of professional football but not one in which they are going to incure the wrath of the impatient, ignorant or downright silly. They have players out on loan at other Premier clubs, Championship clubs, foreign clubs even, yet when we take on a youngster like the one from Swindon in pre-season and pack him off to learn the ropes at Weston Super Mare for a season that becomes a "panic signing" and another example of the manager not knowing what he is doing in some eyes. When we take on a clutch of fringe youngsters who haven't quite made it at higher levels, no-one can reasonably expect ALL of them to bear fruit as successfull signings and thus we have to be mindful of the gamble taken on players like Macklin, LRT, O'Kane to name but three. We are operating no differently than clubs like Cheltenham, Barnet and Macclesfield ~ that is our level due to our average attendance and gate potential. That is FACT, get used to it be patient and wait for the youth programme to establish itself (and that alone could well be a five or six year horizon) and for goodness sake keep off the youngsters' backs!
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Post by Enzo on Mar 7, 2010 15:09:34 GMT
There is evidently a long term plan at the club to develop young players rather than try and sign expensive ready made financially demanding established old pros. It has to be the way forward for a club like ours but remember we are also competing with another 90 odd clubs in trying to pick out a gem so players with raw ability like Mussy and LRT will become more of the norm and I am certain that both are learning fast from playing in the "big boys" league in proper competitive matches. Long gone are the days when you could attract a Tony Brown a Bruce Rioch or Tony Curry to finish their careers in the grazing pastures of South Devon. They are paid so well now they simply have no need to continue playing at a lower level. Pete If this season has proven anything, it is that there is no such plan at the club concerning recruitment. It has been shambolic as demonstrated by our need to juggle loan players. How does the signing of Mo Camara fit into this plan - if ever there were a financially demanding old pro then Mo is the one. If you are correct, then why are fans fed snippets about us just missing out on various established players who are blatently out of our league. In truth, we have very rarely been in the position to sign established pro's - at league level anyway. Leroy was lambasted for having a revolving door of loanees and trialists. Buckle has been exactly the same his season(as has been any Torquay manager), but now we view it as a coherent recruitment policy. It is all very inconsistent - as is a fan pleading for supporters not to be harsh on youngsters whilst feeling free to question the development of a player like Benyon. |
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Post by merse on Mar 7, 2010 15:36:24 GMT
Enzo, why don't you give it a rest or stick to posting your cynicism on another site where it will be swallowed hook line and sinker by the conspiracy theorists? Do YOU know what deal Camara is on? No. He could be on "pay as you play" for all you know. Every club of our size uses the loan system, in fact I'd go as far to say every club now uses the loan system in some way or another. Benyon is now in his THIRD season as pro' with us for goodness sake and you've never seen me post the sort of tripe you did regarding LRT about publically humiliating him. With the exception of Adam Smith, all the loan signings until Barnes have been potential targets as they face release from their clubs during either this season or at the end of it and if by having them here on loan gives us a head start in securing their services in the future then that can't be a bad move can it. In the case of Smith, he is almost certainly going out on a season long loan somewhere next season anyway and that could well be with us although I suspect somewhere more elevated will be the destination. Were any of the Rosenior loanees in that bracket? Can't seem to recall any can you?
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Post by chrish on Mar 7, 2010 16:50:16 GMT
petef: you're talking a lot of sense there and it is a point that so many miss when they get so critical of the policy of the club this season. You've hit the nail firmly on the head and my big worry is that as the re-established youth set up and thus production line of talent begins to come to the fore the "idiot factor" amongst the terrace pundits will be on the backs of young prospects and expecting instant perfection from appearance one. If you take the example of Arsenal who are far and away at the opposite end of the football spectrum when comparing clubs with ourselves, they opt to loan their young fringe players out on season long loans to clubs playing a level or two down from their exalted level to allow those players to settle into a nonetheless demanding level of professional football but not one in which they are going to incure the wrath of the impatient, ignorant or downright silly. They have players out on loan at other Premier clubs, Championship clubs, foreign clubs even, yet when we take on a youngster like the one from Swindon in pre-season and pack him off to learn the ropes at Weston Super Mare for a season that becomes a "panic signing" and another example of the manager not knowing what he is doing in some eyes. When we take on a clutch of fringe youngsters who haven't quite made it at higher levels, no-one can reasonably expect ALL of them to bear fruit as successfull signings and thus we have to be mindful of the gamble taken on players like Macklin, LRT, O'Kane to name but three. We are operating no differently than clubs like Cheltenham, Barnet and Macclesfield ~ that is our level due to our average attendance and gate potential. That is FACT, get used to it be patient and wait for the youth programme to establish itself (and that alone could well be a five or six year horizon) and for goodness sake keep off the youngsters' backs! Plus in the mean time we have to "gamble" on younger players schooled elsewhere until we can attract a number of them into our youth system. It is the only way forward in my opinion. Lets also not forget that sometimes players don't develop their potential and stay at the clubs they were trained by. There are 3 clubs in the Premier League who develop their own talent succesfully. Man Utd, Arsenal and West Ham have produced an enourmous amount of players who have played for the respective first teams or have found gainful employment elsewhere. I sense that these clubs will be joined by Tottenham Hotspur sooner rather than later as the Redknapp philosphy seems to get them out into the big bad world of lower league football rather than wrap them in cotton wool. |
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Post by Enzo on Mar 7, 2010 17:55:06 GMT
Enzo, why don't you give it a rest or stick to posting your cynicism on another site where it will be swallowed hook line and sinker by the conspiracy theorists? Do YOU know what deal Camara is on? No. He could be on "pay as you play" for all you know. Every club of our size uses the loan system, in fact I'd go as far to say every club now uses the loan system in some way or another. Benyon is now in his THIRD season as pro' with us for goodness sake and you've never seen me post the sort of tripe you did regarding LRT about publically humiliating him. I'll post where I like thanks. You know the score.....scroll on past if you can. Unfortunately, with an unhealthy dislike of my view along with your continual and embarrasing obsession with the other site you just can't do it. Get over it, before you go completely wibble. I don't know what deal Camara is on - Do you? Similarly, he could well be the highest paid player at the club. Either way, a poor signing in my opinion, in the circumstances. He will not be match fit until the end of the season. Is he one for next year?? Do you think our reliance on the loan system is healthy? Do most other clubs use it to this extent? No, quite simply they don't. With reference to coments about LRT and Benyon......you will no doubt state there is a world of difference between the two comments, but after the Hereford match you felt inclined to write: [glow=red,2,300]I've just seen the latest installation of the Elliott "Silly Billy" Benyon show ~ that appalling late miss at Hereford on Saturday on the Gullsworld highlights. Thoughts of Harry Redknapp and his "missus" come to mind...................I don't know about anyone else, but is one single player doing any more to drag us down at this moment through blind incompetence than Benyon? [/glow] All very constructive eh? Now don't get me wrong - Benners is not the complete player by any stretch. However, he is developing into a decent lower league player. He needs to go further, but he is getting there, obviously too slowly for your liking. Your comments were those of a frustrated football fan - they will do nothing for the lad's confidence the next time a chance like this comes up - but your frustrations came through - just as mine do with regard to LRT. Wait until you see him play and you may find yourself agreeing with me.............heaven forbid!!! When making the comments that you did about Elliott one feels that you gave scant regard to the fact that Paul Buckle is a far better judge of a player than yourself - seeing the lad in training, knowing his history and speaking with other coaches about his development. That is what fans do! Hi Enzo, just sorted out the quote for you, Dave |
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Post by chrish on Mar 7, 2010 21:43:30 GMT
Enzo, why don't you give it a rest or stick to posting your cynicism on another site where it will be swallowed hook line and sinker by the conspiracy theorists? Do YOU know what deal Camara is on? No. He could be on "pay as you play" for all you know. Every club of our size uses the loan system, in fact I'd go as far to say every club now uses the loan system in some way or another. Benyon is now in his THIRD season as pro' with us for goodness sake and you've never seen me post the sort of tripe you did regarding LRT about publically humiliating him. I'll post where I like thanks. You know the score.....scroll on past if you can. Unfortunately, with an unhealthy dislike of my view along with your continual and embarrasing obsession with the other site you just can't do it. Get over it, before you go completely wibble. I don't know what deal Camara is on - Do you? Similarly, he could well be the highest paid player at the club. Either way, a poor signing in my opinion, in the circumstances. He will not be match fit until the end of the season. Is he one for next year?? Do you think our reliance on the loan system is healthy? Do most other clubs use it to this extent? No, quite simply they don't. With reference to coments about LRT and Benyon......you will no doubt state there is a world of difference between the two comments, but after the Hereford match you felt inclined to write: [glow=red,2,300]I've just seen the latest installation of the Elliott "Silly Billy" Benyon show ~ that appalling late miss at Hereford on Saturday on the Gullsworld highlights. Thoughts of Harry Redknapp and his "missus" come to mind...................I don't know about anyone else, but is one single player doing any more to drag us down at this moment through blind incompetence than Benyon? [/glow] All very constructive eh? Now don't get me wrong - Benners is not the complete player by any stretch. However, he is developing into a decent lower league player. He needs to go further, but he is getting there, obviously too slowly for your liking. Your comments were those of a frustrated football fan - they will do nothing for the lad's confidence the next time a chance like this comes up - but your frustrations came through - just as mine do with regard to LRT. Wait until you see him play and you may find yourself agreeing with me.............heaven forbid!!! When making the comments that you did about Elliott one feels that you gave scant regard to the fact that Paul Buckle is a far better judge of a player than yourself - seeing the lad in training, knowing his history and speaking with other coaches about his development. That is what fans do! Hi Enzo, just sorted out the quote for you, DaveElliot Benyon has been with us for 2 and a half years and LRT has been here for barely 2 months and played in 3 or 4 games. It's one thing to be frustrated watching a player over a long period of time still not figure out the offside rule but quite another to write off a young player so early into his professional career. I personally thought Paul Trollope was awful when he first came here on loan from Swindon. When they switched him to centre midfield and he scored a lovely goal against Halifax he was transformed and we sold him for a decent amount of money. If developing our own players or tapping up Higher League academy rejects is going to be our chosen route then we are going to have to change our mentality in what we expect otherwise people with your mindset will help finish young pro's careers before they've even started. It's getting indicative of "the paint by numbers/dumb everything down/everything laid on a plate for you/get the arse when it's not" world we live in. Maybe Apple will come up with an iPhone "App" to help you.  "Apps" for this, "Apps" for that. Just what are these simpletons going to do when the "Apps" go wrong? Lemmings over a cliff I tell you. "Apps" indeed. |
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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Mar 7, 2010 22:22:32 GMT
I always consider the "Paul Trollope Factor" when judging players. Whilst I consider that from the matches I have seen LRT play in, he will probably not make it into the Plainmoor Hall of Fame - but I certainly wouldn't give any critisism that would impact on his performances.
He is in a team that has started to accrue points which surely must be doing him good - that has to be a positive thing and who knows at what levels he might be performing at in 6 months?
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Post by Enzo on Mar 8, 2010 0:06:49 GMT
I'll post where I like thanks. You know the score.....scroll on past if you can. Unfortunately, with an unhealthy dislike of my view along with your continual and embarrasing obsession with the other site you just can't do it. Get over it, before you go completely wibble. I don't know what deal Camara is on - Do you? Similarly, he could well be the highest paid player at the club. Either way, a poor signing in my opinion, in the circumstances. He will not be match fit until the end of the season. Is he one for next year?? Do you think our reliance on the loan system is healthy? Do most other clubs use it to this extent? No, quite simply they don't. With reference to coments about LRT and Benyon......you will no doubt state there is a world of difference between the two comments, but after the Hereford match you felt inclined to write: [glow=red,2,300]I've just seen the latest installation of the Elliott "Silly Billy" Benyon show ~ that appalling late miss at Hereford on Saturday on the Gullsworld highlights. Thoughts of Harry Redknapp and his "missus" come to mind...................I don't know about anyone else, but is one single player doing any more to drag us down at this moment through blind incompetence than Benyon? [/glow] All very constructive eh? Now don't get me wrong - Benners is not the complete player by any stretch. However, he is developing into a decent lower league player. He needs to go further, but he is getting there, obviously too slowly for your liking. Your comments were those of a frustrated football fan - they will do nothing for the lad's confidence the next time a chance like this comes up - but your frustrations came through - just as mine do with regard to LRT. Wait until you see him play and you may find yourself agreeing with me.............heaven forbid!!! When making the comments that you did about Elliott one feels that you gave scant regard to the fact that Paul Buckle is a far better judge of a player than yourself - seeing the lad in training, knowing his history and speaking with other coaches about his development. That is what fans do! Hi Enzo, just sorted out the quote for you, DaveElliot Benyon has been with us for 2 and a half years and LRT has been here for barely 2 months and played in 3 or 4 games. It's one thing to be frustrated watching a player over a long period of time still not figure out the offside rule but quite another to write off a young player so early into his professional career. I personally thought Paul Trollope was awful when he first came here on loan from Swindon. When they switched him to centre midfield and he scored a lovely goal against Halifax he was transformed and we sold him for a decent amount of money. If developing our own players or tapping up Higher League academy rejects is going to be our chosen route then we are going to have to change our mentality in what we expect otherwise people with your mindset will help finish young pro's careers before they've even started. It's getting indicative of "the paint by numbers/dumb everything down/everything laid on a plate for you/get the arse when it's not" world we live in. Maybe Apple will come up with an iPhone "App" to help you. "Apps" for this, "Apps" for that. Just what are these simpletons going to do when the "Apps" go wrong? Lemmings over a cliff I tell you. "Apps" indeed. I don't disagree with you, although, mentality may not need to change as, as far as I can recall, TUFC have always been a club that has needed to produce our own talent or tap into higher league academy rejects. I also remember Trollope the left back...........and for that matter Saunders the midfield player. Nothing has changed here - only the appropriateness of the player and situation is in question. I have not written off LRT - I have just highlighted that he has been a liabilty in the games that he has played - maybe all those years ago, you were highlighting how "awful" you felt Trollope was...........and you were right - As a full back Paul Trollope was terrible. I don't critisise LRT whilst he is on the pitch, but when writing a match report think it is fair enough to say how I see things. I highlighted comments about Benyon to show certain inconsistancies. Fair enough to point to the fact that Elliot has been here for over two years and still has a way to- I personally think that he has shown considerable development during this period. Buckle and Elliot should take credit for that. Isn't that exactly the mindset you are calling for from fans? Sorry, I don't really understand your point about my mindset being indicative of "the paint by numbers/dumb everything down/everything laid on a plate for you/get the arse when it's not" world we live in.............or if I do understand it, it seems to be pretentious shite. Sorry, either way! |
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Post by Rob on Mar 8, 2010 0:41:43 GMT
My take is that is probably a reference to impatience and required instant gratification increasingly becoming default positions. Nothing pretentious in that. Just an opinion.
I've only seen him at Cheltenham to date. That may have been his debut, I'm not sure. He was ok for an hour, but went to pieces after a stray sliced pass into touch early in the second half. He's a confidence player. I know from previous posts that Chris gets as frustrated as the next man at "fans" berating players during games. Clearly you don't do that, but we all know some do. I wouldn't mind betting some of them are fuelled by things they read from what they perceive as "like minded" fans, as well.
Not that I'm preaching censure, as that just isn't my bag. I really like Smith and want him to be used, but there just is no way around the fact that LRT has not been on a losing TUFC side, so there is something right with the balance at the moment compared to how it has been.
I've also been fairly critical of Robertson at right back in the past, but am buttoning it for the time being as recent reports seem pretty encouraging. Credit where it's due. Barnes - another much maligned, rightly or wrongly, in recent weeks and ineffectual at Cheltenham in my opinion - has been subbed enough for us to go with Rendell to start next time. Other than that, I can't see Paul Buckle shaking things up too much at the moment. Nor would many other managers in his position, I reckon. All about opinions as they say. Merse has some decent ones and so do you, in mine.
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Post by chrish on Mar 8, 2010 11:40:13 GMT
Elliot Benyon has been with us for 2 and a half years and LRT has been here for barely 2 months and played in 3 or 4 games. It's one thing to be frustrated watching a player over a long period of time still not figure out the offside rule but quite another to write off a young player so early into his professional career. I personally thought Paul Trollope was awful when he first came here on loan from Swindon. When they switched him to centre midfield and he scored a lovely goal against Halifax he was transformed and we sold him for a decent amount of money. If developing our own players or tapping up Higher League academy rejects is going to be our chosen route then we are going to have to change our mentality in what we expect otherwise people with your mindset will help finish young pro's careers before they've even started. It's getting indicative of "the paint by numbers/dumb everything down/everything laid on a plate for you/get the arse when it's not" world we live in. Maybe Apple will come up with an iPhone "App" to help you. "Apps" for this, "Apps" for that. Just what are these simpletons going to do when the "Apps" go wrong? Lemmings over a cliff I tell you. "Apps" indeed. I don't disagree with you, although, mentality may not need to change as, as far as I can recall, TUFC have always been a club that has needed to produce our own talent or tap into higher league academy rejects. I also remember Trollope the left back...........and for that matter Saunders the midfield player. Nothing has changed here - only the appropriateness of the player and situation is in question. I have not written off LRT - I have just highlighted that he has been a liabilty in the games that he has played - maybe all those years ago, you were highlighting how "awful" you felt Trollope was...........and you were right - As a full back Paul Trollope was terrible. I don't critisise LRT whilst he is on the pitch, but when writing a match report think it is fair enough to say how I see things. I highlighted comments about Benyon to show certain inconsistancies. Fair enough to point to the fact that Elliot has been here for over two years and still has a way to- I personally think that he has shown considerable development during this period. Buckle and Elliot should take credit for that. Isn't that exactly the mindset you are calling for from fans? Sorry, I don't really understand your point about my mindset being indicative of "the paint by numbers/dumb everything down/everything laid on a plate for you/get the arse when it's not" world we live in.............or if I do understand it, it seems to be pretentious shite. Sorry, either way! Haha! That's quite ok. I'm not particulary prententious. The last time I was called prententious was by my late father after I made a Quiche for lunch! I actually disagree with you that we don't have to change our mindset. I think we (i.e Torquay supporters) used to be very patient when it comes to the way we supported our young players, but I'm not sure if it's the case anymore. The iPhone app quip is just a wee dig about our lives becoming a case of everything being laid on a plate for us rather than the onus being on us having to make the effort to find it out for ourselves. Rob understood what I was getting at. We've had numerous threads recently on the way we show our support (or not) and a lot of the behaviour I've seen and heard directed towards our players or indeed our manager in my opinion leaves a lot to be desired. Whether it's the lack of any support of Rendell at Chesterfield or Carlisle getting abused by his own fans at home or "protest against the manager" by openly supporting departed senior players, it's just not good enough in my book. I've never agreed with this "I've paid the entrance fee so I can say or shout what I like" bollocks. To my mind that's like paying to watch Avatar at the cinema and then vocally deriding it as high tech Smurfs riding bloody great pigeons. As for Benyon. Has he really developed as much as we would've liked? I think he's made some progress as regards to his physique and strength but I'm not sure that he's really improved in his off the ball movement, staying onside or playing a decent link pass now and again. He's nippy, honest and has a certain impact off the bench but not enough to start every game but I'm not going to stir things up on here, as its my opinion only. Having opinions is great but trying to turn other people into believing them just isn't cricket. |
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Post by Enzo on Mar 8, 2010 11:47:34 GMT
My take is that is probably a reference to impatience and required instant gratification increasingly becoming default positions. Nothing pretentious in that. Just an opinion. I've only seen him at Cheltenham to date. That may have been his debut, I'm not sure. He was ok for an hour, but went to pieces after a stray sliced pass into touch early in the second half. He's a confidence player. I know from previous posts that Chris gets as frustrated as the next man at "fans" berating players during games. Clearly you don't do that, but we all know some do. I wouldn't mind betting some of them are fuelled by things they read from what they perceive as "like minded" fans, as well. Not that I'm preaching censure, as that just isn't my bag. I really like Smith and want him to be used, but there just is no way around the fact that LRT has not been on a losing TUFC side, so there is something right with the balance at the moment compared to how it has been. I've also been fairly critical of Robertson at right back in the past, but am buttoning it for the time being as recent reports seem pretty encouraging. Credit where it's due. Barnes - another much maligned, rightly or wrongly, in recent weeks and ineffectual at Cheltenham in my opinion - has been subbed enough for us to go with Rendell to start next time. Other than that, I can't see Paul Buckle shaking things up too much at the moment. Nor would many other managers in his position, I reckon. All about opinions as they say. Merse has some decent ones and so do you, in mine. After 28 years of watching the Gulls, I think anyone who goes to Palinmoor expecting instant gratification is sadly misguided! I think the attitude I have shown to the development of Benyon displays the patience that one must have when supporting a lower league club. Of course, the vital issue you touch upon is the tally of points from recent games. I have seen most of these games and crazily, whilst looking devoid of any qulaity and tactics and appearing to carry two or three players, we have stumbled across some results. In our current position, and at this stage of the season this is the be all and end all. |
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Post by Rob on Mar 8, 2010 12:48:04 GMT
My take is that is probably a reference to impatience and required instant gratification increasingly becoming default positions. Nothing pretentious in that. Just an opinion. I've only seen him at Cheltenham to date. That may have been his debut, I'm not sure. He was ok for an hour, but went to pieces after a stray sliced pass into touch early in the second half. He's a confidence player. I know from previous posts that Chris gets as frustrated as the next man at "fans" berating players during games. Clearly you don't do that, but we all know some do. I wouldn't mind betting some of them are fuelled by things they read from what they perceive as "like minded" fans, as well. Not that I'm preaching censure, as that just isn't my bag. I really like Smith and want him to be used, but there just is no way around the fact that LRT has not been on a losing TUFC side, so there is something right with the balance at the moment compared to how it has been. I've also been fairly critical of Robertson at right back in the past, but am buttoning it for the time being as recent reports seem pretty encouraging. Credit where it's due. Barnes - another much maligned, rightly or wrongly, in recent weeks and ineffectual at Cheltenham in my opinion - has been subbed enough for us to go with Rendell to start next time. Other than that, I can't see Paul Buckle shaking things up too much at the moment. Nor would many other managers in his position, I reckon. All about opinions as they say. Merse has some decent ones and so do you, in mine. After 28 years of watching the Gulls, I think anyone who goes to Palinmoor expecting instant gratification is sadly misguided! I think the attitude I have shown to the development of Benyon displays the patience that one must have when supporting a lower league club. Of course, the vital issue you touch upon is the tally of points from recent games. In our current position, and at this stage of the season this is the be all and end all. Yep. All agreed. |
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Post by chrish on Mar 8, 2010 13:06:43 GMT
My take is that is probably a reference to impatience and required instant gratification increasingly becoming default positions. Nothing pretentious in that. Just an opinion. I've only seen him at Cheltenham to date. That may have been his debut, I'm not sure. He was ok for an hour, but went to pieces after a stray sliced pass into touch early in the second half. He's a confidence player. I know from previous posts that Chris gets as frustrated as the next man at "fans" berating players during games. Clearly you don't do that, but we all know some do. I wouldn't mind betting some of them are fuelled by things they read from what they perceive as "like minded" fans, as well. Not that I'm preaching censure, as that just isn't my bag. I really like Smith and want him to be used, but there just is no way around the fact that LRT has not been on a losing TUFC side, so there is something right with the balance at the moment compared to how it has been. I've also been fairly critical of Robertson at right back in the past, but am buttoning it for the time being as recent reports seem pretty encouraging. Credit where it's due. Barnes - another much maligned, rightly or wrongly, in recent weeks and ineffectual at Cheltenham in my opinion - has been subbed enough for us to go with Rendell to start next time. Other than that, I can't see Paul Buckle shaking things up too much at the moment. Nor would many other managers in his position, I reckon. All about opinions as they say. Merse has some decent ones and so do you, in mine. After 28 years of watching the Gulls, I think anyone who goes to Palinmoor expecting instant gratification is sadly misguided! I think the attitude I have shown to the development of Benyon displays the patience that one must have when supporting a lower league club. Of course, the vital issue you touch upon is the tally of points from recent games. I have seen most of these games and crazily, whilst looking devoid of any qulaity and tactics and appearing to carry two or three players, we have stumbled across some results. In our current position, and at this stage of the season this is the be all and end all. Cool. Make sure you give LRT the same amount as patience that you've given Elliot Benyon! |
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Post by miac on Mar 8, 2010 14:27:44 GMT
Enzo - think you are wasting your time. As one person who is sat in his ivory tower and hardly ever watches the team, he is clearly in a far better position to judge the abilities of players than the likes of you and me who regularly go to matches.
You make some good points, one of the reason's that our season has been such a disaster is because of the shambolic transfer policy we have had. Wheher it was Ben Joyce, Danny Mills, or more latterly Macklin, Camara or RT the notion we our fed by a certain person that the manager "thoroughly researches" his signings is laughable.
Macklin was a panic signing, no doubt about it.
As for Camara - well a certain persons response to his signing was to tell us that "this was a signing that really excites me".
Funny that us lesser mortals were expressing doubt that a 35 year old who had not played a match for god knows how long would be as much use to us as a chocolate fireguard.
But of course he may now apparently be on a "pay as you play" contract. What garbage that is.
Hardly likely that a player is going to relocate from Scotland - particularly as return flights to his home to his base in the north of england were apparently a condition of his signature.
And of course you are spot on the money with your Benyon comments.
He is the one player that has probably been "developed" the most by the manager yet the usual supect whilst trumpeting this policy on one hand shoots himself in the foot with his ridiculous "Silly billy" Benyon comments in the next breath.
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Post by merse on Mar 8, 2010 16:51:08 GMT
As one person who is sat in his ivory tower and hardly ever watches the team, he is clearly in a far better position to judge the abilities of players than the likes of you and me who regularly go to matches. You make some good points, one of the reason's that our season has been such a disaster is because of the shambolic transfer policy we have had. Wheher it was Ben Joyce, Danny Mills, or more latterly Macklin, Camara or RT the notion we our fed by a certain person that the manager "thoroughly researches" his signings is laughable. : So you readily join the gang of attention deffiicient types who cannot read a post for what is written in it. Who judge a post by the source from which it comes rather than it's content. Am I judging the ability of players whom I have not seen? If you believe that quote me and prove it. Has our season "been a disaster"? It's not over yet, do you know where we are going to end up? Is the manager as incompetent as you infer? Perhaps you should be addressing your assertions to the board who appointed him, who continue to employ him and who readily back him. Since you "appeared" on this site, your constant theme has been the mismanagement of Paul Buckle and like your fellow "Antis" you hide behind a ridiculous posting name betraying the cowardly nature of your attitude towards the manager. Did you stand up at the opportunity given to you when the manager held a public forum and state your assertions? You claim to know an awful lot about the contractual obligations of the club towards a particular player....................is that because you were party to drawing up that contract? Is it because you represent that player? Or is it something you heard on the Travel Club coach or in The Gulls Nest? |
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"Apps" for this, "Apps" for that. Just what are these simpletons going to do when the "Apps" go wrong? Lemmings over a cliff I tell you. "Apps" indeed.