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Post by liamscfc on May 23, 2010 16:51:11 GMT
As many of you will know, during the week the Conference announced they would be denying us entry to their league next season, meaning we will get demoted 2 leagues which virtually distroys our current squad. This rule is UNFAIR! We deserve to be in the Conference, we've fought our 10 point deduction and the owners have done everything in their control to keep us going. We have even installed floodlights to meet ground grading requirements...all debts are paid, apart from one, the one to the taxman - we've made a deal which has been accepted but the Conference say we can't because we're not paying 100%! THIS IS RIDICULOUS! They're killing us...especially as the saved club will be Forest Green Rovers, whos chairman also chairs the Conference board! All I ask of the members on here is to help us out as fans...we've had a cracking time in this league so please support our appeal by joining our petition. Lets leave rivalries aside here and let football come out the winner. The only way this can happen is for word to be spread and you to join our petition. It can be found here: www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/group.php?gid=128570467155691&v=wall&ref=ts Thanks, Your support will be much appreciated! |
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Post by merse on May 23, 2010 21:03:06 GMT
...all debts are paid, apart from one, the one to the taxman - we've made a deal which has been accepted but the Conference say we can't because we're not paying 100%! THIS IS RIDICULOUS!  But is this "ridiculous"?Pardon me if I am wrong but did your club not charge the public that money when we paid to come into your ground on behalf of the Inland Revenue who are of course "owned" by the public? Instead of duly handing that money over to the Revenue, did your club not use it to run their affairs? I always thought trousering public funds was theft, so therefore the VAT I was charged as part of my entrance fee to your not very good ground on two occasions, was in fact then mis-appropriated or in plain English it was stolen! ~
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Post by hector on May 23, 2010 21:10:26 GMT
I wish Salisbury well. I always liked them, thought they did well and none of this is there fans fault and if they are sorted with the taxman, the Conference should be satisfied with that. The Conference though is a farce. the way it was run even when we were in it smacked of the South Devon League. Nothing has changed.
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Post by liamscfc on May 23, 2010 21:10:20 GMT
I'm not saying we didn't, but why do we get the same punishment as teams who have gone into liquidation but we've had a 10 point penalty and had to pay the debt. We've got a new board now who have sorted things out and are now doing things properly.
Demoting us isn't right!
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Post by merse on May 23, 2010 21:22:39 GMT
I am sympathetic towards debt to banks etc and am in that same situation myself and having to take steps to deal with that problem. But football administration is quite correct in taking to steps to ensure that the money paid over by it's supporters is not mis-appropriated, or if it is they are quite correct in inflicting punishment to fit the crime. The people who have paid good money to support your club or their own club in your ground are entitled to expect that the proportion of that charged on behalf of the Revenue is handed over and not pocketed.
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Post by stefano on May 23, 2010 21:51:31 GMT
The Conference though is a farce. the way it was run even when we were in it smacked of the South Devon League. Nothing has changed. Bit harsh Hector. The South Devon League has been a very well run league for many years. Given that the league is run by people on a part time basis as they have other jobs and that the chairmen, hard worked club secretaries, managers, and players of the clubs involved are also in the same position with jobs to go to but putting everything into their football when they get the chance, it is amazing that a league with so many clubs operates as efficiently as it does. It's always easy to knock, but not so easy to get up and do it in your 'spare' time when there are other demands on your time. |
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Post by Dave on May 23, 2010 22:13:40 GMT
I agree Hector that you remarks about the South Devon League are harsh, maybe you would like to come and spend a week at my house and see for yourself all the hours people like my son put into making the South Devon League run smoothly.
Apart from mountains of paper work, constant phone calls to deal with there are all the meetings he has to attend, disciplinary hearings, presentations and also attending matches when he is not playing as a league official to ensure the clubs are playing by the rules.
All this time given for free so others can enjoy playing a game he still loves to play and by the way, the South Devon League is a very well run one and long may that continue.
As this thread has nothing to do with TUFC, I will move it into other football and sports room.
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Post by Rags on May 24, 2010 6:51:00 GMT
I'm not saying we didn't, but why do we get the same punishment as teams who have gone into liquidation but we've had a 10 point penalty and had to pay the debt. We've got a new board now who have sorted things out and are now doing things properly. Demoting us isn't right! It is a valid point, but the Conference are only doing things as they are instructed to by the FA, and these are clear rules that Salsibury City would have known about when they went into administration on 3rd September. And if you feel that rule is unfair, why have you waited this long to campaign against it? Having a new Board means Jack Stuff to the FA as Luton Town found out when they were deducted 30 points: part of them were for financial irregularities by the previous owner and part of them were for notifying the FA though the FA's "Whistleblower" channels of the financial irregularities by the previous owner. Life's not fair, but it seems even more unfair when its administered by the FA. Having said that, and correct me if I am wrong, the CVA doesn't mean that Salisbury have paid all of their creditors all of their debt, just an agreed percentage. That, in turn, doesn't mean that the creditors were happy with the offer just that they felt that it was the only chance of getting any money at all. I have every sympathy with Salisbury City and don't want to see them relegated for non-footballing matters, but there has to be some control of clubs who are "living beyond their means" and relegation/demotion seems to be a reasonable penalty for the clubs who treat their creditors with so little respect. That also runs as far as their competitors. I can't remember who, but there was a Premiership manager who pointed out that when his team played Portsmouth, Pompey were playing a fair few players who he had been interested in signing but couldn't afford to buy. He felt that they had a better team than his but, as it turned out, they couldn't afford that team any more than he could. There has to be an unfair advantage of some description to any club that signs players they can't afford. The points-deduction penalty doesn't appear to be an effective deterrent though, so maybe the FA should insist that clubs going into administration should only receive 20% of any points that are won in synch with the amount of debt that the average CVA will pay off, ie 5 draws gets you one point. Talking of which, time's running out for Stockport County: if the 2015 Group don't take over soon, County will be out of the League due to the length of time they've been in administration. |
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