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Post by Dave on Aug 25, 2008 21:09:15 GMT
bitemebryn I can understand how you feel Buckles wife(if it was) shouting back at fans, does not look good or even professional for the club, but at the end of the day she loves him, feels his pain and it must hurt her so much, to see abuse being thrown at her husband. No excuse, but I can understand her reaction.
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Post by chrish on Aug 25, 2008 21:16:09 GMT
It may be difficult to find somewhere in the ground to stand where Buckle is not being abused...suggest you try the family stand - but don't for gawds sake try the enclosure or grandstand! Perhaps its time to frequent the away end then? |
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Post by tufc01 on Aug 26, 2008 0:13:32 GMT
Yes, call yourselves fans  I watched todays game from the 'pop' side. Having spent the last 2 seasons as a season ticket holder with a seat in the family grandstand i decided that this season i wanted to stand to watch the game and be close to where the 'atmosphere' is, just like it is at an away game. Initially the 'fans' around me got behind the team. There was a fair amount of singing etc, the team was playing well, it all looked to be getting back on track. Then against the run of play Salisbury nicked a thoroughly undeserved winner. The mood changed quick as a flash. These so called fans went apoplectic, hurling abuse at PB and calling for him to be sacked. It appears to me that there are two groups of teenagers who are making these dissenting noises. I witnessed the 'leader' of one group come over to the boys (thats all they are really, 16/17 years old, without wishing to be to patronising) behind where i was stood and say that they should start a "we want Buckle out" chant as soon as the final whistle went. Sure enough as the whistle went they started and obviously they would have been heard by PB, the players and others around the ground. I did not want to be associated with this so i moved away as did several others, and its then you realise that there is actually only a small minority making these chants. There was also a lot of other fans telling these imbeciles to shut the **** up. I actually felt there were more people telling these boys to shut it than there were making these chants. Because the MAJORITY don't shout "We want Buckle to stay" it must have been perceived that most want him out. It appears to me that most of those calling for his head are pre pubescent. I am going to be patronising now, but these kids don't know shit about our history and very little more about football in general, they have been going for 10 minutes, and whilst they are entitled to their opinion, i would be very disappointed if anybody was influenced into making a decision based on what is perceived to be the fans 'view', when it clearly is not, not at the moment anyway. For 89 minutes most people were happy. We dominated a game, we looked strong, passionate, committed and in control, it looked like we were getting back to how we played at the beginning of last season. But for some poor finishing we would have won the game comfortably. But as we all know when you are down, something else comes along and stamps all over you, isn't that when the purists say, "thats the beauty of football"? My point is, lets put this nonsense behind us for the moment (12 games, if you must put a marker in the sand) get off PB's back. It wasn't his fault today. I dont believe there was anything more he could have done today. He picked a good team, in hindsight the best team available (which pains me to say that about any team with Woods in it). They played in the best positions possible and he made the substitutions at the right time. If its still 0-0 after 60-70 minutes and you want to win the game, you have to make changes. He was let down by some poor finishing. If we get behind the team like we did in the first half and they play like they did in the first half, then its only a matter of time. I for one left the game much happier than i went into to it. Work in progress yes, but at least there is progress. |
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Post by chrish on Aug 26, 2008 7:45:07 GMT
Good post TUFC01.
Post it on dot.net as well!
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Post by jack on Aug 26, 2008 9:02:02 GMT
Didn't hear much booiing at the end - it was more a sense of resignation I am afraid. Yes a much improved performance but "unlucky" we most certainly were not.
Salisbury were awful and Buckles ridiculous substitution of Carayol lost us the game, when it was blindingly obvious that our worst player Carlisle should have come off.
There were gasps of disbelief around the dug out when the change was made.
I am afraid we just did not create enough to justufy winning the game.
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Post by crooky on Aug 26, 2008 9:47:53 GMT
Excellent post tufc1. I think most, and especially the mature fans would agree with and understand all the points you have made. I am more than pleased for Buckle to continue as long as we can see some sort of progression. The most important thing at present is that he still seems to have the support of his players, who although lacking in confidence are willing to fight and chase for every ball. I assume what us fans don't see is just how hard Buckle is working behind the scenes to rectify this situation. I wouldnt mind betting his poor wife barely sees him nowadays and when she does he is most probably utterly stressed out. Having said all that football is a results game and if results, which are now also set to severely effect financing due to loss of crowd numbers, don't improve rapidly, then I feel I WONDERFUL board will have no option but to allow the axe to fall.
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Post by jack on Aug 26, 2008 10:50:53 GMT
Crooky - whether Buckles wife sees him or not is really neither here nor there. I bet Tisdales wife sees him even less as he lives away from the area but has a flat in Exeter.
In our situatiuon (and indeed Buckles) progression means an improvement in results, really nothing else matters.
We could be as woeful as we were against Woking but if we had played poorly against Ebbsflleet,Crawley and Salisbury and won Buckles position would be alot safer than it is now.
As supporters the minimium we should expect was the supporters was the kind of effort applied in the first half of yesterdays match.
I think that the result yesterday was even more damaging given that we should have won.
It is going to be vey hard to repeat that against a better side in York in front of what will be an awfuly small crowd.
To me this is crisis point for Buckle and if we get beat ion Thursday I feel he has nowhere to hide.
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Post by crooky on Aug 26, 2008 12:29:35 GMT
Jack. My reference to Buckles wife is regarding that she may have been involved in a confrontation with supporters. Yes, the minimum you should expect as a supporter is the kind of effort applied in yeterdays first half. The point I was making was that once the MANAGER loses the respect of his players then he really has got nowhere else to go.
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Post by merse on Aug 26, 2008 17:33:21 GMT
Buckles ridiculous substitution of Carayol lost us the game, when it was blindingly obvious that our worst player Carlisle should have come off.  When will people realise that substitutions are not made after some sort of "beauty contest" to ascertain who's playing the best from one to eleven? Buckle has already explained that fatigue was the factor in Caryol's case, what with all the extra running he had to put in on Saturday thanks to Thompson's sending off and having another game within 48 hours and then a further one on Thursday to consider. Often matters of balance or a wish to stretch or close the game are the determining factor. I bet none of the "gaspers" around the technical area had one iota of how Caryol was feeling within himself! |
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Post by jerry on Aug 26, 2008 19:23:06 GMT
Buckles ridiculous substitution of Carayol lost us the game, when it was blindingly obvious that our worst player Carlisle should have come off. When will people realise that substitutions are not made after some sort of "beauty contest" to ascertain who's playing the best from one to eleven? Buckle has already explained that fatigue was the factor in Caryol's case, what with all the extra running he had to put in on Saturday thanks to Thompson's sending off and having another game within 48 hours and then a further one on Thursday to consider. Often matters of balance or a wish to stretch or close the game are the determining factor. I bet none of the "gaspers" around the technical area had one iota of how Caryol was feeling within himself! Sorry Merse but that struck me as just an excuse from Buckle after all the criticism the substitution received. Surely Carlisle would have been more tired than Carayol as he had to cover 2 positions against Crawley because the sending off was on his side of the pitch. He ended up trying to play right back and right midfield all by himself! |
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Post by capitalgull on Aug 26, 2008 19:29:21 GMT
Since you weren't there Merse, I would suggest Carayol's shoulders slumped, why me appearance suggests he wasn't expecting to come off through exhaustion.
The only exhaustion in the crowd was that of patience from those querying the move.
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Post by tufc01 on Aug 26, 2008 20:22:43 GMT
Good post TUFC01. [glow=yellow,2,300]Post it on dot.net as well[/glow]! I would if i had an account on dot.net. Feel free to stick it on there though. |
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Post by andygulls on Aug 26, 2008 20:54:30 GMT
Since you weren't there Merse, I would suggest Carayol's shoulders slumped, why me appearance suggests he wasn't expecting to come off through exhaustion. The only exhaustion in the crowd was that of patience from those querying the move. Have to agree with that. He didn't look like he wanted to come off, but then when you know that you have the right back in your pocket as a winger then you are hardly likely to want to leave the field of play. However Merse would probably tell us that the player is not always the best judge of what is good for him and indeed the future performance of the team, particularly with an eye to Thursday. Carayol does work hard as he tracks back rather more than I thought he might. But I have no doubt that that substitution rather than give us an initiative probably took the edge away from our play on Monday and with it the chance for a positive result. |
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Post by tufc01 on Aug 26, 2008 20:58:23 GMT
Didn't hear much booiing at the end - it was more a sense of resignation I am afraid. Yes a much improved performance but &[glow=yellow,2,300]quot;unlucky" we most certainly were not.[/glow]Salisbury were awful and [glow=yellow,2,300]Buckles ridiculous substitution of Carayol lost us the game[/glow], when it was blindingly obvious that our worst player Carlisle should have come off. There were gasps of disbelief around the dug out when the change was made. I am afraid we just did not create enough to justufy winning the game. You are not so much a glass half empty person, more a glass completely empty. I would have to say we were VERY unlucky. We took the game to them and but for some poor finishing we would have won quite comfortably. For some people at the moment NOTHING is good enough, some have already made up their minds and no matter what happens they will want PB to go. In fact, i get the impression that some are actually hoping for more failure to make sure it happens. That sort of attitude does not serve the football club very well at all. I come from a military background and where it is instilled that when things get tough you all need to close ranks, pull together and rally the troops. So how about a bit of that. On the second point, the substitution was not ridiculous and most certainly did not cost us the game. As i said before, poor finishing cost us the game (and the almost laughable collision between Carlisle & Green summed that up). If you have ever managed a club at any level, you will know that as the home side you are going to go for the win. The first 11 get their chance from the start. If nothing has happened in the first hour then chances are that they are not going to pull it off and therefore changes are inevitable. After all you are trying to WIN the game not play out a stalemate. Once the decision is made to make a substitution, the next thing is to decide who. Because of the way the game was panning out at the time, it had to be either Carayol or Carlisle. Both were equally effective/non-effective in the second half. I feel that Carayol is a bit of a one trick pony, once the defence get the hang of him he has tended to drift out of the game, as was the case on Monday. On the flip side Carlisle was also pretty ineffective in the second half as well. Therefor it must come down to who is more likely to deliver in the final 20 minutes and on that count Carlisle will win every time for me. The ironic thing was that there were a few people grumbling about Stevens not being in the starting 11, yet when he came on he must have thought we were playing away from home as he passed to a white shirt more than a yellow one, thats when he wasn't falling over the ball. So if you want someone to blame then Blame Stevens, for failing to deliver. Buckle can take some of the blame for putting Stevens on, but you would expect the player to step up to the task, after all the starting 11 stepped up to the plate for the first time this season. The other thing i find quite amusing is that last season one of the biggest complaints aimed at Buckle was his lack of substitutions, his Plan B or C etc. Now when he tries to changes things around he gets lambasted again. See my previous comment above. |
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Post by capitalgull on Aug 26, 2008 21:09:01 GMT
It's not just the cutting edge we lost it was the shape of the team which had been so much better on Monday.
As well as tracking back much much better than Stevens ever will, Carayol does not always cut inside straight away. If ever there was a one-trick pony it's Stevens - you can tell what he is going to do as soon as he gets the ball these days; whether it's Buckle's instructions or a complete lack of confidence, possibly brought from playing on the wrong side of the pitch in the first place, only he could tell.
On the other side, every time Carlisle got the ball in the second half, the next person in yellow to touch it was Robertson...there was zero penetration down the right, which gave Liam Feeney more chance to run at Robertson as well - it was almost as if we fancied taking on their right-back (sorry forgot his name) but didn't want to go near Matt Robinson, a left-back I have admired as a player for years when he was at Oxford. Much like Merse mentioned about the Crawley game and Sills trying to avoid Adam Quinn all the time. It just makes you wonder all the time!
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When will people realise that substitutions are not made after some sort of "beauty contest" to ascertain who's playing the best from one to eleven?