International Sports and terrorism

Is this post for real?

You won't pander to to terrorists, but you would rather Australia pull out of the World Cup because of an attack probably about 1000 miles away. You want England's cricketers back asap? Are you not confusing the continent of Africa with the country of South Africa. There are plenty of challanges facing South Africa for this summer, but I feel you are being slightly reactionary. Your reaction is similar to saying that London should not host the Olympics because of the Madrid bombings.

As a matter of interest, can any country have any kind of perfect anti terrorist strategy in the face of people who will stop at nothing (including blowing themselves up) to create carnage?
Wasn't there a bomb at the Atlanta Olympics in 1996? ..........or closer to home the IRA bomb in Manchester during Euro 1996.

Aussie my own knowledge on terrorism is very little, but Merse explained the situation that was responsible for the shootings




I don't think it matters where any major sporting event takes place, if some group wants to cause death etc, they will do it anywhere and no venue could ever be 100% safe.

I do think its very wrong that sport is targeted as it sometimes by terrorists and sadly I'm sure it will be again, our world is not the safe place we would like it to be, but just how can it be made safe so everyone can live without fear.

Your missing the important FACT I pointed out in my first post on this subject Aus....................

Togo contributed to their own tragedy by doing just that ~ driving their OWN team buses accross the border from Congo Brazzaville when they had been specifically told not to. They were told to fly to Luanda and thence fly again to Cabinda, but they decided to "do their own thing" and paid the consequences.

Then they declare they are pulling out only to ask to return to the tournament almost in the same breath.

What you have to realise about sub Saharan African society is that there is a huge amount of posturing and one upmanship going on between many despotic and brutal dictatorships, and Togo's is as brutal and despotic as any. Dictatorships that have been kept in power through expediency by the same Western powers by who once carved up the continent for their own purposes, namely profit and easy access to mineral and commodity wealth. Theses dictators have merely replaced the old kings who reigned under the colonial powers who granted them "independence" but in fact granted them nothing of the sort as they had neither the governmental infrastructure or skills to rule in the modern world. The early euphoric introduction of "democracy" has given way to the old style autocracies who depend on finance and armed supplies from their particular paymasters....................be it oil companies, mining companies or the governments of industrial nations like China, Russia, the USA and the UK of course who tie them up in a web of aid programmes that are in fact no more than a "tied house" form of exclusive trade agreements giving them no more leeway than your average back street pub gets from it's brewery.

The gap between the "haves" and the "have nots" grows wider and wider and the need to protect what they have leads to the "haves" protecting it in ever increasing violent and brutal rule. Brutal rule rule that is kept in place by the paymasters of the Western and now Eastern World.

You say you won't tune into the Cup of Nations so as not to pander to terrorism, what does that achieve? You say the World Cup, due to start in just over six months time; should be re-located....................to where and to what purpose? You say there is absolutely no security in South Africa.................do you know that? You say South Africa should come up with an Anti Terror Strategy......................are you saying they don't have one then?

Angola have an Anti Terror Strategy, but one nation willfully chose to ignore it.......................it's as stupid as providing training facilities for a foreign cycling team in the UK in preparation for the 2012 Olympics and they decide to ignore it and get mown down riding along the M4! Would you turn around and blame the host country or the visiting squad?

The African Football Confederation have every right to hold their own tournament, why shouldn't they? The FIFA World Cup has been awarded for the first time to an African nation and that nation is to all intents and purposes the most sophisticated and secure on that continent. Are you saying that FIFA should not attempt to stage a World Cup in Africa?

You come form Australia ~ a continent that brutally virtually wiped out the indigenous population for the convenience of the conquering European. Are you saying you have no comprehension of the aspirations and the desire for self determination that ALL indigenous people have?

I really think you should rethink on what you have stated Aussie, it is simply NOT as simplistic or (forgive the pun) black and white as you make out.

That`s funny I thought the Aboriginal slaughter took place while Australia was still under British rule, oh yeah it did didn`t it? Britain`s got a lot too be proud of if you want to have a dig about my history mate or should I say descendant of a slave trader and descendant of brutal invaders of innocent peoples countries! Easy too sling mud isn`t it, it even easier to be a hypocrite!

Aussie....................your unwillingness/inability to read things properly and then jump on your soapbox making totally inaccurate accusations is reaching epic proportions on this forum.

Now read my post again (for the umpteenth time ) and consider whether your response is logical or not.

Wild and incorrect assumptions that slavery in the Third world was a phenomenon brought about by the arrival of the European are way wide of the mark. The African kingdoms were well established in the acquisition of captured and forced labour many centuries before the European arrived on their continent. Slaves were habitually traded between kingdoms as part of everyday trade and also with the Arab world particularly on the Eastern and Northern sea board of the continent.

Slaves routinely available "for barter" were readily offered as "currency" by African Kings ands War Lords to arriving Europeans from Portuguese, Spanish and the British as far back in history to the Viking and Phoenician traders and explorers of the Middle Ages and well before that.

Indigenous inhabitants of the British Isles were subject to slavery to invading Viking and Roman tribes and armies, so you should begin to understand that "slavery" was not the exclusive invention of "The White Man" nor indeed the sole tool of trade of "The Black Man" but merely an act of trade and war, conquering and submission; so please take something for that toothache of yours and sit down and get rid of that persecution complex!

There's little point attempting a debate with someone who hasn't got the basic ability to read and quote accurately, who doesn't really understand what has been posted.

I'm not carrying on with this pointless refusal/inability of yours in failing to grasp just what has been posted by me and your clouded judgement because you "take this personally".

If you can't/won't grasp the FACT that I posted "for the convenience of the conquering European" and try to distort that into my saying it was "Australians" it really is a pointless exercise Aussie