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Post by Dave on Oct 13, 2009 16:56:26 GMT
A really great piece in todays Herald Express Bygones section, I don't think it appears on the on line site, so have put it up so everyone can get to read it.   |
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Post by Dave on Oct 13, 2009 17:03:51 GMT
I love the story about Constable Wright and how he was tricked down one end of the popside, while others then climbed to wall to get into plainmoor for free.
What a great memory the writer has for his age and I would expect he is the oldest long serving fan we have alive today.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2009 22:03:14 GMT
I was going to post Herbert Lees' memories (did he have a son called Paul in my year at school?) as part of a thread about the heritage project at Tamworth as it brilliantly illustrates the power of this approach to history (provided you police it carefully and iron out any obvious inaccuracies).
One thing I’d love to know more about is the strength of the team fielded by Southampton on the final day of the 1956/57 season. As recently as last week – during the half-time interval at St Mary’s to be precise – I was told again about the weakness of the Saints team against Ipswich. Perhaps somebody can track down the line-up and we can compare it against the number of appearances made by each Southampton player that season.
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Post by Jon on Oct 13, 2009 23:07:25 GMT
One thing I’d love to know more about is the strength of the team fielded by Southampton on the final day of the 1956/57 season. As recently as last week – during the half-time interval at St Mary’s to be precise – I was told again about the weakness of the Saints team against Ipswich. Perhaps somebody can track down the line-up and we can compare it against the number of appearances made by each Southampton player that season. That's a challenge for Google! I can't find 1956/57 appearances, but here's the line-up with career records - copied and pasted from two brilliant sites : www.tmwmtt.com/sql/match_report.phtml?level=1&tablename1=extended_results&tablename2=results&levelname=First Team&day=1&month=5&year=1957&sequence=0 and www.neilbrown.newcastlefans.com/southampton/southampton.htmNAME POS. FROM TO APPS GLS STEVENS Brian G 56-58 Andover O.B. Salisbury City 12 0 WILKINS Len FB 48-58 Cunliffe Owen Ontario All Stars (Canada) 260 2 TRAYNOR Tommy FB 52-66 Dundalk (Eire) Retired 433 7 McGOWAN Jimmy WH 49-58 Grimsby Town Salisbury City 78 9 PARKER Pat CH 51-59 Newton Abbot Poole Town 132 0 LOGAN Doug WH 55-58 RAF Lamport Weymouth 21 0 DAY Eric W 46-57 R.A.F. Ford Gravesend & Northfleet 398 145 REEVES Derek CF 54-63 Bournemouth G.W. Bournemouth 273 145 SHIELDS Jimmy CF 56-59 (Sunderland) Headington United 38 20 WALKER Johnny IF 52-58 Wolverhampton Wds. Reading 172 48 PAINE Terry W 56-74 Winchester City Hereford United 711 160 A centre-half signed from Newton Abbot? A new one on me, does anybody know anything about Pat Parker? The young lad on the left wing ended up playing a few games. Did Alf put him in the 66 squad as payment for services rendered? |
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Post by Jon on Oct 13, 2009 23:14:16 GMT
A centre-half signed from Newton Abbot? A new one on me, does anybody know anything about Pat Parker? Should have gone to google : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Parker_(footballer)According to Wiki, he was signed up by Torquay boy Sid Cann after a pre-season friendly Southampton played at Newton Abbot. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2009 23:17:16 GMT
NAME POS. FROM TO APPS GLS STEVENS Brian G 56-58 Andover O.B. Salisbury City 12 0 WILKINS Len FB 48-58 Cunliffe Owen Ontario All Stars (Canada) 260 2 TRAYNOR Tommy FB 52-66 Dundalk (Eire) Retired 433 7 McGOWAN Jimmy WH 49-58 Grimsby Town Salisbury City 78 9 PARKER Pat CH 51-59 Newton Abbot Poole Town 132 0 LOGAN Doug WH 55-58 RAF Lamport Weymouth 21 0 DAY Eric W 46-57 R.A.F. Ford Gravesend & Northfleet 398 145 REEVES Derek CF 54-63 Bournemouth G.W. Bournemouth 273 145 SHIELDS Jimmy CF 56-59 (Sunderland) Headington United 38 20 WALKER Johnny IF 52-58 Wolverhampton Wds. Reading 172 48 PAINE Terry W 56-74 Winchester City Hereford United 711 160 How about this:  If the figures from the News Chronicle and Daily Dispatch Football Annual are correct, Southampton used twenty-two players in that 1956/57 season and all who played in that final game against Ipswich had previously played in the first-team during the season. But there were five absentees - Christie (the keeper), Elliott, Flood, McLoughlin and Mulgrew - who had played more than thirty games that year. Of these Flood was already heading out of the team to make way for the new boy Terry Paine. The remaining four all played a considerable amount of first-team football the following season - between twenty-two and thirty-seven games in each case - although each appeared slightly less often than they had during 1956/57. Of the five players in that final game who had played less-regularly in 1956/57, Terry Paine was now in the team for good and Eric Day was making the last of his near four hundred league appearances for the Saints. Stevens, McGowan and Logan did feature the following season but each only played in eight or nine league matches. They stand out as the fringe players drafted in for that final match of the season. |
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Post by phipsy on Oct 14, 2009 8:09:30 GMT
regarding that final match in the 56/57 season where i remember the talk was of southampton fielding a mainly reserve side to do a big favour to alf ramseys ipswich.
well it turns out that it wasn/t the case.
i would say though that i watched a lot of the saints in those days having a sister that moved to hamble.
the outstanding player in the saints team was tommy mulgrew a superb inside forward who didnt play in that final game..
on another subject , in the death column of yesterdays herald and express a george webber has passed away.
i wonder if this was the welsh born goalie who played 118 games for torquay between 1950 and 53.
he would have been the same age, 84.
never saw him play, just before my time, but was reputedly a top keeper.
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