AR10
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Post by AR10 on May 29, 2008 18:22:52 GMT
Great signing I believe, at 28 years old should be coming into his prime. From what i've seen of him he is a very energetic player & a very busy one.
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Dave
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Post by Dave on May 29, 2008 18:28:58 GMT
I believe you posted that he was signing, on another forum two weeks ago. Sure you said that we might get Gill as well, along with Poke On a one year loan.
So far one out of three then.
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Post by andygulls on May 29, 2008 21:00:50 GMT
No doubt he (Carlisle) will add some depth to the squad overall. The impressive thing about the signings made so far is that we have upped the overall squad depth. The players signed will be expecting to start and that will place pressure on those that held the positions last year.
I would like to see one more out and out forward plus some full back cover. I assume that on the goalkeeping front if we get one in that will be followed by one out?
Have to be impressed with the backing that PB gets from the board. Whatever the detail of the situation regarding Daryl Batten the continued forward progress of the club gives cause for optimism.
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Post by Dave on May 29, 2008 21:36:56 GMT
I do believe P.B is very lucky, so early in his management career, to be at a club, where the board has given him so much backing.
One wonders what sort of footballing team we would have had if Leroy had been given the same sort of backing.
I do believe the style of play has to change for next season. Many fans put up with the hoof ball, as long as they felt it would get us promotion. It didn't and I think some fans will not want to pay to watch that style of play next season.
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Post by crooky on May 30, 2008 13:11:43 GMT
Couldn't agree more with last paragraph of Dave R's previous posting. Whilst a top 3 finish and a Trophy final appearance was a noticable achievement, IMO the way it was achieved, e.g style of play, in the main, certainly was not! Makes you wonder what they teach on these coaching badge courses that Mr Buckle has been on?  ? |
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Post by ealinggull on May 30, 2008 15:21:19 GMT
I agree with you Crooky. Last season's achievements were impressive in the context of the previous 3 sad seasons. If it means that Torquay has finally turned the corner, then we should rightfully go into this season with renewed optimism. As to whether the FA badges they have won provide the candidate with the wherewithall to offer more than one style of football, we will need to judge PB on that score by about Christmas. Let's hope we do play a more expansive wide game, but that must be built on a solid platform at the back. I'd settle for 3 clean sheets in our opening league games as a sign of intent. If only we had ended the season with 3 clean sheets  |
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Post by andygulls on May 30, 2008 15:27:09 GMT
Couldn't agree more with last paragraph of Dave R's previous posting. Whilst a top 3 finish and a Trophy final appearance was a noticable achievement, IMO the way it was achieved, e.g style of play, in the main, certainly was not! Makes you wonder what they teach on these coaching badge courses that Mr Buckle has been on? ? Whilst I have my doubts about some of the decisions taken by PB last season we do have to remember he was in his first year as a manager. Our squad last season did not have a "playmaker" to take on a central midfield role. The signing of Adams might have been seen as the solution, but a combination of injury and poor form destroyed that option. The signing of Wroe offers hope and if Adams regains form and fitness gives us a couple of options to improve the passing game from central midfield. Add to that Carlisle playing wide PB seems to have given himself a team capable of playng a more expansive game and still win. |
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Post by Fonda on Jun 5, 2008 20:45:53 GMT
I think this is an excellent aquisition. Carlisle doesn't have blistering pace, but he can beat a man, has pretty decent delivery, and knows where the goal is too. Only question remains where he'll play. Out of the wingers at the club, he looks the one most capable of playing down the left.
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Post by Dave on Jun 5, 2008 20:52:24 GMT
I think this is an excellent aquisition. Carlisle doesn't have blistering pace, but he can beat a man, has pretty decent delivery, and knows where the goal is too. Only question remains where he'll play. Out of the wingers at the club, he looks the one most capable of playing down the left. Yes that is the place to play him, but we do need to change our style to suit his type of game. I really think that we are going to play attractive football next season. I never liked the hoof ball and said so often, but went along with others views, if it had worked and got us back up. The floating fans won't pay week in, week out to watch the hoof ball game. |
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Post by Fonda on Jun 5, 2008 20:55:33 GMT
The signings made this summer would seem to indicate something of a change in philosophy from last season. I can't believe we've brought in all these 'footballers' if we intend to continue with the hoofball.
Hopefully the transition to passing football is a smooth one - i can't imagine it will be easy if certain members of the coaching staff are happiest playing a direct style.
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Post by Dave on Jun 5, 2008 21:01:44 GMT
The signings made this summer would seem to indicate something of a change in philosophy from last season. I can't believe we've brought in all these 'footballers' if we intend to continue with the hoofball. Hopefully the transition to passing football is a smooth one - i can't imagine it will be easy if certain members of the coaching staff are happiest playing a direct style. Yes I agree, but I had always hoped that Colin, would have some impute into team. He played at the top and has worked under enough good managers to be in the position, to really help the team. I know many managers may not welcome, what they may see as interference, but at the end of the day, the good of the club, team and getting back to were we all feel we belong, has to be the most important thing. |
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Post by andygulls on Jun 5, 2008 21:40:01 GMT
The signings made this summer would seem to indicate something of a change in philosophy from last season. I can't believe we've brought in all these 'footballers' if we intend to continue with the hoofball. Hopefully the transition to passing football is a smooth one - i can't imagine it will be easy if certain members of the coaching staff are happiest playing a direct style. Yes I agree, but I had always hoped that Colin, would have some impute into team. He played at the top and has worked under enough good managers to be in the position, to really help the team. I know many managers may not welcome, what they may see as interference, but at the end of the day, the good of the club, team and getting back to were we all feel we belong, has to be the most important thing. But Dave is the "good of the club" best served by undermining the Manager with interference from outside? The call must be PB's or in the future part of an agreed arrangement / appointment process. That said it would appear that having some experienced help didn't do Paul Tisdale any harm at Exeter last season did it? |
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Post by Dave on Jun 5, 2008 21:52:16 GMT
Yes I agree, but I had always hoped that Colin, would have some impute into team. He played at the top and has worked under enough good managers to be in the position, to really help the team. I know many managers may not welcome, what they may see as interference, but at the end of the day, the good of the club, team and getting back to were we all feel we belong, has to be the most important thing. But Dave is the "good of the club" best served by undermining the Manager with interference from outside? The call must be PB's or in the future part of an agreed arrangement / appointment process. That said it would appear that having some experienced help didn't do Paul Tisdale any harm at Exeter last season did it? In his first season, he should have had Colin helping him, we could have gone straight up, how many games were lost.because of poor substitutions, no plan B. We all have to learn our job and most need help to learn it |
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Post by merse on Jun 6, 2008 2:42:05 GMT
In his first season, he should have had Colin helping him, we could have gone straight up, how many games were lost.because of poor substitutions, no plan B. We all have to learn our job and most need help to learn it  Do you think Bucks should have had a red "L" on the back of his tracksuit Dave? Maybe progress to a green "L" for this season.................oh hang on - red and green, now I can see why they haven't thought of that! |
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Post by Dave on Jun 6, 2008 5:53:28 GMT
In his first season, he should have had Colin helping him, we could have gone straight up, how many games were lost.because of poor substitutions, no plan B. We all have to learn our job and most need help to learn it Do you think Bucks should have had a red "L" on the back of his tracksuit Dave? Maybe progress to a green "L" for this season.................oh hang on - red and green, now I can see why they haven't thought of that! Don't be silly Merse ;D if I gave a very important job to someone,I believed was going to be great at the job, when he learned all he needed to do, should I just throw him in at the deep end and hope he doest drown. Or in his first and very important year, do I work along side as a guiding hand. I know I would have been beside him, mistakes lead to games being lost and promotion thrown away. The club and its success is bigger than a new first years managers ego. Would you give the reins to a new inexperienced member of your staff and just let him do what he wanted , with no input. IN a business that would be a recipe for disaster. |
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Do you think Bucks should have had a red "L" on the back of his tracksuit Dave?