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Post by tufcwewillbeback on Jul 21, 2008 15:14:02 GMT
I noticed that Aldershot played a Chelsea XI the other night. Just though i'd give the Chelsea side that played them as this is likely to be the players who will come here.
Chelsea: Rhys Taylor (Stuart Searle 46), Shaun Cummings, Liam Bridcutt (captain), Carl Magnay, Patrick Van Aanholt, Tom Taiwo (Michael Woods 46), Fabio Ferreira (Jacob Mellis 46), Sergio Tejera Rodriques (Gael Kakvta 46), Morten Neilson (Daniel Philliskirk 46), Ricardo Fernandes (Jacob Sala 46), Miroslav Stoch.
If anyone has any info about or knowledge of any of these players please leve a post.
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Post by Dave on Jul 21, 2008 15:26:58 GMT
I was hoping you would let me know who they were ;D ;D I know a few names but not many on that list, so yes lets hope we can get some more information on them. Not the sort of line up, that would make it a game you would not want to miss.
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Post by jerry on Jul 21, 2008 18:14:01 GMT
Daniel Philliskirk is the son of former Bolton striker Tony.
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Post by gipsygull on Jul 21, 2008 19:47:36 GMT
Disappointing to see that even Chelsea reserves appear to be made up of about 50% foreign contingent (based on the names, not any inside information into their parentage I hasten to add). Echoes a debate in the ground on Saturday about the lack of English players coming through the system.
Was quite an interesting discussion as there are two extremes - firstly that the record numbers of foreign squad members of premiership sides weakens the national side, while on the flip side any limits on non-english players would likely mean that the standard of players at our level would be diluted as there would be a need for players to 'step-up' to a level higher than that at which they currently ply their trade.
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Post by jamie on Jul 21, 2008 19:56:43 GMT
Obviously I should spend my time thinking of some intelligent and witty comment on this team.
Maybe I should comment on the fact that the team probably form the basis of future hopes of one of the premier league teams in England?
But all I can think when I see that is .........what a load of rubbish!
Chelsea , my arse!
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Post by Dave on Jul 21, 2008 20:25:05 GMT
gipsygull, it has always been my view, that we should go back to the days, when only four foreign players could play in a side, I know Merse will disagree, but I believe our England team is weakened because we have to many foreign players playing here.
When do you see 11 English men at the top level playing together in a team. Never except england games, so how do really expect them to even know how to play together, when they are needed too.
I hope the day will come when we go back to the four rule, it will help bring on English young players give them more of a chance to play higher, it will want to make them work harder on their skills etc, to achieve that goal.
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Post by andygulls on Jul 21, 2008 20:28:37 GMT
You can get a run down on the players in the Chelsea reserve set up by following the link www.chelseafc.com/page/ReservesProfilesIndex/0,,10268,00.html Some young English players - always worth looking at for future loan signings! Some useful young international players who have experience at U19 and U21 level It will be an interesting test and there will be a name or two that will have a future I am sure.
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Post by merse on Jul 22, 2008 3:05:14 GMT
it has always been my view, that we should go back to the days, when only four foreign players could play in a side, I know Merse will disagree, but I believe our England team is weakened because we have to many foreign players playing here. You couldn't be more wrong there Dave, I thought I'd made my feelings perfectly clear on "the other side" how abhorrent I find the Premier League (not the real one) it's greedy self interested attitude and ruination of the national team. For all but three of the "contestants" life consists not of challenging for the title, but mediocrity as they get a million pounds per final league placing thus anything but relegation rewards them. Now we've ended up with a plethora of nondescript foreigners cluttering up places in nondescript teams and the only exceptional "attraction" to the average punter is going along to watch the odd star opposition when either Manure, Chelski or the Arse come to town. Even Arsenal are now losing their grip on the title challenge so in less than two decades OUR national league has denigrated into no better than the Rangers and Celtic dominated Scottish League where even they consider it judicious to pack their sides also with these "Mickey Mouse Internationals"You'll not a find a single out of favour Chelsea first team squad member in that touring party because these "superstars" don't "do" reserve appearances......reserve games are just glorified youth pass and move exercises with no tackling and no excitement. The poster who reckons that this Chelsea squad could reveal a few stars of other clubs in the future is spot on....................I was given a press brochure by Arsenal FC the other day which devotes a whole chapter on just how many professionals who started out at the Gooners now ply their trade at other Premier and Football League clubs as a riposte to those who don't want their kids to go there to be coached because they are perceived as being a graveyard for English talent. Being in receipt of further material from Highbury House (their admin HQ) on the subject of explaining their youth policy, I note their insistence that the current rarity of over reliance on foreign talent is non sustainable (even for them!) and that they adopt a strict policy of "playing the Arsenal way" even from their most remote soccer schools (and they have one in South Devon) right up through their academy into the first team. This is the REAL strength and individual forte of Arsene Wenger and it will stand Arsenal in good stead for many years to come, but it does not a stitch for England at present because even at schoolboy level, the club are recruiting from abroad - and Chelsea and Man Utd are now no different! I've watched my little boy at his Arsenal sessions and the ratio of five coaches to a small group of just twenty players is impressive. The very short time span devoted to a particular skill like trapping or passing is ideal for a seven year old and even at this young age the above average will be invited to take things more seriously in a group drawn from many similar classes whilst the rest will be welcome to maintain the club link by going along for fun in the Football in the Community sessions near to their homes. It's a long and painstaking process and thinking about the vandalising done to OUR youth set up in past years does nothing for my blood pressure. The initiatives pursued by the present club executive COULD have been pursued by the previous one - except they were small minded and unambitious. Now our club is light years behind even the Stevenages of this world and the current set up will need to be made sustainable for the future, after all we cannot rely on Sean to underwrite things for ever and it's really something I would like to see the Trust decide to focus on.
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Post by midlandstufc on Jul 22, 2008 12:43:36 GMT
Back to your normal time Merse and it has led you to posting one of the most perfect contributions I've seen on any message board.
I back everyhting you say (this once only!) 100%.
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Post by crooky on Jul 22, 2008 12:59:00 GMT
Im surprised Chelsea even bother having a reserve team. How many of those players listed in previous postings will ever get as far as the 1st team bench, let alone the first team. My guess in none of them.
Never mind a Chelsea XI. I should read more like a Chelsea 4th XI.
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Post by Dave on Jul 22, 2008 15:31:36 GMT
Forgive me Merse, but on the one hand you want to slate Premier League clubs and yet you go on to say some of the good things they do with youth. We all know why the top fight got ruined, partly by far to may foreign players, but also the greed. Its all about money as we know and I would hate to have such great teams on my doorstep, knowing I could not afford to watch them.
If these clubs did not have such high revenue, your little boy, would never get that sort of coaching anywhere else, its good that the top clubs, do at least give something back to football, with their first class youth setups. Merse you can't have it both ways mate, if you think these clubs are the scum of football, should you then use their excellent coaching schools?
To me the game against Chelsea, is not really what many fans who go, will think it is. There will be plenty, who will think they will be going to watch the stars. Yes its true some of these players may well be the future stars and will give our team a good work out. I just hope it gets billed for what it is and people do not get fooled into thinking they will be seeing the first team.
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Post by tufcwewillbeback on Jul 22, 2008 15:39:16 GMT
It's turned out rather badly really because Chelsea have just sold Sidwell who is one i thought may have played this game and their best reserve player (Ben Sahar) has just gone on loan to Pompey. I have to agree with many comments suggesting that the game will not be what many will think it will be simply because i've never heard of any of the players that played against Aldershot.
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Post by merse on Jul 22, 2008 16:06:52 GMT
Forgive me Merse, but on the one hand you want to slate Premier League clubs and yet you go on to say some of the good things they do with youth. ************************************************* If these clubs did not have such high revenue, your little boy, would never get that sort of coaching anywhere else, its good that the top clubs, do at least give something back to football, with their first class youth setups. Merse you can't have it both ways mate, if you think these clubs are the scum of football, should you then use their excellent coaching schools? To defend my position: What the top clubs (Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool) have done is replace what was once a conveyor belt for the national team with a shopping list of foreign stars. They all had (and still do have) excellent development records as their long list of England players of the past show. Nearly all clubs have excellent development records, (not all but most) but the very top clubs with the possible exception of Man Utd are denying the opportunity to the very best of young English talent to finalise their embarkation into the top flight by recruiting from abroad at quite ludicrous cost when quite frankly (in my opinion) they don't really need to. Hence Arsenal's statement that it's not really sustainable in the long term. Taking Arsenal as an example.............is Henry Lansbury really inferior to Paul Merson? or was Steve Sidwell less of a player than Ray Parlour? Could Justin Hoyte not emulate Kenny Sansom? We're still waiting to find out because they have been denied first team exposure long into their development by the likes of Fabrigas, Eduardo and Clichy - all under 23 just like the English lads they are preferred to. Excellent players agreed, but are they significantly better than the English lads; and will those local lads stick around or leave just as Sidwell had to - and will that disruption to their careers at a vital time lessen their potential to Fabio Capello? In my opinion, it will!
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Post by Dave on Jul 22, 2008 16:34:58 GMT
Ok Merse , for some reason I had in my my head, that you felt having all these foreign players, had not had any impact on the National team. So if you feel and ask the question are they really any better, than what we could produce here, I have to ask the question, just why are they here.
Do the big clubs feel that getting big foreign names, is what we really want to see, or is it really that they do believe they are much better players and they will not win cups and league titles without them.
We know why those players want to play here, because they will get paid better than anywhere else, also our league is considered the best, but is that because they are making it the best. Has our game and style of play changed, because of the foreign influence, or do they play the English game that we know.
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Post by jamie on Jul 23, 2008 19:31:09 GMT
With the risk of repeating myself I have to say this thread is what the board was created for. Intelligent debate and informed opinion.
A pleasure to read.
I fully accept my contribution clearly lets the side down!
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