Dave
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Post by Dave on Jun 17, 2009 19:10:08 GMT
I really must say I'm rather mad with Torbay Council as it has now just bought eleven new buses for bus company stagecoach.
Section 106 agreements are a way of prospective developers paying for improvements in a local area in order to get planning permission.
Typically money goes towards improvements to roads, schools and landscapes and one has to ask with all that needs doing around Torbay, why a company who has sought to stop running all non profitable bus routes gets 11 new buses bought for it.
The good old days of when we had a decent bus service run by Devon General are long gone, instead we have seen routes slashed and prices rise and rise. Carol tells me its nearly a whole pound cheaper to wait and catch the river link bus from the bust station to our home near the zoo. Even the the First bus company charges much less for the same trip.
I'm all for local public transport being improved, but we will not see Stagecoach putting back any of the routes they stopped running services on, nor will there be any reductions in the prices charged, I bet those in London would think that to pay £1.85 to get from Paignton bus station to the zoo on Totnes road was a complete rip off, well thats the price stagecoach charge, only a pound on the river link bus.
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Post by aussie on Jun 17, 2009 19:49:40 GMT
My business is suffering at the moment, my vans nearly knackered, do you recon they`ll buy me a new one? I`m right with you here Dave, couldn`t agree more, this sucks!
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Post by merse on Jun 18, 2009 3:15:32 GMT
I really must say I'm rather mad with Torbay Council as it has now just bought eleven new buses for bus company stagecoach. Section 106 agreements are a way of prospective developers paying for improvements in a local area in order to get planning permission. I'm all for local public transport being improved, but we will not see Stagecoach putting back any of the routes they stopped running services on, nor will there be any reductions in the prices charged, I bet those in London would think that to pay £1.85 to get from Paignton bus station to the zoo on Totnes road was a complete rip off, well thats the price stagecoach charge, only a pound on the river link bus. As a matter of FACTthe minimum cash fare on a bus in London is £2 ~ even if you only travel one stop. There are ticket machines at each bus stop (one can't pay on the vehicle in the most central part of London) but the aim is to discourage such one off buying (and bring about the "cashless bus" all over London) and instead incentives are offered to buy One Day Tickets, One Week, or One Month and of course tickets that combine ALL forms of public transport. Most local authorities including TfL (Transport for London) purchase vehicles for these private operators. It's sold to us as a means of investment in public infrastructure but in my opinion is yet another way in which a once Socialist political party has been hijacked by opportunist carpetbaggers who have taken it further to the right than Ted Heath's old Conservatives were. However, it all goes to prove that as in most walks of life, you get "owt for nowt" as they say somewhere north of the Penn Inn Roundabout (and the Magic Roundabout in Swindon for that matter) and that after decades of huge loss making when public transport was indeed publicly "owned" and run for service and not profit....................decades when the lack of investment in vehicles, infrastructure and operating staff brought the industry to it's knees; we have now gone full circle to where "public transport" is in fact private transport available for use by the public on the terms and conditions of the shareholders and the management appointed of the private companies like Stagecoach and First. It sucks, but it's a fact of life that could only be changed by a huge swing to the left in public perception of politics, public investment and inevitably much higher taxation.......................have the public of this country shown they want to emulate those in the Scandinavian countries where such a lifestyle is taken for granted? No they haven't, they fall for promises of low taxation without questioning the consequences of such voting and pay little attention to the manifestos presented to them at voting time and instead follow their age old prejudices and vote as they always did. That's the "Sun Reader/Thirty Second Attention Span" society we live in and that's why Brian Souter (the chief of Stagecoach) and the other opportunists and entrepreneurs get rich whilst your missus waits in the rain to ride on a bus that SHE bought for a "public service" that only comes along when a suitable period in time that allows for a "build up in business" has elapsed for it to run at a profit (subsidised in the form of taxation paid for by your missus by the way) for the private shareholder!
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Post by midlandstufc on Jun 19, 2009 12:39:14 GMT
100% spot on Merse. But here's one to get Dave upset - I can travel anywhere in the Black Country/Birmingham region on West Midlands Travel all day for --- £3.30!!! Mind you, I think £1.20 is the minimum fare and anything over about 4 stops is £1.70, but that is the max one-way fare, so it's not all bad. Someone may correct me on this. Oh, and most of the buses are brand-spanking new (and some are old bangers natuarally). It's part of being Urban, where efficiencies are made and not in the county with the most miles of road in England. Londoners just always get screwed - apart from those rich enough not to care - mind you it seems fare retribution for spawning Cockneys and Pearly Queens - ha ha.
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Post by capitalgull on Jun 19, 2009 13:16:10 GMT
To be fair, there is a day ticket on Stagecoach as well, which I believe was about £4.50 the last time I bought one and could have been used all day from Brixham to Newton Abbot, and I think down to Totnes and Dartmouth as well.
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Post by lambethgull on Jun 20, 2009 0:16:43 GMT
100% spot on Merse. But here's one to get Dave upset - I can travel anywhere in the Black Country/Birmingham region on West Midlands Travel all day for --- £3.30!!! Mind you, I think £1.20 is the minimum fare and anything over about 4 stops is £1.70, but that is the max one-way fare, so it's not all bad. Someone may correct me on this. Oh, and most of the buses are brand-spanking new (and some are old bangers natuarally). It's part of being Urban, where efficiencies are made and not in the county with the most miles of road in England. [glow=red,2,300]Londoners just always get screwed [/glow]- apart from those rich enough not to care - mind you it seems fare retribution for spawning Cockneys and Pearly Queens - ha ha. Not so sure about this tbh. As a relative newcomer to the Captal, £1 on the old Oyster card for a fairly lengthy bus ride seems a good deal to me. True, it costs the same for shorter journey, but that's where shoes come in handy. I hardly ever cook in London. Why should I waste my time cooking spaghetti bolognaise or fannying about pretending I can use a wok when for a few pounds I can eat pretty much whatever I want? Every Londoner knows at least a dozen places where a decent meal can be had for a just a few pounds. Get to know the owner and its often even cheaper. Tourists and visitors often get rinsed, but that's their fault for not doing their research. There can be no excuses for anyone able to access Google or their local Waterstones.
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Post by midlandstufc on Jun 23, 2009 12:19:56 GMT
Last time I was down I found the Cheshire Cheese near the Tower - top value beer and food! Pity it was Everton - Blackburn on Sky though.
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