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Post by capitalgull on Jun 2, 2009 10:49:45 GMT
Interesting you should mention Barrow, Daz. I've just been reading about their manager Dave Bayliss agreeing a deal with a centre-back, who is under 24 and will cost them compensation at a tribunal.
Wonder if it might be young Mark. Speaking to Merse, he tells me Barrow's full-time players are going to be based in Salford this season and Ellis did learn the game up at Bolton so it would be like a return 'home' for him.
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Post by rjdgull on Jun 2, 2009 12:31:44 GMT
Ah, but Ellis is still under contract so does not need to go to tribunal!
Would concur with his pace attibutes compared to the others and would be very sad to see him go.
Other central defenders include 35 year old Hodges who also has to cover at LB, Todd, gallently fighting against cancer and Robertson who has yet to sign. Bearing in mind that we generally have a defender injury crisis at some point in the season would expect him to get a fair few games next year and like Robertson would then have the opportunity to establish himself.
Hopefully, the club will fight to keep him.
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Post by Rob on Jun 2, 2009 17:53:33 GMT
Well I certainly hope he stays. He has more pace and is more direct in his defending than anyone else on the playing staff. Chatting up at Barrow with Chris Hayes and ealinggull, he and Matt Green (Wroe at a push) were the only ones we collectively felt would make it at a much higher level than BSP. Whilst I think the contract stalling Robbo would be barmy to leave TUFC having cemented a place in the starting X1, we have a very competent replacement in Ellis. And should keep him.
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Post by bloggy on Jun 2, 2009 21:57:26 GMT
Robbo hasn't agreed anything yet... whereas Mark (Ellis) is under contract... perhaps Robbo's hesitancy in agreeing a new contract will be to Marks benifit? I'd love to see him get a run in the squad and prove his (undoubted) worth!
There'll be a few more twists and turns before the season starts!
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Post by graystar on Jun 5, 2009 19:39:43 GMT
Mark certainly hasn't gone yet, I have that on good authority. Mind you, he is understandably still in the dark as to his future playing career at TUFC. The top brass need to be fair to him and either give him the chance to further prove his worth via squad rotation, or let him move on to where he will be appreciated for the quality player he undoubtedly is!
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Post by tqriviera on Jun 5, 2009 20:37:53 GMT
Mark Ellis has a contract for next season - FACT
So why on earth all the speculation?
The only way he goes is if he puts in a transfer request or, less likely, the Club put him on the transfer list (why should they!?) - I very much hope that neither happens!
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Post by graystar on Jun 5, 2009 20:56:41 GMT
I believe that the good members of this forum hear and see things about the players that they appreciate or otherwise. If they do see and hear things and are genuinely concerned for the team and its players, then they have a perfectly good reason for debating this on the forum. That is one of the reasons, after all, why this forum has been set up! There is clearly things going on behind the scenes with all the players at Torquay, whether it be by way of renewal/extension of contract or discussions regarding players future. It is only healthy that the players know where they are and the fans also deserve the right to know where their clubs players are or are going to be. Nothing at all wrong with that. As for the fact that Mark has a contract for next season, we all know that contracts can be broken and often are by one side or another! To assume that the contract is set in stone and cannot be varied or terminated would be quite frankly very niaive! All we want is the best possible outcome for TUFC and if that means people in high places putting players and fans first then that can only be good for the club and the game in general. Keep on debating and putting the world to rights guys!
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Post by stuartB on Jun 5, 2009 21:38:50 GMT
I believe that the good members of this forum hear and see things about the players that they appreciate or otherwise. If they do see and hear things and are genuinely concerned for the team and its players, then they have a perfectly good reason for debating this on the forum. That is one of the reasons, after all, why this forum has been set up! There is clearly things going on behind the scenes with all the players at Torquay, whether it be by way of renewal/extension of contract or discussions regarding players future. It is only healthy that the players know where they are and the fans also deserve the right to know where their clubs players are or are going to be. Nothing at all wrong with that. As for the fact that Mark has a contract for next season, we all know that contracts can be broken and often are by one side or another! To assume that the contract is set in stone and cannot be varied or terminated would be quite frankly very niaive! All we want is the best possible outcome for TUFC and if that means people in high places putting players and fans first then that can only be good for the club and the game in general. Keep on debating and putting the world to rights guys! Patience, Graham. all in good time. in seasons past all the dross gets signed in august but all the desperate get signed in May/early June. the serious talent will move in late June and early July when all the leagues have been sorted out and they have enjoyed their holidays. You are right in certain ways. By all means report the snippets of info but we have no right to know what is going on behind the scenes until it is a done deal, as it could jeopardise any potential deal to let the cat out of the bag. This is a very frustrating time of the year for any football fan. Let's not turn on each other and just enjoy the fact that we have been promoted and afford Mr Buckle the respect he deserves and faith that he will do what is right for the club for next season. |
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Post by tqriviera on Jun 5, 2009 21:51:39 GMT
Obviously any contract can be terminated or varied - but only according to the terms and conditions agreed on signature of the contract. Any variations would usually require the agreement of both parties. It would indeed be "naive" to think otherwise!
I would assume that Mark could buy himself out of his contract or that Torquay United could pay it up - but why?
I actually have followed the progress of Mark quite closely, but I would not go "public" on certain things that maybe I know but, in my opinion, should remain "private". Debate yes, but there is sometimes a little too much of "I have it on good authority"!
I do, however, seriously believe that it is in the best interests of Mark and Torquay United if he is there in pre-season and that he then shows through his undoubted commitment and talent that he will be a first choice for one of the back four positions.
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Post by graystar on Jun 5, 2009 22:17:07 GMT
Absolutely correct that it would be in the best interests of Mark and the club if he is there pre-season. Lets just hope that the Club does give him a chance to become first choice for a back four place. He does deserve it and many many fans of the club and this forum have already expressed their opinions in this regard. That should not obviously preclude existing members of the first team. It would be hoped that the club will see Mark as the future of the club and reward him accordingly with the occasional starting place in the near future as well as the chance to shine by way of substitution. The club needs to keep all its strengths in depth and to lose any potential key player because of a failure to assure him of his importance to the team would be catastrophic. Lets hope that a decent solution can be found to please everyone. That is what all the fans want for the club, myself included.
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Post by Dave on Jun 6, 2009 7:37:57 GMT
Mark Ellis has a contract for next season - FACT So why on earth all the speculation? The only way he goes is if he puts in a transfer request or, less likely, the Club put him on the transfer list (why should they!?) - I very much hope that neither happens! Yes Mark is under contract for next season and you ask why is there all this speculation. As has been stated already on this thread Mark was very unhappy at the club last season, he felt he should have got the nod over some other players and also felt when he did get his chance to play, he did well and maybe deserved to keep his place. Mark wants to play and he really does not want to have another season just sitting on the bench or not even making the squad.I do believe he has a good future in the game and is a young player who will only get better, but he does need games to progress his own game. If as Grahame states that Mark has been told he is very much in the plans for the club, then he must be given more opportunities in the coming season, failure to do so will just see Mark being as unhappy as he has been and I would then expect to see him put in a transfer request when January comes around. I know he is still young and has many seasons left to play, but even at his age no player will want to remain at a club where he is unable to get games, maybe if we had a reserve side in a local league then at least we could keep those players the manager feels are not ready or at the required standard for the first team happy and at least be getting some sort of regular football. In a reserve team they can keep match fit and sharpe and be in a much better position to show the manager the progress they are making and therefore increase their chances of making the first team. |
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Post by graystar on Jun 6, 2009 11:52:00 GMT
Yes Dave, absolutely agree with the view that he needs games to keep his sharpness and in order to improve his ability. He definitely was told that he was in the future plans for the club; and what is needed now is some substance to those words. They mustn't be empty words that ultimately are only there to pacify a player in the short term, otherwise you would be absolutely correct in your assertion that he would just get fed up of waiting for his chance and ask for a transfer. Any doubters to this scenario need only ask themselves how they would react in his position. In our own daily jobs any of those who have been the least bit interested in getting on in our employment have only been content when the opportunity to do so comes along. If you are told by your employer that he values you but under-uses your experience and ability to the detriment of your career prospects or promotion then it is only natural that after a while you will become a little disillusioned and maybe start to look around for a more rewarding altenative. Mark and the other players at the club are no different to the rest of us in that respect. They are ambitious and need the club to show them they will stand by their words of assurance to them. Perhaps there is also some mileage in your suggestion of a reserve team also Dave although it remains to be seen if players who are already unhappy with not making the cut into the first team squad would be any the less unhappy with a place in the reserve team. Still, it is not a bad suggestion and the only other alternative would be a loan move in order to stop him from getting itchy feet and leaving the club altogether.
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