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Post by Jon on Oct 11, 2008 12:51:11 GMT
we can't afford it on our currant gates. The currant gates aren't raisin enough money. Good job we've got the extra cash from Sultana Sports. |
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Post by Jon on Oct 11, 2008 13:09:26 GMT
I must admit that I thought we were crying out for Caryol for Stevens to inject some energy going forward and get us back "on the front foot". When Hodges came on, it seemed as if we were accepting that we were going to be "on the back foot" and that seemed to make it inevitable that we would conceed sooner or later. I still fancied our chances of a good win until that point, but after the substitution I fully expected the game to unwind as it did.
What is it that gets a team "on the front foot"? I remember one game at Bristol Rovers that was a real game of two halves. In the first half the Leroy team played the Atkins team off the park. They did not look like they deserved to be on the same pitch as us. In the second half, we got nowhere near the ball and it looked like big men aganst little boys. Why were the two halves so completely different? How come we could get the ball when we wanted in the first half but not in the second?
One obvious factor on Thursday was that Oxford were awful in the first half and excellent in the second - a rousing team talk maybe? It obviously looked like our standard dropped considerably, but maybe it was more of a case of being able to dominate a poor team and not being able to dominate a very good team - which is hardly surprising at all.
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Post by Dave on Oct 11, 2008 13:18:35 GMT
we can't afford it on our currant gates. The currant gates aren't raisin enough money. Good job we've got the extra cash from Sultana Sports. Yes it Is Jon, but we do not only get It for the games we feature In? If that Is the case then we can only afford the extra players wages on TV days only. |
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Post by capitalgull on Oct 11, 2008 13:22:58 GMT
we can't afford it on our currant gates. The currant gates aren't raisin enough money. Good job we've got the extra cash from Sultana Sports. I don't think he got it Jon - must be a prune! |
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Post by Jon on Oct 11, 2008 13:26:49 GMT
The currant gates aren't raisin enough money. Good job we've got the extra cash from Sultana Sports. I don't think he got it Jon - must be a prune! It probably wasn't worth getting! No dried or sour grapes from me. |
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Post by merse on Oct 11, 2008 14:09:47 GMT
The manager told us that Yeomans is a striker and would bring renewed energy to that position. That's good enough for me as I have never seen the lad until then, even if he does get experience in different roles in the youth team; that is for his all round football development and education which is the primary object of youth team football. I think we all agree how great it Is to have the Youth setup back at our club. Do you really believe that In a game where we are only winning by a single goal, against a club who may well be challenging with us, for promotion, we should be giving a Youth player some experience and education, just because Its the primary object of youth team football. Surly the primary object Of the first team Is to win matches and not be used as a nursery school for youth players, who are doing well, but not ready for first team action just yet.  Is it your view that Yeomans was brought on merely to give him "some experience" ? it wasn't mine. I rather thought he was in the squad on merit and that he was used as a sub with a brief "to do a job" There is no suggestion from me that first Team action is a "nursery school" for youth team development. Have you seen much of the player in action, because I haven't? I do know that both Capitalgull and Jon have seen him play in the youth team, so maybe they could offer a view of his capabilities based on having actually seen him play before. It's no secret that the manager is looking at strikers with the potential to come into the squad and boost the fire power; but it is also apparent to all but the blind that some re-assessment of wages may be necessary due to the recent financial implosion and THAT may necessitate utilising young Mr Yeomans a bit more often than the manager originally countenanced. It may also be possible that Thompson was on the bench but carrying some sort of injury (the manager wouldn't make that public would he) and it could also be possible that by then and with the R&D match on his mind, he didn't want to risk Thompson getting a knock because he has a role in mind for him on Sunday. Who knows? That is for the manager to know and others to surmise; I just don't feel he should be pilloried yet again by the same old suspects. |
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Post by Dave on Oct 11, 2008 20:35:49 GMT
Merse you are just getting a bore, worm and squirm Is all you know and If I could make a catch phrase for you It would be
Where did I say that.
You know what you are saying and mean, even If you do not use words that I can quote you on, yet when you are proved wrong, you come out with those words,,, where did I say that. So Bucks has had much praise Of late an deserved, then he gets It wrong, the honest people are prepared to say so, but then you come out calling them the same old suspects.
Suspects for what Merse? wanting to start a new anti-Buckle campaign? No please stop you rants at those on here, who are not afraid to admit that Bucks Is not perfect. Now we just need you to open your eyes, Or are you just afraid to do that, I mean I know you had to close them after you fell for Roberts, but Merse He has gone, so please open them now.
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Post by stuartB on Oct 11, 2008 21:17:34 GMT
Mr Merson, you are such a naughty boy. with a little one on the way you will have to learn to set an example. Take it from me, things will come back to haunt you. I have been known for saying one thing when meaning another, on purpose to provoke a response. You sir, do this and also put things in such a way that can read several different ways. It will come back to haunt you when your children do the same to you. it is now happening to me with my older children.. quite annoying really. We are a friendly community and we enjoy your contributions but on occasions you are boardering on deliberately argumentative. please continue with your informed and entertaining postings without the unnecessary caustic quality  |
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Post by merse on Oct 11, 2008 21:18:02 GMT
Merse you are just getting a bore, worm and squirm Is all you know and If I could make a catch phrase for you It would be Where did I say that.You know what you are saying and mean, even If you do not use words that I can quote you on, Dave..................if you cannot quote me, I haven't posted it - end of; so,  |
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Post by tokyogull on Oct 12, 2008 7:19:27 GMT
Crikey. We aren't all gonna start fighting are we?
Personally I always find Merse's posts interesting and quite often insightful.
Doesn't mean I always agree of course. But having not lived in England for 18 years and just getting back about once a year to take in a few games I don't feel particulary qualified to make many comments.
Having said that...
Surely if Thompson was carrying an injury, we had other players who could have been on the bench?
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Post by merse on Oct 12, 2008 7:35:29 GMT
Surely if Thompson was carrying an injury, we had other players who could have been on the bench? I didn't claim he WAS carrying an injury, merely suggesting a possibility behind Bucks thinking. Am I right in saying that Brough was the only non selected and fit player on Thursday? Once again, reading Hargreaves' blog will illustrate just how often and how many players have to play with debilitating knocks and strains, unknown to the fan at large.. |
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Post by Dave on Oct 12, 2008 7:49:53 GMT
Crikey. We aren't all gonna start fighting are we?Personally I always find Merse's posts interesting and quite often insightful. Doesn't mean I always agree of course. But having not lived in England for 18 years and just getting back about once a year to take in a few games I don't feel particulary qualified to make many comments. Having said that... Surely if Thompson was carrying an injury, we had other players who could have been on the bench? Me and Merse just like to spar with each other every now and then, we have been at the forum game far too long to let It ever get into a fight ;D Glad you picked up about him saying Thompson was injured, you see he did not say that, so no one can put It In quote, but he did make It sound like he was injured, just in true Merse style. ;D |
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Post by capitalgull on Oct 12, 2008 9:01:09 GMT
Merse is right - Brough was the only other apparently fit player we had at our disposal on Thursday. And it was me who suggested to him on the phone that Thompson might have been carrying a knock because he was not running around with a great deal of enthusiasm at half-time. Of course that could also mean that he has done something in training to cause him to become out of favour. Not saying I know anything for sure, so don't quote me, but it's all possible.
And as for Ashley Yeoman, from what I have seen in five games, he is a player that has the potential to go a long way in football. He can play anywhere across the midfield and up front, although I do hope the coaching staff at some point try to convert him into a one-position player - rather be a master of one trade than a jack of all.
But it's weird, the main difference I saw in him on Thursday was not nerves, but the difference in style of football between the first team and the youth team, where passing is the order of the day based on what I have seen.
Yeoman is not a hoof it up and he'll hold it up merchant, and as we turned more towards the long ball in the second half, it negated any effectiveness he might have had. Note the one fine piece of play he put in was thanks to a beautiful through ball, on the deck, I believe from Nicky Wroe. And what happened? Sills, Carlisle, etc, showed no kind of hunger to catch up with play and get into the box for him. I really hope he goes on to great things, and he has the touch to do it, but he will always be a better player in a footballing side.
He is, though, a little bit different to some of the players who have tried to make it with the Gulls because he has a little bit of a mean streak in his play. I've seen him come in with some tough tackles previous Gulls central midfielders would have been proud of, and he is not afraid to mix it. And that, it seems, is something the youth staff want to make sure their players do. They don't want a bunch of lily-livered footballers coming through; it's a tough life at this level of the game, and these kids (to use today's buzzword) had better learn fast because they could soon find themselves in the first-team squad if we hit another injury crisis. Capitalgull's top tip to be the next one is Ryan Beattie.
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Post by Dave on Oct 12, 2008 9:24:36 GMT
Thanks Andy for you views on Ashley Yeoman and knowing you have seen him play, he does sound like a very exciting prospect.Would be good to hear why you think that the Youth team play a more passing game, you know playing football the way its meant to be played It goes back to what has been debated before, should the team be set up to play to the strengths of the forward players. If a player such as Ashley Yeoman requires the ball played to him on the ground, then why did we just start hoofing it up his way.Merse will tell us, that It is because the manager has asked for It to be played that way, but you will get nowhere If you fail to give any forward the type Of service suited to his game. |
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Post by merse on Oct 12, 2008 9:56:55 GMT
If a player such as Ashley Yeoman requires the ball played to him on the ground, then why did we just start hoofing it up his way.Merse will tell us, that It is because the manager has asked for It to be played that way, but you will get nowhere If you fail to give any forward the type Of service suited to his game. I happen to think Dave, that whenever the back four start to miss out the midfield on a recurring basis, it is to the manager's displeasure and discomfort; surely that is why he brought in someone like Wroe and made his abortive move to fit a couple of "footballers" (Hargreaves and Brough) into the back four. There's no greater discomfort for a manager than to sit helpless as his players ignore pre-match planning or a plan starts to unravel due to individual error, and it's no different for Bucks as it is for any other manager! Whilst we're at it........................please read my "3-5-1" as "3-5- 2" I never was any good at "sums"  |
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