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Post by merse on Jan 31, 2009 17:17:31 GMT
Today Julian has kept to the action and young Mark Ellis has added all that is needed by a co commentator. I think the BBC are scraping the barrel having Mark Ellis as summariser (not "co-commentator") he's inarticulate and clearly has had no media training so what (apart from the fact that he is an unused member of the playing party) is the point of using him? Chris Fleet and Jeremy Butler are fans and make excellent contributions when they are on and I for one would bet that Paul Bastard would also make an intelligent input beyond the constant "yeah" and "hit up to Sillsy" of Ellis. Once again the Beeb fecked up early on and we had to suffer an Exeter City feed (and they're not even supposed to be broadcast beyond their own website!) maybe just maybe Romford Kev's interjection when I called him to inform the Beeb team up there had the same effect as when Andy Charles did it on our behalf for the recent R&D game........................the switch to OUR game came instantaneously again anyhow. At least we know what to do now: place a plant next to the commentary team and someone listening in prompt the stupid so and so's into doing the job properly. Querying the line up is a little unfair given the late loss of Carlisle due to illness and claiming the cup defeat will make it harder to reach the play offs is just surreal in my opinion......................exactly how does anyone arrive at that conclusion when it could have quite the opposite effect? A quick fall down to earth and a slap in the eye shows just what cup football can do to you. A disallowed "equaliser" and then another effort cleared off the line immediately before the all important second goal for the opposition, proves the wafer thin margin between victory and defeat. We can't be that surprised that Southport were both up for it and perfectly capable of winning the tie after their recent excellent form. We'll get over it!
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Post by Dave on Jan 31, 2009 17:28:19 GMT
Mark may not have said much and yes he lacks any training, but for once we got to hear the action, unlike so many other games on the radio, when those doing it get into a conversation and forget there is a match going on. Give me the way it was today anytime, than the ones where you sit listening, just hoping to hear any action.
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Post by merse on Jan 31, 2009 17:30:03 GMT
an awful game with awful players is this the same team that were unlucky against coventry they didnt even try almost as if they wanted to get kicked out the trophy today And Buckle needs to make his mind up instead of dropping players every week awful line up to start, what he was thinking with green and benyon is beyond me I take it you are "lap topping" or phoning this in from Southport are you? Saying people "didn't even try" is a bit of a strong statement if you are indeed at the game, saying it from afar at your PC keyboard is positively out of order and akin to libel. So please................ IF you have been at the game can we have a more measured and constructive assertion?
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Post by stewart on Jan 31, 2009 17:31:34 GMT
Some people will say that we can now concentrate on the League.
They need to wake up a bit. There is no way that we will achieve a play-off position if:
1) We play as naively and lacking in creativity as the radio commentary suggested; 2) We persist with this ridiculous policy of playing with a slow target man on his own up front; 3) We don't get hold of a proper goalscorer who, by now, could well have ensured that we had reached the next round of two cup competitions.
This has to be a wake-up call for the manager. The truth is that the players he has at his disposal, despite being stronger as a squad than last season, seem to lack the tactical nous required in the games that matter most.
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Post by merse on Jan 31, 2009 17:34:17 GMT
but for once we got to hear the action, unlike so many other games on the radio, when those doing it get into a conversation and forget there is a match going on. Give me the way it was today anytime I agree wholeheartedly Dave...................Julian Gaunt is a properly trained professional commentator, unlike several of the journalists the Beeb use for home games; and no - he doesn't get sidetracked into talking about irrelevent crap as they do!
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Post by chelstongull on Jan 31, 2009 17:35:20 GMT
Some people will say that we can now concentrate on the League. They need to wake up a bit. There is no way that we will achieve a play-off position if: 1) We play as naively and lacking in creativity as the radio commentary suggested; 2) We persist with this ridiculous policy of playing with a slow target man on his own up front; 3) We don't get hold of a proper goalscorer who, by now, could well have ensured that we had reached the next round of two cup competitions. This has to be a wake-up call for the manager. The truth is that the players he has at his disposal, despite being stronger as a squad than last season, seem to lack the tactical nous required in the games that matter most. Starting to cheer up a bit now, but I can't disagree with this.
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Post by Dave on Jan 31, 2009 17:36:48 GMT
Merse ever since our first meeting things have been so nice between us
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Post by Dave on Jan 31, 2009 17:42:13 GMT
As hard as I try stewart, I really can't disagree with the points you have made, but the fact remains that we do only have the league left and only that now to concentrate on. Will we be good enough? will we score the goals we will need? well we do not have the answers and can now only cross our fingers and toes.
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Post by Dave on Jan 31, 2009 17:52:52 GMT
Well Bucks was honest in his after match interview, he stated we got nothing because we deserved nothing, needed to dig in at games like these but failed to do so. No excuses made as lets be fair there can't be any, we got what we deserved ant that really was nothing.
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Post by capitalgull on Jan 31, 2009 17:54:07 GMT
Some people will say that we can now concentrate on the League. They need to wake up a bit. There is no way that we will achieve a play-off position if: 1) We play as naively and lacking in creativity as the radio commentary suggested; 2) We persist with this ridiculous policy of playing with a slow target man on his own up front; 3) We don't get hold of a proper goalscorer who, by now, could well have ensured that we had reached the next round of two cup competitions. This has to be a wake-up call for the manager. The truth is that the players he has at his disposal, despite being stronger as a squad than last season, seem to lack the tactical nous required in the games that matter most. I guess I must need to wake up a bit then. Because if there is anything on top of the league that we can concentrate on, it must have passed me by. The league is the only competition we are left in, so how can we not concentrate on it?
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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Jan 31, 2009 17:58:09 GMT
The ONLY thing that really concernsd me today is the financial aspect of the defeat (and to feel sorry for the fellow Gulls fans who made the effort to go). The amount of re-arranged games last season surely wasn’t a benefit, this will hopefully ensure that there are more games on Saturdays (well, before Setanta start juggling them about!) and less of a pile-up. Today was just 'one of those days' - perhaps it could have gone our way, but that's football. As someone else said - no cup run = no fixture disruption = no excuses over the rest of the season. Im sure Burton fans couldn’t care less that they got hammered today as well! I'm looking forward to the Weymouth game on Tuesday whether there are any additional signings or not.
I cant comment on the whole team's performance as I wasn’t at the game, but Wroe again was substituted early - how many times has that happened now with a player that is marked as our 'creative spark'? I am slightly concerned about his form (after a promising spell)- perhaps more than I am about the lack of goals from the strikers.... However professional a group of players are surely it must have felt like "after the Lord Mayor's show" today to some extent. Im sure if that is the case then it wont carry-on into the league fixtures - which are all that matter as we head towards the end of the season and hopefully the play-offs.
With regards to Green - he wasn’t deemed fit enough to start at Lewes due to injury. Does anyone know for sure that he was fit enough to start today? I suspect he wasn’t.
One other observation - how on earth have Ebbsefleet got 3,700 today!? Did the fans get paid to attend or something!?
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Post by Dave on Jan 31, 2009 18:12:36 GMT
The ONLY thing that really concernsd me today is the financial aspect of the defeat [/color] [/quote] Not really sure just how much we would lose in the end, yes I know any Wembley game would have been a half decent payday, but winning the cup would not have made us a fortune. Compared to what getting back to the league would really mean financially, then the money side may not be so important.
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Post by stewart on Jan 31, 2009 18:17:08 GMT
Some people will say that we can now concentrate on the League. They need to wake up a bit. There is no way that we will achieve a play-off position if: 1) We play as naively and lacking in creativity as the radio commentary suggested; 2) We persist with this ridiculous policy of playing with a slow target man on his own up front; 3) We don't get hold of a proper goalscorer who, by now, could well have ensured that we had reached the next round of two cup competitions. This has to be a wake-up call for the manager. The truth is that the players he has at his disposal, despite being stronger as a squad than last season, seem to lack the tactical nous required in the games that matter most. I guess I must need to wake up a bit then. Because if there is anything on top of the league that we can concentrate on, it must have passed me by. The league is the only competition we are left in, so how can we not concentrate on it? I'll put it a different way then. There are bound to be people who will say that our being knocked out of this cup will create a clear path for us to prosper in the League. What I'm saying is that we have been found lacking today, so profoundly, that any thoughts of progressing out of this league have to be tempered by a realisation that things are not right and the points I have made have to be addressed urgently. In my opinion, of course.
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Post by petergodfrey on Jan 31, 2009 18:43:25 GMT
Just back from Southport and still thawing out. A poor result certainly and we didn't really deserve much but score may flatter Port a bit, considering the last two goals. The wing was with United but the pitch was soft and soon cut up, producing plenty of bobbles, which affected passes and maybe us more than them. Same for both teams though and they adapted better. United started off with a packed midfield of Hargreaves, Wroe and Adams, making 5 if you count Mansell and Nico pushing up. Hodgie and Woods were at the back with Sills up front, Dsane wide left and Thompson on the right - he seemed to be wide much of the time rather than 'in the hole'. Southport struck early when they got a cross in from the left - not sure it was meant to drop low to the near post but their man Daly was quicker to it than our defenders, got in front of Woods and hooked it in from the 6-yard box. We spent a lot of time passing the ball about between our own pen area and the half-way line. Beyond that we either gave the ball away or played it long and more often than not the wind at our backs carried it to their keeper or out. I can only remember one shot, a Sills effort from outside the box which didn't trouble their keeper. They started the second half with three efforts from outside the box, surely the right idea in the conditions. Before long Carayol and Benyon replaced Wroe, who hadn't done too badly, and Adams. Thompson moved back into midfield, so we had 4 up front. We began to look more lively, especially Carayol. Sills headed in but it was dissallowed as the ball had gone out of play. The keeper took the ball off Dsane's head (from a Sills cross !) then quick thinking by Dsane got him in on the left and his low shot beat the keeper but was cleared of the line as we were about to celebrate the equaliser. Then Southport broke and scored again when our defence, either Woods or Mansell I think, let a ball drop behind them and Daly lobbed the advancing Bevan. Two in-rushing United forwards somehow failed to get a touch to a great Dsane cross then Port sealed it with a freak third. The right back hoofed a clearance from his own half, the ball sailed high in the air and, whether it swirled in the wind or Bevan lost it in the lights it seemed to bounce in front of the keeper and high into the net. Still, to their credit United pushed forward but when the ball bounced off Benyon and wide of the far post it was clearly not United's day. Hopefully the team will be able to put this behind them and raise their game for better teams to come. At least there can be no more talk of cup distractions !
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Post by petergodfrey on Jan 31, 2009 18:51:28 GMT
p.s. I can't understand people saying players aren't trying - in my experience it is very rare and certainly wasn't the case today against a decent team in difficult conditions. Can't see how it helps giving players stick at the end either - what good did it do shouting at Bevan to 'stop acknowledging the United fans and try to catch the ball instead' ?
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