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Post by tqriviera on Aug 25, 2008 20:02:31 GMT
It was indeed the best home performance so far and we did not really deserve to lose - but we did!
The back four were very solid and, for me, the MOM award should have been either Woods or Ellis. Also, Mansell had a good game.
But, we lost and that is what most people will judge Bucks on.
Before any further criticism, I would rather wait and see if he picks the same back four for the next game as that will tell me personally a lot about his management skills. If Todd is fit again, he should be on the bench. Nothing against Todd, but, defensively, we were a good unit.
IF the rumour about Nico is true then grant him his request - on the 2nd September!
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Post by Dave on Aug 25, 2008 20:05:45 GMT
I actually think it's your fault Dave - change that pic of Bucks in your message footer to one in a TUFC outfit and rid us of the one wearing an Exeter City top ;D Sorry I never noticed that honest I just goggled some pictures, I will look for a new one tomorrow, If I can't find one with him in TUFC gear, hes going, that was not an anti= buckle remark, or one asking for him to be sacked. Sorry just felt I needed to make that clear. ;D
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Post by Dave on Aug 25, 2008 20:10:30 GMT
thanks tqriviera, it does sound as If we were much better in defense today, I do wonder if we would have picked up a few more points, If we had played todays defense in all our other games. Still to win games you need to score and we seem to have a problem doing that at the moment,
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Post by andygulls on Aug 25, 2008 20:11:06 GMT
Excellent report Swangull and fully matched my observations. I too was surprised by the attendance figure - it looked less than 2k For the first time since his appointment Paul Buckle walked to the dugout before the game accompanied by silence as opposed to the normal applause he has previously enjoyed. That "reception" was repeated at half time. At the end of the game I think it was unfair of anyone to boo. Certainly the result was disappointing but the performance was solid enough. It appeared to me that the booing was was directly related to the manager and not the team who were given a measure of warm applause as they left the pitch. Have to say was surprised by the Man of the Match award. Perhaps gullfc is not too wide of the mark . I thought Hodges faded in the second half and along with Woods and Ellis (I cannot really believe I just typed that!) Mansell might have been in the frame. Something to build on certainly but it will be a big game on Thursday with a poor crowd and the pressure is still on.
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Post by tqriviera on Aug 25, 2008 20:17:41 GMT
Dave!
You are, of course, correct!
Goals win games and we only really had a few half chances today.
But, get the back four right first, then the middle of the park and then the strike force because, at present, we need points!
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Post by Dave on Aug 25, 2008 20:37:50 GMT
Dave! You are, of course, correct! Goals win games and we only really had a few half chances today. But, get the back four right first, then the middle of the park and then the strike force because, at present, we need points! It was never rocket science to know you have to built the team from the back, Now that we have gone back to having defenders to defend, lets hope the midfield is worked on next, passing the ball to the forwards, all we have to do them is show them how to get it between the white posts and not on either side of them.
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Post by stuartB on Aug 25, 2008 20:49:04 GMT
Titles are never won in August!!!
No one is playing well. Stevenage, Rushden, Wrexham and even Cambridge who lost today.
When we get it right, we should climb the table quickly
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Post by Swanny on Aug 25, 2008 20:56:32 GMT
The point to emphasise as well again that we were much improved because Buckle selected players up for a physical battle. Our back 4 looked physically imposing especially with Ellis and Robertson's height, and we can always rely on Hargreaves and Mansell, when played in the middle, to get stuck in. Speaking to my friends who have seen most matches, too many of the new players it would seem don't seem up for a battle, and that is why we have been so poor. Add into the mix Stevens and Benyon, then we appear very weak, as much as I rate their skill levels at times.
I suppose it's a question of balance but I do agree with Merse, we need to win the physical battle first. I really missed Phillips physical presence today, and that is an example of a player who got stuck in AND could show skill. Come to think of it so could Zebroski. Unfortunately it seems too many of our players this season only possess skill OR physical endeavours.
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Post by Dave on Aug 25, 2008 21:03:27 GMT
swangull as much as it hurts me to agree with Merse, I do now see his points about the physical battles that need to be won in the BSP over the skillful passing game I have said should be played.
We may well start thinking like we did last season and that is we don't care how we play as long as we win. I really don't fancy staying in the BSP for too long, I firmly believe gates would just continue to drop and drop, soon to become the Yeovil of old, playing to 900 on a good day.
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Post by macedge on Aug 25, 2008 22:18:36 GMT
First match seen this season and first post but thanks,Dave for a great site
I thought it was a pretty awful game today. Ok we did mix the play up in the first half and we should have taken the couple of good chances we created but we're not looking like a team, no-one's running off the ball, no-one's making space it's just perfunctory stuff and the longer it went on the more we went to the long ball.
You can see that Carlisle and Caryol can both play but they hardly ever get the ball and they pulled inside more and more.
After half an hour everything was a boot over the top or a flick-on - why is no-one is holding the ball in the middle of the pitch and looking for a wide runner ? I thought Sills played well in the first half but why is he tracking back into defence all the time - he was even defending throw-ins.
Why is no-one playing off Sills ? His strength is his headed deflections but no-one is anticipating them and they come to nothing. I thought D'Sane was ineffective today - he's meant to have real speed but he was outpaced nearly every time by defenders covering - he reminded me of Bedau once his speed was gone - and he just isn't sharp in the box - ok he may not be 100% fit but should we be starting with him then ? Yes, Benyon maybe is physically lightweight but he's sharp in the box and chases every half chance and Green would surely have a point to prove To see that Salisbury are top tonight says it all. They were very poor - not as good as last year when the 4-0 score flattered us - but they took their chance when it came. Our back 4 looked solid enough, although Robertson is out of position out wide - as he always has been. When he came to the club he looked a great prospect as a centre back , always played the simple ball, never seemed to panic and could always lay the ball off to his wide defenders but Buckle just won't play him there.
When I think back to the opening game last season against Grays I think of the way the team seemed galvanised and chased down every back pass, pressured the keeper and the back 4, and it was such a change from the previous 2 seasons. We don't do it now. We looked tired and everyone seemed to be looking for someone else to do something. We need a settled side that plays together for 5 or 6 matches but of course we need to know what that side is. I can't excuse the manager for this. He has to know the players better than anyone. He has to get performances out of them - that's what he has to learn . We aren't talking about 5 games he's had a year now. Things went wrong before Christmas and they aren't any better now. How many managers can you think of who are able to turn it around after a poor start ? -a few but not many. The sides at the bottom of divisions in September are usually still there come March.
After years of driving back to Cornwall after another depressing performance I've got you to thank, Dave for having a place to express an opinion other than listening to the drivel on Radio Devon. Thanks.
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Post by chipnicker1 on Aug 25, 2008 23:33:00 GMT
[glow=yellow,2,300]After years of driving back to Cornwall[/glow] after another depressing performance I've got you to thank, Dave for having a place to express an opinion other than listening to the drivel on Radio Devon. Thanks. As if driving back to cornwall wasn't depressing enough
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Post by tufc01 on Aug 26, 2008 0:20:44 GMT
[glow=yellow,2,300]After years of driving back to Cornwall[/glow] after another depressing performance I've got you to thank, Dave for having a place to express an opinion other than listening to the drivel on Radio Devon. Thanks. [glow=yellow,2,300]As if driving back to cornwall wasn't depressing enough[/glow] Yes, Valentines night 2 seasons ago. Drew 0-0 with Barnet in a DIRE game, in pooring rain. Drive back to Helston in drizzle/fog through a desolate Cornwall with no Valentine present. If i remember orrectly there was only 2000 supporters there that night as well.
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Post by merse on Aug 26, 2008 2:58:11 GMT
After half an hour everything was a boot over the top or a flick-on - why is no-one is holding the ball in the middle of the pitch and looking for a wide runner ? I thought Sills played well in the first half but why is he tracking back into defence all the time - he was even defending throw-ins. Yes, Benyon maybe is physically lightweight but he's sharp in the box and chases every half chance and Green would surely have a point to prove Nice to see another new face and to see it coupled with an intelligent observational post. I just cannot see how after all our troubles you can champion carrying a lightweight in any team that is struggling to establish itself. Please, face up to the reality that this is the BSP and not the Avon Youth League,Torquay Ladies or BaybeeFace FC. Had you watched Kettering's eventual domination of local (and unbeaten league leaders) rivals Cambridge United today on their own patch you would have seen a physically up for it side, getting their foot in and crucifying any Cambridge player who "fancied" taking them on skill wise. You HAVE to fight for the right to play, YOU have to be big and physically dominating at the back; in many of the games we'll see there is no time to put your foot on the ball - hence the restoration of Mansell to midfield; and it is essential that when the ball is worked up front it bloody stays there and doesn't come whizzing back because Benyon or Steven's fallen over again under a challenge. How did the goal come about yesterday, was it NOT pint sized little novelty act Stevens who lost possession? REAL men for Big Boys Football please, and we'll stand a chance in this grizzly 'orrible league!
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Post by merse on Aug 26, 2008 3:06:51 GMT
IF the rumour about Nico is true then grant him his request - on the 2nd September! I would echo that - if he HAS asked to be listed it displays a pretty poor sort of character. Does he not fancy trying to win a place on the left of midfield? Does he not relish the challenge of proving in training that he is a more effective left back than Hodges (which I personally don't think he is by the way) and if he were to go where does that leave our currently undermanned fullback department? No Mr Nicholson, YOU were one of the players who got us off to this bad start - you stay and clear up your own mess!
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Post by Dave on Aug 26, 2008 5:57:46 GMT
welcome to the fourm macedge,I know you have been with us for a while and it was great to read such a very good first post.
Dave R
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