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Nico
May 22, 2009 12:19:33 GMT
Post by chesneygull on May 22, 2009 12:19:33 GMT
I see from .com that Nicholson has signed a 1 year contract today.
Keep 'em coming PB...........................
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May 22, 2009 16:15:05 GMT
Post by Dave on May 22, 2009 16:15:05 GMT
After it looked like he had lost his place in the side early in the season, he won it back and played well all season for us. He does lack pace and gets skinned from time to time, but he offers so much to the team.
We all know how good his free kicks are as are his long throw ins and I believe he will have no problem playing in a division higher.I'm sure we will see a few new faces join the team as Its important to improve the squad we had, not doing so the last time we were promoted was the real I believe we came straight back down again.
I don't think Poke would come on loan again next season so for me a new keeper to back up Bevan is a must signing as Rice in my view would not be up to league standard.
Where do you think we need to strengthen the squad? a new forward? a proper right back? and who do you think we should be going after?
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Nico
May 22, 2009 16:21:28 GMT
Post by chesneygull on May 22, 2009 16:21:28 GMT
As you said a back-up keeper, striker, left winger and cover at right back-up. Alot will also depend on the Hargreaves situation...................
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May 22, 2009 17:01:25 GMT
Post by paulr on May 22, 2009 17:01:25 GMT
A right back which would free Manse to deputize/replace Hargreaves in midfield maybe?
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May 22, 2009 17:21:21 GMT
Post by stewart on May 22, 2009 17:21:21 GMT
I'm a bit surprised that it's only a one year contract after he has proved his value to the team beyond any doubt.
If managers are going to persist with this one year or two year commitment, then it's hard to see that any player throughout the Football League will ever again make 400+ or even 300+ appearances for one club, which is a shame.
This was one of the great attractions of watching the team in the Sixties, namely having a settled team with familiar faces for year after year.
I was wondering if anyone knew what the successive contract arrangements were for Kevin Hill, who at this rate will never have his record surpassed ?
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May 22, 2009 18:03:30 GMT
Post by rjdgull on May 22, 2009 18:03:30 GMT
I seem to recall Exeter only offering one year contracts at this point last year as well. With hindsight, definitely a good thing for them as a predominantly conference side is going to struggle in league 1.  Sills only had his contract extended by one year as well so maybe it is a case of certain players having to prove they they can perform well in this league. |
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May 22, 2009 20:02:45 GMT
Post by chrish on May 22, 2009 20:02:45 GMT
I seem to recall Exeter only offering one year contracts at this point last year as well. With hindsight, definitely a good thing for them as a predominantly conference side is going to struggle in league 1. Sills only had his contract extended by one year as well so maybe it is a case of certain players having to prove they they can perform well in this league. Given both player's records at this level its a very prudent move. If they both have good seasons I'm sure they'll be another contract offer in the pipeline. It's going to be a interesting close season. Hopefully we can add a bit quality in certain areas. |
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May 22, 2009 20:08:24 GMT
Post by lambethgull on May 22, 2009 20:08:24 GMT
I'm a bit surprised that it's only a one year contract after he has proved his value to the team beyond any doubt. If managers are going to persist with this one year or two year commitment, then it's hard to see that any player throughout the Football League will ever again make 400+ or even 300+ appearances for one club, which is a shame. Maybe, but surely it would be more of a shame if the club found itself with players on long contracts who were surplus to requirements. Nicho, like most of our squad, deserves a go in the higher league based on his performances of the last two years. But it is a higher league, and I would be concerned if he were signed up for longer than 12 months. Anything could happen during this time. Should we 'do an Exeter' and go up in our first season, can any of us really say that Nicho is a League 1 defender? Should Bucks go at some point in the next two years, do we really want any new manager to have little/no flexibility to bring in new faces? I'm not sure of the contractual arrangments with our squad, but Nicky Wroe and Poke (if we were to sign him up) are the only two I would be aiming to sign for more than 12/18 months. The club is in a ruthless, survival of the fittest competition. Appearance records and wistful thoughts about how things were in the 1960s should play no part in contract negotiations! |
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May 22, 2009 21:04:02 GMT
Post by Rob on May 22, 2009 21:04:02 GMT
I seem to recall Exeter only offering one year contracts at this point last year as well. With hindsight, definitely a good thing for them as a predominantly conference side is going to struggle in league 1. Sills only had his contract extended by one year as well so maybe it is a case of certain players having to prove they they can perform well in this league. Given both player's records at this level its a very prudent move. If they both have good seasons I'm sure they'll be another contract offer in the pipeline. Good call, Chris. Both of them are not blessed with pace and it remains to be seen how they will cope this time around in the League. I hope Sills gets an early goal as he in particular has a personal hoodoo to overcome next season. |
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May 22, 2009 21:54:44 GMT
Post by merse on May 22, 2009 21:54:44 GMT
I'm a bit surprised that it's only a one year contract after he has proved his value to the team beyond any doubt. This was one of the great attractions of watching the team in the Sixties, namely having a settled team with familiar faces for year after year.  I think the question mark over Nicholson in league 2 will be his limited pace ~ and certainly it is not sufficient for League 1, that's for sure. What you DO get from Nicho is an extremely high percentage of "assists" both from restarts and open play, of that there is no doubt; so one will have to be weighed against the other in the heat of battle. The same restrictions of pace could "do" for Sills also I fear, but we'll have to see. I don't think that in the sixties there were definitive contracts as such as clubs could retain players' registrations against their will if they so wished, or merely release them as the judgment of the manager decreed. It wasn't until the lifting of the maximum wage ceiling was achieved by the PFA that "contracts" were ever publicly discussed. As I understand things, Nicky Wroe had already agreed a contract extension as had Tim Sills but with all the furore caused by Steve Woods throwing his toys out of the pram it was kept under wraps; would somebody privileged to inside knowledge care to verify that or otherwise? |
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May 22, 2009 22:42:52 GMT
Post by chrish on May 22, 2009 22:42:52 GMT
Given both player's records at this level its a very prudent move. If they both have good seasons I'm sure they'll be another contract offer in the pipeline. Good call, Chris. Both of them are not blessed with pace and it remains to be seen how they will cope this time around in the League. I hope Sills gets an early goal as he in particular has a personal hoodoo to overcome next season. I think he's improved his fitness since he first joined us and I daresay he's a better player now than the one who was released by Notts County. I think the most important point is that PB has rewarded a very consistent performer who's played in more than 100 games over two seasons with a chance to prove that he can make it at this level. If he signed him for longer and he isn't good enough for this level then it would be considered daft to pay a player good wages when he might not be the best long term prospect in that position. I really hope they both put their personal league 2 demons behind them and have fantastic seasons as they've both given so much to the Torquay United cause over the last two seasons. |
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May 23, 2009 1:05:45 GMT
Post by phipsy on May 23, 2009 1:05:45 GMT
had a long chat with nico at the ball at plainmoor this evening.
mentioned his perceived lack of pace.
he understands his limitations re pace, but he did say that once a winger had got the better of him once during the game he certainly would not acheive the same success again during the game, look at his record ,and he/sright.
a good example of this was the one good chance that cambridge had during the wembley game, when their winger got the better of kev and got around his outside and brought a great save from pokey who turned his shot over the bart and out of danger.
nico explained in graphic detail that the same player from cambridge had a similar opporutinity in the play off game and went inside and had a shot from the edge of the area, nico thought that he was going to play the same ploy again. we talked about penalties and he told me he used to take them for forest green and never missed!
he is the obvious penalty taker to me, in the fashion of paul wotton at argyle.
blasted down the middle, no goalie is going to have any chance. no poncing around with penalties just blast them.
we talked about the direct free kick that we had in the first half at wembley and i suggested he should have taken it but he said wayne carlisle really fancied it and kev gave way.
all in all i believe kev is one hell of a class player and we are so lucky to have him and with a little more pace would be premiership player..
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May 23, 2009 22:05:29 GMT
Post by stewart on May 23, 2009 22:05:29 GMT
I'm a bit surprised that it's only a one year contract after he has proved his value to the team beyond any doubt. If managers are going to persist with this one year or two year commitment, then it's hard to see that any player throughout the Football League will ever again make 400+ or even 300+ appearances for one club, which is a shame. Maybe, but surely it would be more of a shame if the club found itself with players on long contracts who were surplus to requirements. Nicho, like most of our squad, deserves a go in the higher league based on his performances of the last two years. But it is a higher league, and I would be concerned if he were signed up for longer than 12 months. Anything could happen during this time. Should we 'do an Exeter' and go up in our first season, can any of us really say that Nicho is a League 1 defender? Should Bucks go at some point in the next two years, do we really want any new manager to have little/no flexibility to bring in new faces? I'm not sure of the contractual arrangments with our squad, but Nicky Wroe and Poke (if we were to sign him up) are the only two I would be aiming to sign for more than 12/18 months. The club is in a ruthless, survival of the fittest competition. Appearance records and wistful thoughts about how things were in the 1960s should play no part in contract negotiations! I understand perfectly what you are saying, that we are living in times when finance governs what happens in football. Sadly, it also means that both managers and players have but a very short time at one club to make their mark on the history of that club (Ferguson, Wenger, Gradi and a few others excepted). Thus, at the end of the day, the only constant factor attached to the club is the fan base, and somehow that seems to be an illogical component of what a club is supposed to be. |
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May 24, 2009 10:59:56 GMT
Post by lambethgull on May 24, 2009 10:59:56 GMT
Don’t really see what’s illogical about it. Signing players on long contracts when most of them are untested or unproven at League 2 level makes no sense at all.
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