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Post by chrish on Mar 18, 2009 14:47:41 GMT
I personally think that Mr Bamforth isn't playing with a full deck. I have to admire the commitment to the cause but you have to wonder at what cost to his personal life.
I went to see Brentford V Chesterfield with The Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR last night, because geographically speaking Brentford is our local team. We were treated to a few Ex Torquay players on both sides, Ryan Dickson, Charlie McDonald, Marvin Williams for Brentford and Martin Gritton who scored the eventual winner for Chesterfield, plus the sight of Lloyd Kerry warming up throughout the second half.
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Post by merse on Mar 18, 2009 15:07:30 GMT
We were treated to a few Ex Torquay players on both sides, Ryan Dickson, Charlie McDonald, Marvin Williams for Brentford and Martin Gritton who scored the eventual winner for Chesterfield, plus the sight of Lloyd Kerry warming up throughout the second half. Only crap ones then! I witnessed at first hand what a rubbish ref Mike Riley is. Ye gods, the man's an absolute irritant, how the hell you can book a goalkeeper for opting not to take a free kick 15 yards inside his own half is ludicrous. Seven yellow cards - most of them for petty infringements and yet him and his lino miss a clear 2 yards offside winner for Arsenal that gets replayed on the big screen for all to see including himself and yet he STILL gives the "goal" which he didn't HAVE to do as the game had not kicked off again. Dishonest is the politest description I can think of!
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Post by merse on Mar 18, 2009 15:11:03 GMT
I personally think that Mr Bamforth isn't playing with a full deck. I personally think Mr Bamforth is an unhygienic idiot who needs to get a proper job! Sleeping in club car parks trawling the country for reserve games...................an 18 carat, mentally ill (and probably rather smelly) obsessive!
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Post by chrish on Mar 18, 2009 15:55:44 GMT
We were treated to a few Ex Torquay players on both sides, Ryan Dickson, Charlie McDonald, Marvin Williams for Brentford and Martin Gritton who scored the eventual winner for Chesterfield, plus the sight of Lloyd Kerry warming up throughout the second half. Only crap ones then! I witnessed at first hand what a rubbish ref Mike Riley is. Ye gods, the man's an absolute irritant, how the hell you can book a goalkeeper for opting not to take a free kick 15 yards inside his own half is ludicrous. Seven yellow cards - most of them for petty infringements and yet him and his lino miss a clear 2 yards offside winner for Arsenal that gets replayed on the big screen for all to see including himself and yet he STILL gives the "goal" which he didn't HAVE to do as the game had not kicked off again. Dishonest is the politest description I can think of! Oh I don't know about that. I would have all of them back apart from 18 goal Charlie McDonald! Gritts won everything in the air last night and worked well with Jack Lester. We were also impressed with their pacy left winger Drew Talbot who I read today has suffered two broken legs, a season long back injury and an 8 month cruciate ligament injury in his very short footballing career and on loan from Wigan midfielder Lewis Montrose. I quite like how Chesterfield play as well. Organised at the back, strong in midfield, pacy down the flanks with a direct style but with a bit of flair and creativity in the correct areas. An outside bet for the play offs if they win their 3 games in hand. Otherwise Exeter will have to screw up very badly in order not to make the play offs! A colleague who's a Argyle supporter went as white as a sheet last week when I told him they could be playing City next season. I think he'd forgotten all about that!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2009 22:46:04 GMT
I personally think that Mr Bamforth isn't playing with a full deck. That was the consensus in the car on the way back from Uxbridge v Taunton last night (where our travelling party had constituted nearly 7% of the attendance). Between us we've years of first-hand experience of football-related insanity (FRI) but we decided the staples have definitely come out of Barmcake's programmes as well as the pins from his badges. The latest is that he's buying a replica shirt (XXXXL) at each football league ground he visits. Lots of pictures of empty football grounds at www.tauntontown.com/martin_bamforth/ After the Crawley game on Easter Saturday you'll be able to meet the ground hopping fraternity at Buckland v Witheridge at 6.30pm. Most of the hoppers are fine and the hops have something of an English eccentric's garden fete feel to them (with host clubs rubbing their hands over badge and programme sales). Mind you, it's best not to look into the whites of certain eyes and conversations can prove fatal. And, it being Easter, remember there will be a full moon....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2009 21:54:00 GMT
As you can imagine I enjoyed my trip to Burton and can add little to the comments of others about the game suffice to say I've not been as happy all season as I was sat in the stand during the first-half. Quite simply we were excellent all over the pitch. And where better than to enjoy a half-time Bovril than in the older football fan's drink's home town?
I'd actually been in Burton since early afternoon arriving at the railway station to be greeted with signs describing it as A Gateway to the National Forest. Does this mean Burton isn't confident enough to describe itself as the gateway to the forest? I hope they're not losing their nerve on that one as well...
For those of you who've been to Burton, you'll know it's not a place of great character or beauty although I must say it's pretty decent down by the River Trent where I spent a while before dropping my bag at the Delter Hotel. This is a tidy establishment a few hundred yards from the Pirelli and almost slap bang opposite Derby Turn where Burton Wanderers played in the Football League in the 1890s.
At breakfast the next morning I held out little chance of football conversation with the North American family - father and two sons - at the next table. But then the proprietor came and asked them if they'd enjoyed the game. Being polite to the bloke - who clearly knew very little about football - they made the obligatory pro-home team/good guest noises. Then we got talking and it transpired that the father - probably in his mid 50s - was a Prestonian (in spite of his accent) who regularly brings his two lads to Britain on football-watching trips. He remembered coming to Plainmoor to see PNE in 1970/71; knew his grounds and history; knew his players and was rather proud of having one of the largest programme collections in North America (boosted by the arrival of every PNE programme through the post).
Unfortunately our conversation which - if it had started the night before would have lasted five hours - was over in fifteen minutes because they were off to the station to take the scenic route to Hereford for that evening's game against Brighton. Then tonight it was Ninian Park for the match against Derby. I do hope the lads enjoy it as much as dad and I wonder what their mates back in New Jersey will make of tales of Edgar Street?
For me there was a trip to Ashbourne which is famous for its tradtional rough-and-tumble Shrovetide football. Walking around the streets of that lovely little town I wondered if Groundhoppers tick off the market square when they visit? I bet some of them bloody do.
In fact I've been told that Dovedale is good groundhopping territory on account of its summer football. Apparently this started because the local agricultural labourers were too busy in the dark winters to play football. Instead they started playing at 7pm on summer evenings and the tradition has stuck much to the undoubted pleasure of men with clipboards and plastic covers for team sheets.....
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Post by jimmydunnegod on Apr 10, 2009 8:32:18 GMT
I myself will popping into Buckland after our win over Crawley to see this groundhop game, i read earlier that there were 251 at the opening game of the hop last night and numbers set to increase today. Could be near the 400/500 mark by its conclusion on Sat night. I wonder if i walk around with a note pad, rucksack and buy a badge i might get a bigger portion of chips for my supper!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2009 11:57:56 GMT
I myself will popping into Buckland after our win over Crawley to see this groundhop game, i read earlier that there were 251 at the opening game of the hop last night and numbers set to increase today. Could be near the 400/500 mark by its conclusion on Sat night. I wonder if i walk around with a note pad, rucksack and buy a badge i might get a bigger portion of chips for my supper!!! Just been in town buying a new anorak in preparation for Royal Marines v Exeter Civil Service this afternoon. Came home via the cathedral and saw part of the Good Friday crucifixion re-enactment. I was a little alarmed when I thought Tim Sills was one of the figures on the crosses....(it did look like him!). I know he's not popular amongst City fans but.....
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Post by merse on Apr 10, 2009 15:12:42 GMT
Came home via the cathedral and saw part of the Good Friday crucifixion re-enactment. I was a little alarmed when I thought Tim Sills was one of the figures on the crosses....(it did look like him!). I know he's not popular amongst City fans but..... Nah, couldn't have been our Tim...............he thrives on crosses whilst the other guy dies on them! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2009 20:31:20 GMT
I'm appalled too that Liverpool continue to employ a manager who's lack of knowledge of the structure of English football and unwillingness to recruit from below in the fashion that the club historically has, is so detrimental to their current make up whereby whenever I see them on TV they are just a bunch of anonymous Spanish imports. Take heed of the history of Ray Clemence and Kevin Keegan (Scunthorpe Utd) Emlyn Hughes (Blackpool) Phil Neale (Northampton Town) Peter Thompson (Preston N.E.) Alun Evans (Wolves) John Toshack (Cardiff City) Larry Lloyd (Bristol Rovers) ~ I could go on and on ~ who all made the grade at our leading club of the time from echelons below the very top of the domestic game. And to that, you could add how Bill Shankly was associated, at various times, with Carlisle United, Preston North End, Grimsby Town, Workington, Huddersfield Town.... For me, following players up and down the leagues was one of the little delights of being a football fan. I’d imagine many supporters of my generation have a mental database of the career details of thousands upon thousands of footballers. But, in my case, that database now contains very few current Premier League players. This may be because there are so many coming from other leagues. Of these, some become well-known and hugely significant whilst others come from nowhere, play very little and disappear quickly. I can't - and don't want to - keep track. Likewise there are now relatively few lower division players emerging to appear in the Premier League on a regular basis. To this effect I’ve even heard some people – not the Football League’s marketing division I hasten to add – describe the Premier League as an international league with the Championship as the pinnacle of the English game. That’s a thought-provoking idea if nothing else and seeing Jonathan Stead playing for Ipswich at Wolves recently got me thinking a bit more. A few years back – when he was at Huddersfield – Stead was one of the hottest prospects at our level. In time he got his big move to Blackburn but didn’t really cut it and soon moved on Sunderland and Sheffield United. I don’t know if that’s due to the player’s shortcomings - as a footballer or individual – but it struck me his career trajectory is at the top end of what could now be expected by a talented young player in the lower divisions. Twenty, thirty, forty years ago I’d imagine there would have been a far greater likelihood of him becoming an established First Division footballer. Maybe the absence of Jonathan Steads is what – so we’re led to believe – makes the Premier League far superior to dowdy old Division One. If so, that’s progress. But, as I think Merse implies, we’re left with a situation where the leading clubs have diminishing interaction with the rest of the British game. This reflects the supra-national nature of the Premier League/Champions League complex where Manchester United’s rivals are now Barcelona rather than Leeds and Tranmere’s promising players are further from Liverpool’s plans than those in La Liga and its feeders. Football - at the very top – became globalised long ago and its increasing internationalisation was inevitable. How bad a thing is that anyway? It’s easy to cry foul about excessive foreign influence in English football but, in all the time I’ve been interested in the game, one of the most exciting developments was the introduction of non-British and Irish players in 1978. It’s amazing that, with a handful of peculiar exceptions, there were no foreign footballers playing for English teams until then. This meant that those early signings – Ardiles and Villa at Spurs, Muhren and Thijssen at Ipswich – really added another dimension. So consequently it was only right that, after a pretty long interlude, clubs started appointing overseas coaches and managers. Too many foreign players and coaches? I’m not sure but I’m surprised by their number and how the wider forces of globalisation in football have changed the character and nature of our leading clubs. A few years back – to me anyway – these clubs became less distinguishable from each other. Amidst all our Cloughie nostalgia we remember the differences between Derby, Leeds, Liverpool and the rest in terms of mentality, playing style, personnel, managers, grounds, crowds and - well - everything. Now, by these measures, it seems big clubs are relatively indistinguishable. They are also becoming increasingly less distinctive when compared with Milan, Real Madrid, Barcelona, etc, etc. I'm a little sadddened by that in a game where characteristics and identities count for so much. Or do we just have too many players? Bigger squads; squad rotation; players rested for cup-ties; more and more subs - all of which means we tend to think less of full-strength teams and more of the best approach to each game. Pragmatic but less glamorous; progressive – and just like the idea of a flexible workforce – hard to argue against. Nonetheless I’m not sure if it adds to the pleasure I derive from being interested in football. On that note you may recall how, in another thread, I mentioned the furore that accompanied Leeds sending a weakened team to Derby on Easter Monday 1970. Here’s the results and line-ups from that day. The Leeds team stands out like a sore thumb. Injuries and suspensions apart, all the other teams are pretty much as you’d expect (and I don't mean Stirling bleedin' Albion):
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2009 20:58:12 GMT
Royal Marines 1 Exeter Civil Service 2. Dire first half which made me question my sanity over being there in the first place as well as why I've wasted a lifetime on this pointless activity when I should have been devoting myself to something more worthy and profound. The second half, however, was much better.
Two talking points...
Firstly, Aberdare's finest - Jason Rees - is now captain of Exeter Civil Service. Consequently the toss was delayed as he stood on the touchline putting out his ciggy.
Secondly, this was deep in the heart of the Easter Ground Hop and was watched by a crowd of over 400, around a hundred of whom seemed interested in the game. Mr Barmcake was there - of course - but as this was only game 287 I fear he's been slipping a bit recently.
I chose to sit in the stand at Endurance Park - which enjoys fine views towards Woodbury Common - away from the main Hopper tittle-tattle. I was, nonetheless, treated to the sight of an individual doodling for the first 15 minutes without barely taking a glance at the game. It transpired he was drawing each team's strip on his pre-printed team sheet (of which, I'm sure, he has bulk supplies). Later I noticed he was recording the time of every corner. I've not seen this before and can only say: fair play, each to his own!
Another talking point, had I partaken, would have been the curry tent. An amazing number of people seemed to be tucking away. Would it work at Plainmoor?
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Post by sam on Apr 10, 2009 21:45:12 GMT
On my way to see friends at Uplyme, I took in Axminster v. Ottery this morning. 4-1 to Axminster. It was like a throwback to the 70's with Merson type tackles which today would warrant a straight red. Two should have gone. The hoppers were there making the gate a record for the club, 358. Ground hopping is absolutely an eccentric English past time. Completely bonkers. There was conversations about why the Kent County League has an odd number of teams in the top divisions; what an excellent film The Deadwood Stage was starring Doris Day etc. But I cut them dead with the revelation that Plainmoor is the only professional/ perhaps even part time ground in the country with both dug outs in the same half of the pitch. This provided a stunned reaction. You could almost hear their brains whirring as they took this in, no doubt another interesting tidbit to dine out on. I also said that Dittisham United had probably the most picturesque ground in the country. Well I did my bit for the tourism industry - I feel rather pleased with myself. Had a ice cream with flake with 100s and 1000s on top on the Cobb at Lyme Regis. All in all a rather nice footballing day. Life in the fast lane or what.
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Post by merse on Apr 11, 2009 7:06:59 GMT
Royal Marines 1 Exeter Civil Service 2. I chose to sit in the stand at Endurance Park - What an aptly named "stadium" in which to sit amongst all those social misfits!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2009 8:21:39 GMT
Ground hopping is absolutely an eccentric English past time. Completely bonkers. There was conversations about why the Kent County League has an odd number of teams in the top divisions; what an excellent film The Deadwood Stage was starring Doris Day etc......All in all a rather nice footballing day. Life in the fast lane or what. Yes, an eccentric English pastime...with the odd visitor from Germany, Holland and Scandinavia. There's also something of the village fete atmosphere about the Hop with stalls, food and people chatting in small groups. As Sam hints, you overhear detailed football chat as well as conversations about all manner of quirky topics. The activity seems to attract the single-tracked bore just as much as the more-rounded multi-obsessive who may be keen on football, running, cricket, film, beer, politics and the whole bloody kaboodle... ...and you'll never see so many little red books suddenly appear each time there's a substitution, booking, goal or any other recordable incident. One topic of discussion yesterday was the whereabouts of Wolfie who hasn't been seen for a while. If my memory is correct, Wolfie is the character who wouldn't "count" a game unless he touched the match ball (there are others who don't count goalless draws whilst some insist upon touching all four corner flags and both crossbars to "log" a game). Apparently Wolfie, who was also prone to record the time of his first contact with the ball, didn't enjoy Hops because there was competition to touch the ball as well as skulduggery designed to prevent him from making contact. Wolfie was first pointed out to me on one of his more successful days at Liskeard about ten years ago when he managed to touch the ball after after about 15 seconds. Later in the game he beat off competition to hop over the wall and chase the ball along the road. Now this was a bloke aged about forty-five at the time.... Maybe Hops are best sampled by the odd game - rather than the whole seven matches - and it all finishes at Buckland Athletic v Witheridge at 6.30pm today.
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Post by merse on Apr 11, 2009 10:56:35 GMT
It was like a throwback to the 70's with Merson type tackles which today would warrant a straight red. There were one or two that warranted that at the time too I might add. Definitely a dinosaur of a certain age mate, it's the skillful ones who get the plaudits these days Sam, and rightly so!
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