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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2009 20:53:04 GMT
(DT) didn’t rock the boat at the start – but did start digging around. Apparently Dave has files and files of stuff on Roberts that was never used.....I was surprised to hear that Dave received terrible abuse for months from supporters who refused to see any bad in Roberts and accused Dave and the Herald of damaging the club with groundless moaning – which could not be further from the truth. He had made absolutely sure of his ground before publishing anything and always had the best interests of the club at heart. With allegations of creditors' complaints being "edited out" of the local press website (shades of the old HE "blue pencil" policy here), Beer allegedly owing thousands to local South Devon businesses and "hiding" from the bailiffs by staying away from his "rented flat"; Their local paper is caught between a rock and a hard place when people write stuff on there that might be considered slanderous by the subject of the posting. Not sure where the liability of such statements sits, but when it comes-down it, I would consider that it is a potential legal minefield if I was an editor/ legal advisor then perhaps I would decide that it is "better safe than sorry"? Three well-put observations which say much about the delicate relationship between local newspapers and football clubs. There's many a fine line to cross in deciding what to publish - or not - and when. From a punter's perspective, the modus operandi is rarely clear and seems to turn with the tide. I guess that's journalism and newspapers - a mixture of news, the so-called "truth" (whatever that might be) and a whole host of legal, commercial and operational considerations. And, of course, the arrival of the "interactive message board" makes it all the more curious alongside the increasing pleas for readers to come up with the goods: Do you know Stephen Beer? If so, call the Herald Express newsdesk on 01803 676223 or e-mail newsdesk@heraldexpress.co.uk. I'm not sure what people want of their local paper. It's an impossibility for everything is reported at the earliest opportunity in a wholly "transparent" way. Life doesn't quite work like that. And where does opinion become news and visa versa? There are those who want the Herald to splash BUCKLE MUST GO! headlines across the back page practically each time we lose a game together with news of every training ground fall out. Hmm, not sure about that myself. The Herald has been tabloidised enough, thank you. Ultimately the Herald probably handled the Roberts Affair just about right. I e-mailed material to Dave Thomas early in the process and his reply gave the impression the paper was on to something and was being guided by its legal team. It doesn't surprise me he eventually gathered more material than was ever used. But it took time and, initially, I understand Dave Thomas used all manner of contacts - without success - to try to establish Roberts' football past. There must have been little to damn the man within the game so harder evidence had to emerge. And, on the topic of newspapers, how do people feel about how football is covered locally and nationally? I actually think the Herald Express, Western Morning News (much improved) and the Sunday Independent (faults and all) do a decent job. As for the nationals we're generally getting the sports coverage we could only have dreamed about a few years back. Mind you, that's not true for every paper and the papers I like most for news (and other stuff) are still the ones I rate the most highly for sport. I guess that's both habit and outlook. I did say I’d love to have a look through so I could write a book on it – but I think he thought I was joking. Well, Jon, if you do I'll be in the queue for your book-signing at the Torbay Bookshop in Paignton. I'm sure it will become a minor cult classic. But would it sell? There's always self-publishing if Harper Collins are sniffy. Do other posters read football books? I've enjoyed reading about football for as long as I've been interested in the game and - on balance - I believe the game has a better literature than it did in the past. The Fever Pitch/Sportspages/fanzine era helped and created such an explosion of football titles that it got out of hand for a while. But, on the other hand, there were some cracking football books back in the 1960s and 1970s when the chattering classes and critics wouldn't touch the game with a bargepole. Received wisdom says Fever Pitch changed all that. It's not a bad book - it has a reference to Maurice Cox and I believe I was on the same coach as Nick Hornby going from Bournemouth to Southampton v Arsenal in 1971 - but I was never sure what all the fuss was about. My theory is that being written by a well-connected person - who just happened to support Arsenal - greatly helped. Jon could have written something far better about TUFC but I'm sure it wouldn't have been turned into film. Any favourite football books to recommend? And what about football magazines? They're always in WH Smith but who buys them?
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Post by merse on Mar 13, 2009 21:15:55 GMT
Any favourite football books to recommend? And what about football magazines? They're always in WH Smith but who buys them? I'd recommend Stan Ternent's autobiography as the funniest such book I've ever read.....................particularly the chapter that describes Bury's "triumphal" open bus tour of the town to deserted streets when they won promotion ~ Man Utd were playing at home just down the road!
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Post by andygulls on Mar 14, 2009 8:19:50 GMT
Top of my list is My Father and other working class football heroes by Gary Imlach An excellent read from a fine journalist charting the path of his father as a professional footballer and later coach through the 50's and 60's and into the 70's. You are taken along a voyage of discovery as a son traces his fathers journey though a footballing life.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2009 10:13:02 GMT
I'd recommend Stan Ternent's autobiography as the funniest such book I've ever read.....................particularly the chapter that describes Bury's "triumphal" open bus tour of the town to deserted streets when they won promotion ~ Man Utd were playing at home just down the road! And doesn't he come across as a wonderfully obnoxious bugger? There's something of the " I'm not here to be liked" feel to Stan's story which - in the fashion of newspapers of yesteryear - could be decribed as "rollocking good read" about lower divsion football. Enjoy it, grin, grimace and pass it on to Oxfam afterwards. Top of my list is My Father and other working class football heroes by Gary ImlachAn excellent read from a fine journalist charting the path of his father as a professional footballer and later coach through the 50's and 60's and into the 70's. You are taken along a voyage of discovery as a son traces his fathers journey though a footballing life. Yes, I'd go along with this. It's still on my shelves - as a book enjoyed and appreciated - and won't be finding its way to the Oxfam skip at Sainsburys in Alphington just yet.
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Post by ospelgull on Mar 16, 2009 6:54:48 GMT
I found Floodlit Dreams and Left Foot In The Grave two excellent books to read.
One Hit Wonder written by Jimmy Glass was also worth the money!
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Post by chrish on Mar 16, 2009 9:15:24 GMT
The Stan Ternant book is a fanstastic read. The open top bus story is fabulous as is Ronnie Jepson's bingo altercation in Magaluf.
I think the Damned United by David Peace is a wonderful book. It's a very clever use of historial events and what the author thought the real Brian Clough was like. Another one well worth the read is "She stood there laughing" by Stephen Foster. Its all about a complete mess at Stoke City.
Other's I've enjoyed reading are.
"The Keeper of Dreams" by German ex-Barnsley Keeper Lars Leese.
"Who ate all the pies" by Mickey Quinn
"Steak Diana Ross" by David McVay.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2009 18:59:00 GMT
Good recommendations, Chris.
Damned United was absolutely gripping and reminds me of the summer between doing my A levels and starting university. I turned up at Elland Road at the start of October and he'd bloody gone. Apparently John Giles managed to get something taken out of the second edition (according to an interview in the Guardian last week anyway).
She stood there laughing - if you think there's been too many "journal of a lifelong fan" type efforts make an exception for this one. Stoke is one of those clubs which is just about perfect for this type of treatment.
Mickey Quinn - I'm appalled with myself that I found this book so hugely enjoyable. Should have been the Book at Bedtime on Radio 4. Vulgar, crude - I bet Oxfam sold my old copy in about five minutes. He's a wag, that Mickey....
Lars Leese - an unusual book about an unusual story. One of those it's easy to put back on the shelf and miss a treat in the process. Unknown German keeper plays in the Premier League.....
Ospel's Floodlit Dreams - I don't normally re-read books but I wouldn't mind another look at this one in the context of events at Weymouth.
Two from me on Dutch football: Brilliant Orange by David Winner (much better than his later work on English football) and Ajax, the Dutch, the war by Simon Kuper (in the wake of his marvellous Football Against the Enemy).
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Post by merse on Mar 16, 2009 19:17:16 GMT
Floodlit Dreams - I don't normally re-read books but I wouldn't mind another look at this one in the context of events at Weymouth. I've managed to re-locate this book and I'm currently re-reading it.....................fascinating in the light of recent events! Damned United, remains in my possession as yet unread but I'll find the time soon!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2009 19:17:20 GMT
And - somewhere in this feature from yesterday's NLP - a suggestion from Ricey: I believe my blue United silk scarf may still be lying in the back of some b*****d Pompey supporters drawer as it was whipped off my wrist (remember, we tied them round our wrists cos we had the knitted ones knotted round the neck!) after we beat them 2-1 in October 1979....we were walking to Cary park to be picked up by parents when a group approached us, skinheaded bovver boys as most following Portsmouth seemed to be those days, and demanded our scarves. My friend came out with the classic, oft repeated line, 'You can't have mine, my Mum knitted it for me!' (Sorry Shaun...). Showing a modicum of compassion, or disbelief, they whipped my silk one instead never to be seen again.. You could ask Shaun North?
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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Mar 16, 2009 20:21:13 GMT
All those "hooligan memoirs" are dreadful. I admit to having the Paul Dodd (of Carlisle United) effort at the turn of the millenium, but I read a lot of football (although that is a "football book" in the loosest sense) books around the time. Looking in the sports section at Watertones there seem to be about 20 books along the same lines - making mugs out of the impressionable and misguided!
All Played Out - Story of Italia '90 (Pete Davies) is a favorite and worth a read. Gives a great insight to a tournament that made me think we were one of the best teams in the world as a kid.
The Greatest Footballer You Never Saw (The Robin Friday story) is fantastic, I've never seen any television football footage of him but I can imagine his flair - I bet some posters saw him play at Plainmoor back in the 70's. Tragic story.
Left Foot in the Grave - great book by a really decent chap. Lucky enough to have got him to sign my copy. Still think about the administrative error that Nelson revealed that meant Sean Farrell's signing didn't go through - he ended-up playing in Notts County's promotion team and scoring 20 odd goals for them!
A biography on Dixie Dean was eye-opening for me as to how different football was in yesteryear - the old cliche of the players travelling to the matches on the bus with the supporters! It couldn't have been more different to the "Hand of God" offering about one of my favorite ever players - Maradonna!
The aforementioned "Who Ate All the Pies" and "Damned United" are also favorite reads. When I picked up the Damned a few months ago I had a couple of mornings with very blurry eyes due to the late night reading!
I'd be interested in reading Winstone Bogarde's autobiography (although I'd have to learn how to speak Dutch first!!). He makes no bones about the fact that he simply stuck-out his contract in the reserves and youth team making only 11 appearances in 4 years - earning over 15m euros in the process! Couldn't have happend to a nicer club...
I always used to look forward to the News of the World Football book every summer as a kid - that was as sure fire way to know that the pre-season was around the corner!
I've also got Geoff Thomas and Lee Sharpe (the latter being a £1 purchase!) to read. I'll also put some of my Amazon vouchers to good use to buy the Gary Imlach and ian Ridley efforts, such are the great reviews on here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2009 21:14:22 GMT
On the subject of Robin Friday:
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Post by longeatongull on Mar 16, 2009 21:21:36 GMT
Robin Friday......what a player!! I grew up in Reading and he used to roll out of the Spread Eagle (pub opposite the old Elm Park) at 2.30 and then go and play like bloody George Best. Trying to remember (age I suppose)---but he went to Cardiff (?) and sadly passed away .......sure someone can remind me. cheers
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2009 21:40:39 GMT
It couldn't have been more different to the "Hand of God" offering about one of my favorite ever players - Maradonna! Is that the Jimmy Burns book? I was totally absorbed by it together with his Barca. There's been some great stuff written about South American football. Liked the one on Garrincha a year or three back - what a story! - but if there's one to recommend I'd go for Futebol: the Brazilian Way of Life by Alex Bellos. It gives a real insight into Brazil - religion, politics, migration, ritual, superstition, poverty, indigenous peoples - through its football. And, if you want to know more about football back in the sixties, try getting an old copy of Arthur Hopcraft's The Football Man. I read it when I was fifteen and it opened my eyes to there being rather more to football books than the Topical Times Annual:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2009 21:53:09 GMT
Robin Friday......what a player!! I grew up in Reading and he used to roll out of the Spread Eagle (pub opposite the old Elm Park) at 2.30 and then go and play like bloody George Best. Trying to remember (age I suppose)---but he went to Cardiff (?) and sadly passed away .......sure someone can remind me. cheers I'm not sure if we should believe all that's in the Wikipedia article about the man, especially his performance against Tranmere: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_FridayCitation needed? I'm not surprised..
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Post by ospelgull on Mar 16, 2009 22:21:07 GMT
The biography of Sir Tom Finney(The Preston Plummer) is also a great read!
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