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Post by Dave on Mar 8, 2009 12:11:03 GMT
I think we all agreed in the end, that the main reason we stopped enjoying the good results in the second half of last season, that we enjoyed in the first half, was mainly down to not having a plan B.
Teams by Christmas had worked out we could only play one way, or the manager only wanted the team to play one way, you can make your own minds up what was the case. As a result teams just set theirs up to deal with the threat we had that was working well for us and we failed to change our tactics and style of play and as a direct result we where no longer the force we were.
We have still really only been playing much the same way this season, just looking to hit high balls up to Sills to try and flick on as there is not much else he can really do with balls being pumped up high to him.
In yesterdays game when we had to go off, we did not see any changes made in the way we played the game, we just pumped high balls up to Green instead, he was never going to win any of the balls Sills might have got his head on.
Surely it has to be a case of playing to any players strengths? some said they felt Green came inside to much during the game when Sills was on the pitch. lets be fair he is not a winger and I'm sure Merse will just claim that by coming inside more, he has gone against the instructions given to him by bucks. Merse felt it was the reason he was taken of against Coventry, but as he was our best and most effective player on the pitch that day, I can't buy that argument.
Some also felt Wroe did fine defensively, but did not give much support to our forwards and if that was the case, then when Sills went off, unless Green is expected to keep coming short to get a pass from Wroe, and that will mean it he will always have the defenders behind him and on his back, we need to be able to play a different style.
If Sills is not in the team or has to go off and we then have to have Green as the main man up front it is no good just pumping high balls up to him. The midfield need to advance further up the pitch and be looking for those good through balls played along the ground and between defenders, so the likes of Green can use his pace to get in behind and hopefully get in on goal.
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Post by merse on Mar 8, 2009 13:07:13 GMT
Surely it has to be a case of playing to any players strengths? some said they felt Green came inside to much during the game when Sills was on the pitch. lets be fair he is not a winger and I'm sure Merse will just claim that by coming inside more, he has gone against the instructions given to him by bucks. Merse felt it was the reason he was taken of against Coventry, but as he was our best and most effective player on the pitch that day, I can't buy that argument.  No I didn't say that Dave! Following the TV coverage from Oxford I pointed out that Leroy had observed Buckle's displeasure with Green not sticking to his instruction to play up tight on the Oxford right back and not to get too involved in tracking back to protect Nicholson and added my own observation that if it was tracking back he wanted, Buckle would have selected Dsane in that position over Green. I don't recall making any guess over Green's substitution in the Coventry game and rather think it was more to do with preserving his fitness (tired players pick up hamstring and thigh strains more easily) than any sense of dissatisfaction from the manager of Green's contribution. I DID suggest that his subsequent exclusion from the side might well be because the player was struggling to put into practice what was being worked on during training - namely something that a different player was showing more adeptness at carrying out and therefore getting the nod over him when the lineup was decided upon. When marking a wide player, a fullback will always try to "show him outside" because he knows,and everybody else knows; just what the "winger" will do next....................cross the ball and they can thus set themselves to defend the cross; whilst if he gets inside the player's next move is pure guesswork - will he shoot, will he pass? They don't know, so setting up the next form of defence is therefore more prone to error and conceding a goal. It's a basic tenet of defending properly and every coach from time immemorial has educated young defenders to develop that side to their game. Therefore Green's tendency to regularly get inside his opponent is both the correct one and a product of his good schooling in the game. |
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Post by Dave on Mar 8, 2009 21:44:55 GMT
I DID suggest that his subsequent exclusion from the side might well be because the player was struggling to put into practice what was being worked on during training - Yes that is what you said and there may lie the problem as to why we are not beating the teams we should be beating. You saw how good green played in the Coventry game as you were there to watch it. You saw the players real strengths and what he could do best for the team. So surely the training concerning our forward play should be featured around what Green does best if you are planning to play him in the team? it comes down to what we have talked abort before, does Bucks choose a style of play to suit his players, or makes the players play a style that suits Bucks. We know Green was not dropped because he failed to grasp something Bucks was working on in training, green did not even make the bench, after a man of the match display in the Coventry game. green sure has had to try and do a job out on the Left that he is not really suited too and a position that does not allow him to play his natural game, one that would be more beneficial to the team if Bucks played the players in their best positions. |
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Post by Dave on Mar 10, 2009 23:31:50 GMT
Well after the way the team lined up today and the substitution that Bucks made, do you think we can call this a proper plan B now, It goes along way for me and it got the result required in the end. You have to score more than the other team to win and that is what we did, stopped them from getting a goal and nicked one ourselves at the final whistle.
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Post by mattgulls on Mar 11, 2009 12:44:43 GMT
Dare I suggest that the last gasp goal merely papered over the cracks…
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Post by merse on Mar 11, 2009 15:07:25 GMT
Dare I suggest that the last gasp goal merely papered over the cracks… What cracks? Why look for them? Why glass half empty? Cheer up you misery and recognise that no less than TEN wins on the road is exceptional in any circumstances! |
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Post by jmgull on Mar 11, 2009 16:21:20 GMT
Dare I suggest that the last gasp goal merely papered over the cracks… There's always one....  Andrex is good for papering ones crack matt, i reckon it could work either end in your case. |
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Post by aussie on Mar 11, 2009 19:12:21 GMT
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Post by mattgulls on Mar 11, 2009 19:24:26 GMT
Oh ha-ha Jim how witty…u really do crack  me up! How dare I suggest that Buckle does not have a plan B…. how silly of me. Interestingly, Burton have also won ten games away from home and somehow (prior to their game in hand tonight) also have twelve points more than us. It is not the case though that Buckle does not have a plan B, and can’t handle the pressure games, and can’t work out how to break down teams when they sit back away from home. I should be ashamed of even suggesting such nonsense. In all seriousness I think despite the problems which are all too evident at times, we are good enough to go up. Indeed I think if Bucks uses the squad in the right way, and the players perform as they can we could challenge Burton. I will also give EVERYONE involved my full support as we strive for this. I was simply suggesting that one brilliant last minute goal, does not equate to suddenly finding a plan B. |
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Post by andygulls on Mar 11, 2009 21:00:46 GMT
Dare I suggest that the last gasp goal merely papered over the cracks… What cracks? Why look for them? Why glass half empty? Cheer up you misery and recognise that no less than TEN wins on the road is exceptional in any circumstances! As indeed winning less than half your home games is Merse? No need to be selective with the stats is there?  |
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Post by jmgull on Mar 11, 2009 23:03:03 GMT
Oh ha-ha Jim how witty…u really do crack me up! How dare I suggest that Buckle does not have a plan B…. how silly of me. Interestingly, Burton have also won ten games away from home and somehow (prior to their game in hand tonight) also have twelve points more than us. It is not the case though that Buckle does not have a plan B, and can’t handle the pressure games, and can’t work out how to break down teams when they sit back away from home. I should be ashamed of even suggesting such nonsense. In all seriousness I think despite the problems which are all too evident at times, we are good enough to go up. Indeed I think if Bucks uses the squad in the right way, and the players perform as they can we could challenge Burton. I will also give EVERYONE involved my full support as we strive for this. I was simply suggesting that one brilliant last minute goal, does not equate to suddenly finding a plan B. Matt Just my little juvenile joke mate, no offence meant;) I just can't understand why some people spend most of their time following the gulls and expecting some kind of football perfection.......we have just recorded yet another fine away win against a decent'ish side despite being without some key players, whats to be miserable about? How can you complain about a Plan B when the manager makes 4 changes, completely changes the formation and yet still achieves a clean sheet and one of his substitutions nicks the winner. Players at this level just arent capable of completely changing systems mid-game, these are human beings of various football experience and intelligence, it is all some of them can do to remember basic instructions before the game let alone remember some Plan B, C or D if it doesnt quite work right. At the highest level maybe, on Champ manager certainly.......but in the BSP........its a tweak or two and 3 substitutions - sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. |
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Post by merse on Mar 12, 2009 4:10:11 GMT
What cracks? Why look for them? Why glass half empty? Cheer up you misery and recognise that no less than TEN wins on the road is exceptional in any circumstances! As indeed winning less than half your home games is Merse? No need to be selective with the stats is there? I'm not being "selective with the stats" because, quite frankly; stats in football bore me. Football is played out on the day, between human beings who can err in their decision making, drop below their capabilities in their execution of technique and fall victim to the excellence on the day of the opposition or the short comings of the match officials. The stats you are so fond of are diligently researched, and I respect you for compiling them, but to be honest here Andy; I just scroll on whenever I see them just as I do with those interminable prediction league postings and now the excruciating repetition of the Popside and "steward number so and so looked at me in a funny way" bleating. There are certain posters (and they are entitled to their views) who will forever want to find something negative to pick up on, yearn for the comparative trust to flair (or was it luck?) of a previous management; and champion the cause for selection of clearly inferior and less effective players purely through their own sense of altruism. Far better in my opinion to take the stance of JMGull in a later post than your's last night and underline the actualitie of just who a manager is working with in this level of football and therefore the limitations of expectancy we should have. I know some modern day managers set great store on various computer driven stats programmes and employ great teams of people to compile them, I'd far prefer to employ a manager who has an eye for a player, the ability to assess the opposition and the awareness of the street fighter in his locker. One who can spot a selfish, self focussed player, BEFORE he signs him and should that discovery occur after he has been signed; move quickly to marginalise and eventually move out such characters. I believe we have such a manager in Paul Buckle and that's why I emphasised the exceptional away record as to me, it represents a perfect example of what HAS been achieved so far and gives me confidence that OUR team can assert itself in the forthcoming visits to Stevenage and Burton which could well define our season. |
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Post by Dave on Mar 12, 2009 6:26:58 GMT
So you just scroll on by then Merse? it must be after you have stopped to put six posts in one day on the thread,so not really a true statement is it, to say you scroll on by, And we all love Andys charts and facts and figures don't lie, do they? |
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Post by merse on Mar 12, 2009 16:21:01 GMT
and now the excruciating repetition of the Popside and "steward number so and so looked at me in a funny way" bleating. Dave, I would have thought that the words "and now" would have given some sort of clue as to the date I decided to scroll on in relation to the tedious thread concerned. It's really all in the reading if you would only take the time to read and digest just what is written in those words! |
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Post by Dave on Mar 12, 2009 16:29:08 GMT
and now the excruciating repetition of the Popside and "steward number so and so looked at me in a funny way" bleating. Dave, I would have thought that the words "and now" would have given some sort of clue as to the date I decided to scroll on in relation to the tedious thread concerned. It's really all in the reading if you would only take the time to read and digest just what is written in those words! As there are 174 posts made on that thread and only four made after you made your last post on it, you sure took your time to come to the conclusion it was a tedious thread |
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