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Post by forevertufc on Feb 16, 2009 20:07:58 GMT
these last few days gulls fans have had mixed views on buckle and wether the team is good enough to even make the play-offs. i stumbled across a thread on another site where fans of many different bsp clubs seem to think we are nailed on for the play-offs. so my question's are why do they feel more confident in our team than we do ? and are they right ? www.nonleaguefootballlive.com/forum/index.php?topic=2280.0
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Post by Dave on Feb 16, 2009 20:17:48 GMT
I can't really say that I do feel that confident at this time, unlike this time last season when I believed we would go up as champions, or by the play-offs and not going up was anything I even considered. Our form has not been as good as we would hope and it will need to improve and in my view Bucks needs to play some players who now seem out of favour with him, I have always taken the view, that personal feeling must be put aside and the very best team possible put out on the pitch, the club has to come first. If we do that I see not reason why we should not reach the play -offs, winning them will be the hardest part as we found out last year. At the end of the day it will come down to Bucks getting the team, tactics and substitutions correct, if he does that then I'll see you at Wembley
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Post by tufc01 on Feb 16, 2009 20:43:48 GMT
these last few days gulls fans have had mixed views on buckle and wether the team is good enough to even make the play-offs. i stumbled across a thread on another site where fans of many different bsp clubs seem to think we are nailed on for the play-offs. so my question's are [glow=Yellow,2,300]why do they feel more confident in our team than we do ? and are they right ?[/glow] www.nonleaguefootballlive.com/forum/index.php?topic=2280.0I can tell you one good reason why they feel more confident in our team than YOU do. Thats because they have seen us play against their own team and if you were to go through all the teams in this league, with the exception of the stumble early on in the season, there are not many who we have played who can honestly say they played us off the park and deserved to win. Another factor that supports this 'having seen us play' theme, is why the biggest & loudest anti-Buckle poster on this site HASN'T seen us play this season. On that particular link there were comments from the fans of; Wrexham (played them off the park at their place, they were lucky to get a draw), Cambridge (beat them 1 nil, again at their place), Rushden (Murdered them, at their place) , Oxford (deservedly beat them 2 nil in the cup and a draw in the league game). The thing that links all of these together is that these fans HAVE SEEN US PLAY. They form their opinions on this, much like we have about the opposition we have seen. They have no hidden agenda, no need to be wind up Merchants etc, they are saying it as they see it. As for me i am VERY confident that we will make the play-offs, and not just scrape in either.
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Post by Budleigh on Feb 16, 2009 20:54:19 GMT
Well said tufc01... I think it's always easy to criticise your own... sometimes it takes an outsider to put a balanced perspective on things... Let's all get behind the team, the players, the manager and enjoy the ride whatever it finally brings!
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Post by forevertufc on Feb 16, 2009 20:57:13 GMT
i think i should just point out ,that the first question i ask,was formed from what i hear fans saying while at matchs ,and what i have read on both forums its the vast majoirty dont have much confidence.
i do think the team are in a great postion and think the team will make the play-offs ,like most i am concerned about the ratio between chances created and goals scored just missing to many right now .
having said that ,i was just saying to my son today who also comes to the games with me ,that should we play either cambridge or kiddie in a paly-off semi and put away just half the chances we had in the league games ,the tie would be done and dusted.
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Post by Budleigh on Feb 16, 2009 21:01:08 GMT
I think that the chances created as a ratio to goals scored may soon resolve itself with a little extra work on the training ground... I'm sure it's an issue that will be addressed... fingers crossed!
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Post by Dave on Feb 16, 2009 21:06:00 GMT
Yes we are missing to many and should be scoring more goals than we are, but i would worry far more if we were not creating those chances. Sills needs to work on his shooting that I do know, but he got two goals on Saturday and that just maybe what was needed for him to start putting more away.
benyon always looks like scoring and while its now well know that I'm a Green fan and would want him to start,maybe its time to give Sills and benyon a few games and see how it turns out.
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Post by forevertufc on Feb 16, 2009 21:14:29 GMT
agree with the sentiments in the above posts ,however i do see where the lack of confidence in some fans come's from these missed chances have going on for some time now.
and saturday despite completely dominanting the game ,it was a pen and keeper error that won it in the end.
and before any one shouts me down ,both errors were forced by benyon who would not give up on any throw ball so well done to him
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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Feb 16, 2009 21:20:05 GMT
I'm not exactly 100% confident that we will reach the play-offs, but my expectation is for us to do so - if that makes sense! I would say that it will be a total lottery in the play-offs and I really do think that it could be any of the teams that comes-out as the winner.
As TUFC01 says, many of the other supporters of the "rival" clubs have seen us play at our best against them - none of the current top 6 have beaten us in 7 games we have played against them (obviously we haven't played te cream of the crop in Burton yet!!).
Our lamest perfomances have come against Ebbesfleet, Salisbury, Weymouth, Eastbourne and Crawley - only Crawley look like threatening the play-offs out of those teams. It's crtainly better than losing to the play-off rivals. Perhaps Kidderminster are the only team that has bettered us (in the match towards the start of the season - I thought we looked better than them at the most recent fixture).
The most important thing to remember that we have been through a period of poor form (by our reasonable expectations) and we are still one of the teams that is very well placed to cement a spot if they can turn their games in-hand to points on the board and maintain a reasonably consistent race towards the line. As we know, it doesn't matter we finish 2nd or 4th - we need to be in good form hitting the play-offs to give us a reasonable chance of getting promotion. Having a "chop and change" for the last few games saw us defeated by Cambridge, Rushden and Crawley and we were faced Exeter short on confidence and despite sneaking the first leg, we showed no resilience whatsoever.
Despite the disappointment of the Weymouth performance in which we got what we deserved ,we have to recognise that there will be set-backs along the way and move-on. I was non-plussed enough to leave early, but didn't join-in the boo'ing or any cat-calls towards any of the players - this team can play poorly one week but can be vasly improved the next week and that is very much the case for many BSP teams and we just have to accept that this is the case. We just need to ensure that we regain the momentum we showed up until the Eastborne match and we have as good a chance as anyone.
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Post by Dave on Feb 16, 2009 21:26:29 GMT
At this stage of the season and a play-off place to fight for, I don't care how they go in, they can be ugly, scrappy or just bloody Lucky ones ;D the point will aways be that if you create more you have to increase you chances of scoring and the first part we are doing.
I do know that Bucks is getting the team working hard in training on their shooting and some game soon we will be putting six past some poor team who end up seeing more of our chances being converted into goals.
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Post by tufc01 on Feb 16, 2009 21:29:52 GMT
i think i should just point out ,that the first question i ask,was formed from what i hear fans saying while at matchs ,and what i have read on both forums its the [glow=yellow,2,300]vast majoirty dont have much confidence[/glow]. i do think the team are in a great postion and think the team will make the play-offs ,like most [glow=yellow,2,300]i am concerned about the ratio between chances created and goals scored [/glow]just missing to many right now . having said that ,i was just saying to my son today who also comes to the games with me ,that should we play either cambridge or kiddie in a paly-off semi and put away just half the chances we had in the league games ,the tie would be done and dusted. I disagree that 'the vast majority don't have much confidence'. As i said many months ago with this topic first raised its head, it may appear that the majority have no confidence because they are the ones voicing their opinion. It would be strange, however i am willing to do it, if i came on here EVERY night and said i have every confidence in Paul Buckle, i believe he is the right man for the job etc etc, you would think i was a right nut job, however at the moment that is my opinion, and probably the opinion of the VAST majority. I do AGREE about the ratio of shots to goals. I have expressed my concern at this over the last week or so. It is more the number of shots OFF target that i would like to see change. However, as someone as already mentioned, i am sure it will be addressed.
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Post by jerry on Feb 16, 2009 21:30:44 GMT
I think it's worth remembering, with all this talk of scoring problems, that we have the third best goals against record in the league. Only Kettering and Cambridge have conceded less and both of them have scored considerably less than us. Swings and roundabouts.
Football pundits will always tell you that it's the teams who concede the least that usually end up at the top of the table.
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Post by midlandstufc on Feb 16, 2009 21:50:13 GMT
For me -
I've had a good look at the position and yes, we could balls it up, but we can but hope and keep the faith. In my opinion we keep behind the team and the manager and we will get there. My predictions are - Wrexham Torquay Cambridge Kidderminster
Just hoping the Weymouth debacle does not happen again.
I would, however, not have confidence for the semi-play-offs but would have for a final! How wierd is that?
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Post by Dave on Feb 16, 2009 21:55:43 GMT
I have always felt the worst thing to happen was our great start to last season and simply because of one word EXPECTATION
The season before we went down, a club in ruins and all because of one man, but fans were happy we still had a club and seemed happy to not expect to much in our first season in the BSP.
fans were saying we needed to rebuild the club from the bottom up and were looking at mid table as being a good achievement after such a disastrous last season as a league club. Some hoped we would maybe get into the play-offs in our second season in this league, but that great start in the first season, just got expectations far higher than they should have got.
Once again this season expectations are high and it seems to me that should we not reach the play-offs then some will say we failed again and should have done better.yes we all want out of this league and as fast as possible, we must not forget the mess our club was in and we need to look at the whole picture and that means how the club now is on and off the field.
I will be as sad as the next fan if we are still in this league next season, but I do know we will go back up and when we do it will be because the whole club is ready and able to then look to push on to an even higher league. Rome was not built in a day and the rebuilding of our club can't be either, we have come along way in a short time and should all really be pleased where we are and for me it feels far better than I know my Weymouth mates are feeling now.
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Post by andygulls on Feb 16, 2009 22:07:56 GMT
The reason why Torquay fans are less optimistic about our chances may rest in the fact that we have only won 8 of our 16 home fixtures on the league. This will also, in my view, be the single biggest reason for low attendances and the lack of confidence in the manager. Why do those seeing fewer games gain the perception that things are not going well? Take a look at the comparative tables below. We currently have a worse record than last season having played the same number of games. It has rightly been pointed out that our form against some of the top sides is good. But extend that analysis to those clubs currently in the top 10 and all with promotion aspirations and that picture looks mediocre at best. Despite what some would like us to believe it IS all about results. Let us hope we can deliver on the field. But confident I ain't!
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