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Post by bobgull on May 19, 2023 17:04:47 GMT
I was amazed earlier in the week by how many non Torquay fans (and even non football fans) who know my allegiance, kept telling me that we were going to avoid relegation because of Southend’s winding up order. Thankfully it wasn’t to be. Personally I wouldn’t have wanted us to receive a reprieve at the expense of another club. Reading this article by a Southend fan you can only have sympathy for them and pray that we are never in the same situation. medium.com/@jamieforsyth_82335/another-stay-of-execution-208f674e43d |
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Post by stig123 on May 19, 2023 17:26:15 GMT
NL should have 3 up 3 down.And the smaller clubs like Torquay and Southend should get more of the riches generated by the Premier League.
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Post by chelstongull on May 19, 2023 17:57:53 GMT
If Southend have cheated the taxman, then flogging them is the way forward coupled with relegation. They were paying ‘good’ players they couldn’t afford - cheating f**k**g bastards
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Post by plainmoorpete on May 19, 2023 18:12:04 GMT
And the smaller clubs like Torquay and Southend should get more of the riches generated by the Premier League. I don't think that's the answer. If you just hand out money to clubs the players and their agents will simply just ask for more resulting in wage inflation and no benefits what so ever. Anyway if you want to argue the Premier League should hand out money to the "smaller clubs" how far down the pyramid should they go? Should the Southern League clubs get some, the Western League, the SW peninsula League? To my mind there is only one practical solution to this problem and that is a hard salary cap, ie. each club in a particular division is restricted to spending the same amount of £Xs on their playing staff. That would help solve the problem of clubs spending beyond their means, but it won't be achieved just by handing out free money. As to the problem of clubs being badly run I don't know but that again will not be solved by free hand outs. |
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Post by plainmoorpete on May 19, 2023 18:14:19 GMT
If Southend have cheated the taxman, then flogging them is the way forward coupled with relegation. They were paying ‘good’ players they couldn’t afford - cheating f**k**g bastards Could you just elaborate on that a bit. By flogging them do you mean selling the club or actually flogging them as in taking a whip to them. |
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Post by chelstongull on May 19, 2023 18:19:08 GMT
If Southend have cheated the taxman, then flogging them is the way forward coupled with relegation. They were paying ‘good’ players they couldn’t afford - cheating f**k**g bastards Could you just elaborate on that a bit. By flogging them do you mean selling the club or actually flogging them as in taking a whip to them. Via the whip… |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2023 19:24:42 GMT
Goodness me Bob, you do live in a squeaky clean world!
First of all you have this fantasy about some bloody Phoenix club and now this. This is not a one off of tax avoidance, it’s almost a yearly ritual. We all like to outwit the tax man, (I’ve done it myself on many occasions) but if you get caught you must expect to pay the piper.
Fortunately for us, we have an owner who has honesty and integrity, who pays his dues. 🥹🫶
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Post by stig123 on May 19, 2023 20:07:37 GMT
Thanks plainmorepete..I support your idea of salary caps...despite the fact they have proven difficult to regulate and enforce.
My problem with the Premier League is that the revenue gained benefits foreign owners, foreign players and foreign owned media outlets
...none of which benefits the English game. Most of our Premier league teams are English in name only.
From this perspective, the health of lower league clubs...like Torquay..is probably a better barometer of the state of English football rather than Man City winning the European Cup.
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Post by Jon on May 19, 2023 21:31:56 GMT
I was amazed earlier in the week by how many non Torquay fans (and even non football fans) who know my allegiance, kept telling me that we were going to avoid relegation because of Southend’s winding up order. Bob, you are mixing up wanting Southend to be wound up with wanting them to be punished for flouting financial regulations. Do I want Southend to be wound up? Of course not. No true football fan would want to see fellow fans suffer that fate. Do I think they should be heavily penalised for fielding players they have not paid - or if they have paid the net pay, fleeced HMRC for the tax and NI deducted and the employer NI? Yes I do. The top 20 clubs abiding by the rules should stay up, the rest should be relegated. So that is Southend for breaching the rules plus Yeovil, Scunthorpe and Maidstone for not getting enough points. I would wish Southend all the very best in whatever league they are placed - Isthmian Premier or National League South. The fans deserve better, but shit happens when football clubs are run with property development as a priority and football as an afterthought. True Southend fans will stick by the club until it returns to where it deserves to be. The rest will take a break and jump back on the bandwagon in due course. |
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Post by bobgull on May 19, 2023 21:55:24 GMT
Goodness me Bob, you do live in a squeaky clean world! First of all you have this fantasy about some bloody Phoenix club and now this. This is not a one off of tax avoidance, it’s almost a yearly ritual. We all like to outwit the tax man, (I’ve done it myself on many occasions) but if you get caught you must expect to pay the piper. Fortunately for us, we have an owner who has honesty and integrity, who pays his dues. 🥹🫶 Goodness Blind Pew! Admitting to avoiding paying your dues to HMCR on many occasions. You do like to live dangerously! My sympathy is with the fans and the unpaid employees. It’s certainly not the owner who deserves to be held accountable and punished for his financial mismanagement. Whenever owners run clubs badly it’s always the fans that suffer. As I’ve posted before, owners come and go but it’s the fans of a club that are the constant. When clubs go into administration, or their colours or names are changed or when the club is relocated 60 miles away it’s the fans that are the receiving end. |
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Post by bobgull on May 19, 2023 22:11:32 GMT
Regarding the posts above on salary caps and money filtering down the pyramid from the Premier League and EFL…
If money filtered down wouldn’t that enable, for example, stadiums to be maintained to a better standard and academies to be run at lower levels. Wouldn’t this improve the quality of football and the match day experience in the lower tiers and steps of the pyramid?
At the same time a salary cap would ensure that there was a level playing field. This in turn would prevent owners overspending to gamble on promotion.
At the end of the day it comes down to better governance in football.
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Post by bobgull on May 20, 2023 6:33:34 GMT
I was amazed earlier in the week by how many non Torquay fans (and even non football fans) who know my allegiance, kept telling me that we were going to avoid relegation because of Southend’s winding up order. Bob, you are mixing up wanting Southend to be wound up with wanting them to be punished for flouting financial regulations. Do I want Southend to be wound up? Of course not. No true football fan would want to see fellow fans suffer that fate. Do I think they should be heavily penalised for fielding players they have not paid - or if they have paid the net pay, fleeced HMRC for the tax and NI deducted and the employer NI? Yes I do. The top 20 clubs abiding by the rules should stay up, the rest should be relegated. So that is Southend for breaching the rules plus Yeovil, Scunthorpe and Maidstone for not getting enough points. I would wish Southend all the very best in whatever league they are placed - Isthmian Premier or National League South. The fans deserve better, but shit happens when football clubs are run with property development as a priority and football as an afterthought. True Southend fans will stick by the club until it returns to where it deserves to be. The rest will take a break and jump back on the bandwagon in due course. Hi Jon, I accept and concede on your point regarding the rule breaking. As always your knowledge on these matters is first rate. However, having met a couple of the Shrimpers Trust in a TUST Zoom meeting earlier in the season and having read the piece by Jamie Forsyth I can’t but help have sympathy for the supporters. They have had no say in the running of their club yet will suffer the consequences of Ron Martin’s mismanagement. I’m sure that there will be Shrimpers fans who are as informed as yourself knowing that the Sword of Damocles hangs over them. Yet when did football authorities, whether it’s FIFA or the board of the National League, ever have the balls to make a difficult decision? |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2023 8:20:11 GMT
I was amazed earlier in the week by how many non Torquay fans (and even non football fans) who know my allegiance, kept telling me that we were going to avoid relegation because of Southend’s winding up order. Bob, you are mixing up wanting Southend to be wound up with wanting them to be punished for flouting financial regulations. Do I want Southend to be wound up? Of course not. No true football fan would want to see fellow fans suffer that fate. Do I think they should be heavily penalised for fielding players they have not paid - or if they have paid the net pay, fleeced HMRC for the tax and NI deducted and the employer NI? Yes I do. The top 20 clubs abiding by the rules should stay up, the rest should be relegated. So that is Southend for breaching the rules plus Yeovil, Scunthorpe and Maidstone for not getting enough points. I would wish Southend all the very best in whatever league they are placed - Isthmian Premier or National League South. The fans deserve better, but shit happens when football clubs are run with property development as a priority and football as an afterthought. True Southend fans will stick by the club until it returns to where it deserves to be. The rest will take a break and jump back on the bandwagon in due course. Little bit of a correction for you there Jon…don’t worry it’s not about football as such. Southend do not deserve to be anywhere other than where they are…we do not deserve to be anywhere other than where we are…I do not deserve to be anywhere other than where I am…you do not deserve to be anywhere other than where you are. Sniff…I was going to say a bit more but I was overcome by feelings of emotion for our owner (sniff), knowing that he has saved the lights from going out at Plainmoor (by paying the electric bill) and without fail paying the club’s taxes! 🫶🥹 |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2023 8:37:26 GMT
Bob, you are mixing up wanting Southend to be wound up with wanting them to be punished for flouting financial regulations. Do I want Southend to be wound up? Of course not. No true football fan would want to see fellow fans suffer that fate. Do I think they should be heavily penalised for fielding players they have not paid - or if they have paid the net pay, fleeced HMRC for the tax and NI deducted and the employer NI? Yes I do. The top 20 clubs abiding by the rules should stay up, the rest should be relegated. So that is Southend for breaching the rules plus Yeovil, Scunthorpe and Maidstone for not getting enough points. I would wish Southend all the very best in whatever league they are placed - Isthmian Premier or National League South. The fans deserve better, but shit happens when football clubs are run with property development as a priority and football as an afterthought. True Southend fans will stick by the club until it returns to where it deserves to be. The rest will take a break and jump back on the bandwagon in due course. Little bit of a correction for you there Jon…don’t worry it’s not about football as such. Southend do not deserve to be anywhere other than where they are…we do not deserve to be anywhere other than where we are…I do not deserve to be anywhere other than where I am…you do not deserve to be anywhere other than where you are. Sniff…I was going to say a bit more but I was overcome by feelings of emotion for our owner (sniff), knowing that he has saved the lights from going out at Plainmoor (by paying the electric bill) and without fail paying the club’s taxes! 🫶🥹 Oh, and I’ve just seen that the owner has just paid for the pitch to be totally ripped up and replaced…could TUST even afford to do that? Are we learning yet? 🦉 |
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Post by bobgull on May 20, 2023 9:47:59 GMT
Bob, you are mixing up wanting Southend to be wound up with wanting them to be punished for flouting financial regulations. Do I want Southend to be wound up? Of course not. No true football fan would want to see fellow fans suffer that fate. Do I think they should be heavily penalised for fielding players they have not paid - or if they have paid the net pay, fleeced HMRC for the tax and NI deducted and the employer NI? Yes I do. The top 20 clubs abiding by the rules should stay up, the rest should be relegated. So that is Southend for breaching the rules plus Yeovil, Scunthorpe and Maidstone for not getting enough points. I would wish Southend all the very best in whatever league they are placed - Isthmian Premier or National League South. The fans deserve better, but shit happens when football clubs are run with property development as a priority and football as an afterthought. True Southend fans will stick by the club until it returns to where it deserves to be. The rest will take a break and jump back on the bandwagon in due course. Little bit of a correction for you there Jon…don’t worry it’s not about football as such. Southend do not deserve to be anywhere other than where they are…we do not deserve to be anywhere other than where we are…I do not deserve to be anywhere other than where I am…you do not deserve to be anywhere other than where you are. Sniff…I was going to say a bit more but I was overcome by feelings of emotion for our owner (sniff), knowing that he has saved the lights from going out at Plainmoor (by paying the electric bill) and without fail paying the club’s taxes! 🫶🥹 Surely the point that Jon is making is that Southend do not deserve to be where they are because if the National League were to apply their own rules they would be penalised by having points deducted or by being relegated. |
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