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Post by bbcgull on Jan 18, 2009 14:47:47 GMT
Indeed the lack of games played may come back to haunt us and i do agree that it may be hard to keep with the pack but we have to believe, we had a winning run before and we can do it again. FA Torphy Wembley visit winners and Play Off Final Wembley Winners will siut me fine.
I, do, however think we can still win the league. I feel Burton will go for a burton.
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Post by daveshaw on Jan 18, 2009 14:58:07 GMT
Brett, i admire your optimism mate but really? As Merse rightly points out, the other teams are out to spoil our party. I have no confidence in Buckle. Where are the new players to nail on a playoff place? We need to be proactive and brave now. It's time to push the boat out, not sit and watch it sink!
For Burton to blow it now would take a Bucklesque bottle job. McFarland may be a lot of things but he's not an idiot. He will safely steer them to the title now.
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Post by merse on Jan 18, 2009 16:04:26 GMT
Buckle has failed to win 7 out of 14 home games. Much worse than any of our near rivals. This will be our downfall if he doesn't get his act together. Sadly that is your blinkered view of the situation. Had that been the way of thinking at Exeter or Burton in recent years I can think of two rather accomplished young managers who would not have been allowed to carry on the great work they were doing. Managers don't nick balls off people's toes, managers don't fluff easy chances; neither do they give silly goals away. Once that white line is crossed their influence is diminished and their fate is in other people's hands. If a man is diligently doing his job rather well you don't consign him to the bin on the errors or fortunes of others..................well not if you have an ounce of decency or common sense you don't!
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Post by daveshaw on Jan 18, 2009 16:30:31 GMT
Oh please Buckle chose the players and picks the team. He also coaches them in his desired mode of playing. He is responsible, that's what he's paid for. Merse i expect better of you than that pathetic effort.
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Post by capitalgull on Jan 18, 2009 17:20:36 GMT
Okay then Mr Shaw - I promised myself not to reply to your promptings of imminent doom again...BUT...
Who from the team that has lost three times in 27 games in all competitions would you be looking to replace?
Have you seen a big weak link during that run?
Who do you think might be interested in coming to Plainmoor with no guarantees of a first team spot straight away?
Who do you suggest we bring in, since you are obviously the expert on British non-league football being so 'tinpot', 'pub standard' or plain old 'crap'?
How many TUFC games have you seen (any means) this season?
What makes you think from so far away that the team we currently have now needs changing?
Are you basing your current posts on the negativity you presume occured in the second half of last season?
If you think Paul Buckle needs to be replaced, who do our fantastic board go and get? And how do they manage to pay off the rest of our managers contract in such testing financial times?
Just interested to see if you have any helpful answers rather than continue to spout the negative we have become accustomed to. And you will no doubt notice, despite mentioning our current strong long-term run of form, there is no Buckle hero-worshipping in this post...just some realistic questions for you.
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Post by Enzo on Jan 18, 2009 18:55:38 GMT
Jim I'm sure you are right mate, but is Buckle only going to be judged if he gets the team promoted? [glow=red,2,300]this is the hardest league to get out off and failure to do so after only one or two seasons, does not mean that Bucks is not up to the job. [/glow] Now there lies an interesting question? One I fear, should it happen, could potentially divided the support more than the Leroy one. In my opinion, it would be both unfair and unwise to get rid of PB merely because of a failure to get the club promoted after two seasons. I think it would be fair to say that he and the team he quickly assembled exceeded initial expectations last year.......and in the end he was a victim of his own success in raising expectations to an unrealistic level. When there is only one automatic promotion place the most us supporters can expect for is a play off place. Of course we can hope for more, but how often in our history have we finished top of our table? However, I do believe that considering the resources and support given to the Manager and the league we are playing in, a failure to secure a play off place this season would be tantamount to a sackable offence for Buckle. Once in the play offs one has to accept that they are a lottery and hope for the best. A play off spot this season would be viewed as a success in my eyes..............whatever subsequently happens, although it would rather get on my nerves if Buckle repeated his errors of last year when he suddenly thought he was a tactical genius, but just ended up sending a team out where individual players had no clue what they were supposed to do! I should add that I have every faith that we will make the play offs this year. It looks as though over the next few weeks we will slip out of them and some will panic, but we should be fine and if we don't something has gone seriously wrong and Buckle would have some pretty serious questions to answer because whatever anyone says, it is HIS responsibility. Some on here repeatedly give PB credit for our fine run and then hide behind individual players and rather bizarrely the fact that everyone wants to beat us (when has that not been the case??) when the results are not so good. I should also add that it may not necessarily be wise for the board to ditch PB if we do miss out on the Play Offs - I just think that if it were to happen the season should be viewed as a failure - whatever happens in the Trophy and FA Cup. Whenever the merits of PB are debated someone always chucks in the experience of Tisdale........and just now Nigel Clough. Did it take 5 years for City to get out of this league? Yet they kept faith and eventually went up. Is it relevant to the Buckle situation? I don't know - Did he enjoy the resources that Buckle has during his first two years? Were City not financially on their knees during these years? Maybe someone with knowledge can explain.
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merse
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Post by merse on Jan 18, 2009 19:28:02 GMT
Oh please Buckle chose the players and picks the team. He also coaches them in his desired mode of playing. He is responsible, that's what he's paid for. Merse i expect better of you than that pathetic effort. I think we'll leave it here then as we're on totally different wavelengths as you seem only to be in the business of looking for scapegoats...................thank God you're in such a tiny minority.
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Post by chrish on Jan 18, 2009 21:09:02 GMT
I really can't believe that I'm hearing this utter tripe once again. We're talking about a young manager with a season and a halves worth of experience. Although the table might not show it we are a much better side than last year. We've got a better squad of players with a skillset that allows the provision of different and more adaptable tactics. I think that the type of football we can play this year is a huge step forward.
Last season Buckle cobbled together a team in a very short space of time, he had to because we had hardly any players, and for a while we were excellent. When we lost our way a bit in late November he tried to improve the playing squad in the January transfer window. Some signings were more succesful thn others. It was a shame the Poke couldn't have stayed all season, Mohammed did a job but was a bit one dimensional, Banim had lots of skill but not the fitness (Clough managed to extract little more from him than PB did and had him for the whole pre season), Adams is a good player but now we have better, and D'Sane is becoming a useful player.
As for man management. The failure to deal with the Raynor situation cost us a decent amount of points last season. Not enough public backing was given to Rice who was then cast as the pantomime villian to Rayners snow white character and he was shamelessly abused by our very own loyal supporters, some of whom speculated that he let in goals at Exeter on boxing on purpose.
However he's been quite succesful of getting underperforming players to play much better. This season, he's turned D'Sane into an asset and Woods, who was very close to a move to Truro into a player who's been a mainstay of a team that's done very well.
As for transfers and signings. Most have been very positive. Sills, Hodges, Phillips, Bevan, Poke, Ellis, Nicholson, Zebroski, Dsane, Green, Hargreaves, Carlisle and Benyon (although his jury is still out) have all been very positive editions to the squad. For people like Brough, Adams, Thompson, Carayol, Stevens. I haven't seen enough of Brough, Adams was a gamble given his injuries, Thompson is a bit inconsistent, Carayol has potential but very raw and Stevens although he is sharp and has a good finish doesn't warrant more than a place on the bench. I don't think that he's had a bad record in the transfer market at all. He hasn't committed the club into giving huge contracts to players when there might be a risk. Brough excepted so far but I'm hoping he'll have a positive influence at some point in the season.
As for additions in the transfer window. Yes I would like to see some in a couple positions. Another striker and a right back wouldn't go amiss even if they were loan signings. I think he's right about making sure that they bring players to the club who are right for the team as a whole. There isn't a manager alive who hasn't ballsed up in the transfer market. For every Wayne Rooney, there's an Eric Djemba-Djemba or a Kleberson.
Get off Buckle's back and get behind your team. You're showing as much backbone as a Frenchman with a hole in his concrete wall faced with an advancing regiment of German Tiger Tanks with 88mm guns.
If we were near the bottom of the league with a whole team of underperforming show ponies who were tied to 3 year contracts then I would agree with this whole Buckle character assasination. If you haven't any patience or the stomach for gradual improvement then go and support Man City.
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Post by Budleigh on Jan 18, 2009 22:53:51 GMT
Beginning of last season the club was on its knees... Buckle was brought in as a rookie manager... We reached the play-offs, then got to Wembley in the Trophy final, beat Yeovil in the FA Cup... This season we're in a great position in the league (only a miracle would've seen us top after Burton's amazing winning run), playing next weekend in the 4th round of the FA cup (as a non-league side), looking good in the Trophy and in the middle of it all had a record run of unbeaten games... What in God's name is there to be critical about?
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Post by Rob on Jan 18, 2009 23:38:20 GMT
I can think of two things. Dave Shaw's deja-vu and the deja-vu one gets from reading his posts.
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Post by merse on Jan 19, 2009 3:27:12 GMT
... What in God's name is there to be critical about? Why wer're not doing as Burton are doing in a "Pub" league of course!
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Post by chelstongull on Jan 19, 2009 8:19:38 GMT
Beginning of last season the club was on its knees... Buckle was brought in as a rookie manager... We reached the play-offs, then got to Wembley in the Trophy final, beat Yeovil in the FA Cup... This season we're in a great position in the league (only a miracle would've seen us top after Burton's amazing winning run), playing next weekend in the 4th round of the FA cup (as a non-league side), looking good in the Trophy and in the middle of it all had a record run of unbeaten games... What in God's name is there to be critical about? Its a bit like the Premiership - instant success. Bucks has done well and if gets us to a second successful play off, whats wrong with that?
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Post by chelstongull on Jan 19, 2009 15:39:13 GMT
Not sure if this is the correct thread, but anywho. If all the clubs with games in hand (bar Stevenage who have played 1 more and Crawley who are to be docked 4 points) were to win them, then the table would look like this (I think): Burton 64pts Histon 60 Wrexham 54 Kettering 54 Torquay 52 ---------------------------- Kiddiminster 52 Cambridge 49 Crawley 45 Stevenage 44 Unlikely to happen, but just a bit of fun.
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Post by Dave on Jan 20, 2009 16:41:03 GMT
Dave S, you know I have said before that while I may never agree with your views, you will always be free and welcome to post them.
I do feel that Andy(capitalgull) made a very good post and offered you the opportunity to provide answers to what you seem to think are Buckle failings. I see you have not replied, do I take it you really don't have a clue? or maybe the fact is he is doing a good job really and so you can't see where or how he could or needs to improve.
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Post by midlandstufc on Jan 20, 2009 20:01:55 GMT
Some very good posts here boys! My view is that we could not do better than have Buckle at the moment. We do not have a god-given right to be at the top. As a small club we must live within our means and fight for the chance to be in the mix at the end of the season. My only gripe is that PB could be more proactive in his substitutions. Take the Wrexham game - we had played well and should have been in front - when we equalised Benyon came on for Green. Perhaps he could have replaced Dsane, who had played weel but had run out of steam. What of the new young lad? Why get him on loan nad not give him his head? One substitution at 1-1 is too cagey. Yes, it could of gone 'tits up' and Wrexham could have taken all three but I felt once we had equalised the 'go for the jugular' button should have been pressed. What I saw was our defence holding their shape and comfortable; Sills doing a fine job; the centre-midfield good; but around the perifery (spelling?) needing a shake-up. Give their right-back a new problem - give their CBs a fright of pace - and generally lay into to them. I would like more gambles being taken and the bench being used more. We should have beaten Wrexham as we were the better team (albeit at home) and must take ruthless advantage of that.
That said and done, Buckle is doing a great job and will only get better as a manager.
I hope this all makes sense as I'm on the beer (and wine) coupled with strong drugs after breaking a foot again on Sunday. As Mel Gibson's mate says in Lethal Weapon - 'I'm too old for this!'.
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