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Post by phil on Jun 16, 2008 22:20:44 GMT
 Jon.................take that on board and do not accept that all you read is "kosher". Merse, I trust you have noted that the comment you relied upon was not in fact kosher. You will be pleased to know that as soon as I read it I knew that it wasn't kosher - but you went with it hook, line and sinker. I'm not as green as you like to think I am - and sometimes when you think I'm two steps behind I might just be two steps ahead. But we're not really arguing over anything are we? We both acknowledge our huge appreciation of all that Colin Lee has achieved in the past year and the tremendous strides OUR club has made. Our difference seems to be that I am in favour of dotnet leaving fans to talk and show themselves up as ignorant if they want to - which I believe was always Mervo's philosophy. You seem to be in favour of draconian censorship to outlaw any negative comments about anybody at the club. Strange really, given that the mantra of this site is supposed to be freedom of speech. Jon, i've been saying the same thing on here but it seems that this view is not well accepted on here. I'm glad to know i'm not alone in that thinking. |
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Post by capitalgull on Jun 16, 2008 22:23:40 GMT
Those two kissing and making up would not be a pretty sight - especially the first part of it  |
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Post by sean01 on Jun 16, 2008 22:24:03 GMT
Jon,
What you must always remember most of us post here because of our egos, however, some of us know when to bail out. There are double standards on that other site, watched and contributed by the "admin Team". Is it me or do they just love confrontation?
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Post by Jon on Jun 16, 2008 22:24:21 GMT
Jon you said what you want, as has Merse, so please explain, Just seems somewhat contradictory that Merse's original beef with dotnet was that it suppressed free speech. Now his main beef appears to be that it does not suppress free speech when it should. Can't have it both ways... I wasn't having a dig at you, your forum or your principles. Apologies if you took it that way. And can I apologise again in an effort to beat the record for apologising for the same thing repeatedly - recently set by Capital gull?   |
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Post by Dave on Jun 16, 2008 22:27:29 GMT
Jon you said what you want, as has Merse, so please explain, Just seems somewhat contradictory that Merse's original beef with dotnet was that it suppressed free speech. Now his main beef appears to be that it does not suppress free speech when it should. Can't have it both ways... I wasn't having a dig at you, your forum or your principles. Apologies if you took it that way. And can I apologise again in an effort to beat the record for apologising for the same thing repeatedly - recently set by Capital gull? Thats ok Jon, the forum as much as can allow, will stand for free speech, Can't .net block his IP address, so we can all have a peaceful life ;D ;D |
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Post by capitalgull on Jun 16, 2008 22:32:25 GMT
Jon you said what you want, as has Merse, so please explain, Just seems somewhat contradictory that Merse's original beef with dotnet was that it suppressed free speech. Now his main beef appears to be that it does not suppress free speech when it should. Can't have it both ways... I wasn't having a dig at you, your forum or your principles. Apologies if you took it that way. And can I apologise again in an effort to beat the record for apologising for the same thing repeatedly - recently set by Capital gull? Sorry? |
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Post by Dave on Jun 16, 2008 22:35:24 GMT
Just seems somewhat contradictory that Merse's original beef with dotnet was that it suppressed free speech. Now his main beef appears to be that it does not suppress free speech when it should. Can't have it both ways... I wasn't having a dig at you, your forum or your principles. Apologies if you took it that way. And can I apologise again in an effort to beat the record for apologising for the same thing repeatedly - recently set by Capital gull? Sorry? All these sorries is making think I'm sorry I stated this forum, sorry just had to say that ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by Jon on Jun 16, 2008 22:36:49 GMT
Jon, What you must always remember most of us post here because of our egos, however, some of us know when to bail out. There are double standards on that other site, watched and contributed by the "admin Team". Is it me or do they just love confrontation? Sean, I know what you mean, but I see both sides. Football fans tend to like to be partisan (that's what being a fan is about) and there is something about internet forums that tends to polarise debate and divide people. Add in some strong characters who like to "hold court" and think they are "in the know" and you are left with an explosive mix! I know each of the two main protaganists here a little bit, but neither of them that well. I like them both - but can see they could both wind someone up! From what I do know, I reckon they are very similar characters - which is half the problem! It could all be sorted over a beer! |
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Post by sean01 on Jun 16, 2008 22:45:53 GMT
Jon,
I wish we could all pull in the same direction, yes I agree in stimulating debate, but not the name calling and the downright abuse.
Everyone has taken their eyes of the ball, stop the petty pejudices and look forward to what could be a great season.
Humility is something that everyone could do with a large dose off.
(this was not aimed at you Jon, but the people who cause these rifts, mainly from that other site)
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Post by Jon on Jun 16, 2008 23:02:23 GMT
I wish we could all pull in the same direction.... Everyone has taken their eyes of the ball, stop the petty pejudices and look forward to what could be a great season. Amen to that. These are very exciting times for all TUFC fans. To think of the desperation and the despair of where we were 18 months ago, and then look at how far we have come in such a short time...... COME ON YOU YELLOWS! |
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Post by sean01 on Jun 16, 2008 23:04:16 GMT
COME ON YOU YELLOWS !
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Post by merse on Jun 17, 2008 2:55:46 GMT
Just seems somewhat contradictory that Merse's original beef with dotnet was that it suppressed free speech. Now his main beef appears to be that it does not suppress free speech when it should. Can't have it both ways... I don't wish to join this "Apology Fest", but do wish to point out that your assumption over my original beef was that they were selective in who they suppressed. I certainly wish to point out that it is my opinion that any site carrying a title containing "Torquay United" in any shape or form will naturally be assumed by the average lurker (and hence a large number of people) to be somewhat representative of the club's view/policy or the general fan bases view/opinions. Therefore there is a responsibility for that forum not to allow derogatory (I'm talking derogatory- not critical here) posts about the club or it's executive without challenge. That is not suppressing free speech, that is allowing it in a responsible manner. My final words on this thread! |
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Post by phil on Jun 17, 2008 5:49:34 GMT
Just seems somewhat contradictory that Merse's original beef with dotnet was that it suppressed free speech. Now his main beef appears to be that it does not suppress free speech when it should. Can't have it both ways... I don't wish to join this "Apology Fest", but do wish to point out that your assumption over my original beef was that they were selective in who they suppressed. I certainly wish to point out that it is my opinion that any site carrying a title containing "Torquay United" in any shape or form will naturally be assumed by the average lurker (and hence a large number of people) to be somewhat representative of the club's view/policy or the general fan bases view/opinions. Therefore there is a responsibility for that forum not to allow derogatory (I'm talking derogatory- not critical here) posts about the club or it's executive without challenge. That is not suppressing free speech, that is allowing it in a responsible manner. My final words on this thread! I doubt that anyone expected any kind of apology or change of stance from you and it will be no surprise therefore that you continue in your seemingly ever present mood of discontent. From what i've seen over the last several months it's been a case of [glow=red,2,300]what[/glow] not who they try to moderate. I've seen for example, the old days when Mervo allowed anyone to say almost anything, plenty of people have clamoured for a return to those days, including yourself, yet now you talk of how the executive shouldn't be referred to as a poster sees fit. Would you be happy about the fortunes of the Club if people hadn't been allowed to expose the previous regimes executive? Where would we be now if the other site had followed your "vision" back then. The recent activity on this thread has centred around a mistaken assumption on the motives and actions of sotongull, something I must admit to being guilty of myself in the past. I took issue with something he did centred on the events at the Bath game only to be made aware of actions taking place behind the scenes so to speak. I had no alternative but to apologise as it was made clear to me that he was in discussion and being advised by certain authorities. Once I was made aware of what the reasons were I saw things in a totally different light and realised that my reaction was caused by my own ignorance of the situation and my own willingness to see nothing but the suppression of freedom of speech. Perhaps it's time for certain people to accept that somebody has to manage the other site just as somebody does on this, it's a fact of life that not all will agree with the decisions they make but that there just might be a host of reasons we are unaware of resulting in the actions they execute. Just an alternative point of view to some. Phil |
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Post by Jon on Jun 17, 2008 18:45:06 GMT
I certainly wish to point out that it is my opinion that any site carrying a title containing "Torquay United" in any shape or form will naturally be assumed by the average lurker (and hence a large number of people) to be somewhat representative of the club's view/policy or the general fan bases view/opinions. Therefore there is a responsibility for that forum not to allow derogatory (I'm talking derogatory- not critical here) posts about the club or it's executive without challenge. Well I respect your right to express your opinion, but I completely and utterly disagree. A fans' forum is a fans' forum and will have a mixture of views. I am quite confident that most people are bright enough to understand that any opinion expressed is that of an individual and does not represent in any way "the club's view/policy or the general fan base's view/opinions". If Mervo had suppressed all posters who made "derogatory posts about the club or it's executive", he would have banned you and 99% of the people who used to post on dotnet in "the good old days". |
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Post by spagbol74 on Jun 18, 2008 13:05:26 GMT
See .net has sunk to a new low, with a thread about new songs for next season. One poster has addedtwo lines about laughing at the death of Frank Lampards mum. (although this has been whitened, maybe by a moderator, it's still there for all to see). He did state that he tought it was terrible, but why the hell did he include it into the song then?
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Jon.................take that on board and do not accept that all you read is "kosher". 
