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Post by phil on Jun 11, 2008 6:23:19 GMT
welcome John ...you wont get any of that here mate. Just for the cause of accuracy, i've already had a post deleted. Mine wasn't anything other than a polite and informative opinion either.
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Post by Dave on Jun 11, 2008 8:44:37 GMT
welcome John ...you wont get any of that here mate. Just for the cause of accuracy, i've already had a post deleted. Mine wasn't anything other than a polite and informative opinion either. Please note you post was a reply to my post, after reading your views I had to agree with you and felt it was best the thread started by me was deleted. You must surly agree it was the best thing to do.
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Post by andyparsons on Jun 11, 2008 9:38:48 GMT
Hey Phil..... Just wait till a post is edited, and you reply to it before it is edited, then notice the edit, so you go back and edit your reply.....but in the meantime the original edit is removed leaving the original post in its entirety, thus making your edit look like you are replying to nothing because the edit you did reply to has gone, or been re-edited!! !!
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Post by spagbol74 on Jun 11, 2008 10:01:47 GMT
Cheers Andy, you have just made my head spin with that posting ;D
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Post by phil on Jun 11, 2008 16:00:02 GMT
Just for the cause of accuracy, i've already had a post deleted. Mine wasn't anything other than a polite and informative opinion either. Please note you post was a reply to my post, after reading your views I had to agree with you and felt it was best the thread started by me was deleted. You must surly agree it was the best thing to do. No, I don't agree, but then I wasn't given the choice, it was deleted anyway. My only point is that everyone here seems to have a complaint with how the other site is run yet I had a post removed and was given no explanation. If we are all being treated as equals, as I have seen written by you, then surely the message within that thread should have been left open for discussion. Moderation is moderation however it's done, I just don't see any justification for it in this case. It would seem that I am not the only one who has had a post altered or deleted, yet your cohorts state that this won't happen here, is it a site free from moderation or not? This thread is to discuss reasons for this forums emergence yet it is already going the way of the other one. A select few whose opinions are deemed more important than others, perhaps it's not so different from the other site afterall. Disgruntled of London.
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Post by merse on Jun 11, 2008 17:05:04 GMT
Please note you post was a reply to my post, after reading your views I had to agree with you and felt it was best the thread started by me was deleted. You must surly agree it was the best thing to do. No, I don't agree, but then I wasn't given the choice, it was deleted anyway. My only point is that everyone here seems to have a complaint with how the other site is run yet I had a post removed and was given no explanation. There is a difference between a thread being removed which entails ALL postings on that thread disappearing with it and a singular post being omitted, Phil. The example you quote belongs to the former rather than the latter and I feel you are taking things out of context. I also think your claim that "everyone on here has a complaint at how the other site is run" is an inaccurate generalisation. Certainly I fall into that category, and still have complaints; but I'm keeping them off this site to give it a chance to flourish in it's own right. In my opinion it certainly is doing that and that is because it is not getting bogged down with constantly looking over it's shoulder at the other site. Fansforum is a breath of fresh air in my opinion, and a pleasure to participate in.
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Post by phil on Jun 11, 2008 19:00:34 GMT
No, I don't agree, but then I wasn't given the choice, it was deleted anyway. My only point is that everyone here seems to have a complaint with how the other site is run yet I had a post removed and was given no explanation. There is a difference between a thread being removed which entails ALL postings on that thread disappearing with it and a singular post being omitted, Phil. The example you quote belongs to the former rather than the latter and I feel you are taking things out of context. I also think your claim that "everyone on here has a complaint at how the other site is run" is an inaccurate generalisation. Certainly I fall into that category, and still have complaints; but I'm keeping them off this site to give it a chance to flourish in it's own right. In my opinion it certainly is doing that and that is because it is not getting bogged down with constantly looking over it's shoulder at the other site. Fansforum is a breath of fresh air in my opinion, and a pleasure to participate in. If you want to disagree with a point I make, at least have the decency to quote me accurately and therefore not totally misrepresent what I had previously written. I used a word that you left out, no doubt to make your own misinformed point regarding my post. I don't want to go into the politics of why this site was created, i'm happy to get double my "fix" of all things Torquay United, but I do have a wish to see things adhered to and portrayed accurately. I enjoy both sites and usually just lurk but felt my brand of humour would be more suitable to this one. I don't engage in debate all that often and would only ever comment on something I feel worthy of my time, however i'm slightly bemused by the insinuation that this site will be run any differently to any other when it is instantly running the same course as .net. I've witnessed the behaviour of some on the other forum and would hope a more adult approach be used on this. So far i'm not sure it is, but I do live in hope.
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Post by Dave on Jun 11, 2008 19:21:51 GMT
There is a difference between a thread being removed which entails ALL postings on that thread disappearing with it and a singular post being omitted, Phil. The example you quote belongs to the former rather than the latter and I feel you are taking things out of context. I also think your claim that "everyone on here has a complaint at how the other site is run" is an inaccurate generalisation. Certainly I fall into that category, and still have complaints; but I'm keeping them off this site to give it a chance to flourish in it's own right. In my opinion it certainly is doing that and that is because it is not getting bogged down with constantly looking over it's shoulder at the other site. Fansforum is a breath of fresh air in my opinion, and a pleasure to participate in. If you want to disagree with a point I make, at least have the decency to quote me accurately and therefore not totally misrepresent what I had previously written. I used a word that you left out, no doubt to make your own misinformed point regarding my post. I don't want to go into the politics of why this site was created, i'm happy to get double my "fix" of all things Torquay United, but I do have a wish to see things adhered to and portrayed accurately. I enjoy both sites and usually just lurk but felt my brand of humour would be more suitable to this one. I don't engage in debate all that often and would only ever comment on something I feel worthy of my time, however i'm slightly bemused by the insinuation that this site will be run any differently to any other when it is instantly running the same course as .net. I've witnessed the behaviour of some on the other forum and would hope a more adult approach be used on this. So far i'm not sure it is, but I do live in hope. It seems I pressed the wrong quote button , I will change it to the one I meant to quote. No forum can run without moderation. I look forward to seeing your Humour
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Post by Dave on Jun 11, 2008 19:23:12 GMT
Please note you post was a reply to my post, after reading your views I had to agree with you and felt it was best the thread started by me was deleted. You must surly agree it was the best thing to do. No, I don't agree, but then I wasn't given the choice, it was deleted anyway. My only point is that everyone here seems to have a complaint with how the other site is run yet I had a post removed and was given no explanation. If we are all being treated as equals, as I have seen written by you, then surely the message within that thread should have been left open for discussion. Moderation is moderation however it's done, I just don't see any justification for it in this case. It would seem that I am not the only one who has had a post altered or deleted, yet your cohorts state that this won't happen here, is it a site free from moderation or not? This thread is to discuss reasons for this forums emergence yet it is already going the way of the other one. A select few whose opinions are deemed more important than others, perhaps it's not so different from the other site afterall. Disgruntled of London. The thread I posted on Saturday was Called those that want to harm(or close to that) A record of events that you may not have been aware off. Facts that I will stand by and even swear on oath before a policeman. I read your post and also thought about Jacks post and I had to as myself, did I want this forum to move on and become the forum, I believe it will. After Sean's post I felt the thread could and probably would go in a direction, that was not best for the forum. It was up less than an hour, only four people logged in and saw it, yet still when I was in contact with Dave S G, not long after it was put up, he knew all its contents. Strange that the site was not open to guests on Saturday morning, Simply because I want this forum to work and I have put a lot of work into it, I felt it was better removed, so the forum could simply move on. I made the post and I deleted it, to leave yours would be meaning less as it would relate to nothing. I started a new thread on the popside(topic removed) if you had read it you would have seem I said that I was sorry for the posts that I deleted, I also gave my reason. The rules are the same for me as they are for anyone else. Those that join and use the forum for what it is intented to be used for, will always be free to make their minds up, if they like the way the forum runs. If they don't then they will simply not return. I look forward to reading your views on any of the topics that the members have started. I'm sorry you fail to understand the reasons I needed to remove my post and as a result yours. I Have no more to say on the matter, except the admin on this forum will not lock delete, or edit posts unless we feel we have no choice, we reserve the right to delete anything that we feel we need too. All members are treated the same, there is no rule for one or one for another, I simply don't work like that. The only other post that was altered was because the poster put my sons full name on the forum, I sent him a pm and he knew it was wrong and he went to edit it, I had already done this because it needed to be removed , until my son said it would be OK. All the best Dave R
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Post by merse on Jun 11, 2008 19:27:53 GMT
If you want to disagree with a point I make, at least have the decency to quote me accurately and therefore not totally misrepresent what I had previously written. I used a word that you left out, no doubt to make your own misinformed point regarding my post. You've left me baffled by that statement..................I quoted you in the time honoured fashion of utilising the "quote" facility which effectively "cuts and pastes" from your post, so how could I have "left a word out"?Are you in effect saying that by editing your post in order to quote you , I have mis-represented the point you were making? Enlighten me Phil, what is the " misinformed point" I made about your post?
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Post by Dave on Jun 11, 2008 19:35:19 GMT
If you want to disagree with a point I make, at least have the decency to quote me accurately and therefore not totally misrepresent what I had previously written. I used a word that you left out, no doubt to make your own misinformed point regarding my post. You've left me baffled by that statement..................I quoted you in the time honoured fashion of utilising the "quote" facility which effectively "cuts and pastes" from your post, so how could I have "left a word out"?Are you in effect saying that by editing your post in order to quote you , I have mis-represented the point you were making? Enlighten me Phil, what is the " misinformed point" I made about your post? I believe Phil meant me Merse as I used the wrong quote botton. I have now put that right. I would add that no words have been left out or changed.
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Post by phil on Jun 11, 2008 19:55:12 GMT
If you want to disagree with a point I make, at least have the decency to quote me accurately and therefore not totally misrepresent what I had previously written. I used a word that you left out, no doubt to make your own misinformed point regarding my post. You've left me baffled by that statement..................I quoted you in the time honoured fashion of utilising the "quote" facility which effectively "cuts and pastes" from your post, so how could I have "left a word out"?Are you in effect saying that by editing your post in order to quote you , I have mis-represented the point you were making? Enlighten me Phil, what is the " misinformed point" I made about your post? You didn't use the quote facility because if you had, the word"seems" would have carried over with your transfer of my "quote". This omission lends weight to a totally different take on my statement. I fail to see how that is so difficult to comprehend. As I have previously written, if you must quote me, at least do so accurately, that's not asking too much is it?
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Post by andygulls on Jun 11, 2008 21:50:55 GMT
No, I don't agree, but then I wasn't given the choice, it was deleted anyway. My only point is that everyone here seems to have a complaint with how the other site is run yet I had a post removed and was given no explanation. There is a difference between a thread being removed which entails ALL postings on that thread disappearing with it and a singular post being omitted, Phil. The example you quote belongs to the former rather than the latter and I feel you are taking things out of context. I also think your claim that "everyone on here has a complaint at how the other site is run" is an inaccurate generalisation. Certainly I fall into that category, and still have complaints; but I'm keeping them off this site to give it a chance to flourish in it's own right. In my opinion it certainly is doing that and that is because it is not getting bogged down with constantly looking over it's shoulder at the other site. Fansforum is a breath of fresh air in my opinion, and a pleasure to participate in. Merse it's the bit of your post in bold that Phil is objecting to. However Phil you really should ensure that you read all of the site. You would then have seen the post made by Dave R about the deleted thread and this conversation need not have taken place
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Post by merse on Jun 12, 2008 2:33:57 GMT
Ah, got it.............. It SEEMS as though you are preoccupied with pedantically claiming (and it SEEMS to me - in an out of context fashion) that you were the only one with a post deleted, when in fact there were a good few of us who saw our posts disappear when Dave removed that thread. Now that may not be so, but that's how it SEEMS to me! Anyway, onwards and sideways
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Post by merse on Jun 12, 2008 2:49:37 GMT
It would seem that I am not the only one who has had a post altered or deleted, yet your cohorts state that this won't happen here, is it a site free from moderation or not? This thread is to discuss reasons for this forums emergence yet it * is already going the way of the other one. A select few whose opinions are deemed more important than others, perhaps it's not so different from the other site afterall. Disgruntled of London. I think you should have substituted the words " are deemed" with the word "seem"...................and I think you should have inserted the word "seems" here * also, what do you think?
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