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Post by bbcgull on Dec 29, 2008 15:41:46 GMT
An obscure one, and certainly a team i DIDN'T know were a former League club.
Drill Field : Northwich Victoria
One of the most historic grounds in the British Isles, Drill field was the home of Nortwich Victoria for 125 years. It only played host to League football for two seasons between September 1892 and April 1894. They were a founder member of Division Two, but resigned there membership from the league in 1894.
At the time of its close in 2002 Drill Field was the WORLD'S oldest continuously used football ground.
edited information written from Lost Football League Grounds From The Air by Ian Allan (suprisingly not anything on wiki)
Have you got anything on this one Barton?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2008 18:48:28 GMT
You've asked for it. Brett! This will be a long answer so, for the benefit of those reading the "Last 100" posts, I'll split it into two. We'll start with the beginning of the Football League in 1888 to put Northwich's Football League membership into context. This was the first table - 1888/1889 - note all the clubs are from the Midlands and the North: The league was a big success and others followed: Northern (1889); Birmingham & District (1889); Midland (1889); Western (1892); Southern (1894) and so on. However, the stongest of the new leagues was the Football Alliance. Formed in 1889, here are the main details of the Alliance's brief history (taken from Bob Barton's Non League): The reason why the Football Alliance was short-lived was that it formed the basis of the Football League's expansion in 1892. This saw extra clubs in the First Division together with a new Second Division. The Alliance club to miss out was Birmingham St George's. From other leagues came Burslem Port Vale, Sheffield United and Northwich Victoria (who had finished as runners-up in a league known as The Combination). Below are the tables for Divisions One and Two for 1892/93. Note the " Test Matches", early versions of today's play-offs. Newton Heath became Manchester United; Small Heath (Birmingham City); Ardwick (Manchester City) .
Burton Swifts later merged with another club and remained in the FL as Burton United until 1907. Burton Wanderers were also members of the FL between 1894 and 1897. Burton Albion weren't formed until 1950 (effectively replacing Burton Town, the town's main club between the wars). Note there were still no clubs south of Birmingham. That would change with Woolwich Arsenal in 1894 and Luton (briefly) in 1897. League tables from early editions of Rothmans.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2008 19:46:51 GMT
And what of Northwich - Victoria by name and with their best days in Victorian times? Two seasons in the the Football League 1892-1894 before rejoining The Combination. Next a short period in the Lancashire Combination followed by many years in the stong Cheshire County League. Founder members of both the Northern Premier League and the league that is now the BSP. Only one season out of this league since it was formed - plus an FA Trophy win - gives Vics plenty of history. What a mess now! As Brett says, the club played at the Drill Field from 1874 to 2002 before a spell at Witton Albion (Northwich's other team - both were once in the Conference together) whilst the new Victoria Stadium was being built (see another thread for a lively discussion about "out-of-town" stadiums. It's a serious distance from the town). Record crowd at the Drill Field: 11,290 v Witton Albion, Cheshire County League, Good Friday 1949). Kerry Miller explains that, with much rebuilding, the ground didn't have a particularly "old" feel towards the end (but it did have a town centre location). Photographs from his 1996 book:
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Post by bbcgull on Dec 29, 2008 20:19:19 GMT
Superb post and pics Barton as always. I would be so interested to see your book shelf. I only have about 6 footie books.
Another good book is Football Grounds Fact Book by Ian Allan
Where is the best place to buy old footie ground books etc. Ebay? Am using ebay to collect my Rothmans...
Shame, as we have mentioned before, the Facer books stopped.
Which old ones would you recommend
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2008 21:04:36 GMT
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Post by Dave on Dec 29, 2008 21:09:06 GMT
Reading your post Barton reminded me of an advert on the TV a few years back, you know the one where the old man was ringing around to try and find a copy of a book. When he found one he asked to have it put back for him, then gave his name, yes it was the guy who wrote the book ;D
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Post by capitalgull on Dec 29, 2008 21:17:40 GMT
Reading your post Barton reminded me of an advert on the TV a few years back, you know the one where the old man was ringing around to try and find a copy of a book. When he found one he asked to have it put back for him, then gave his name, yes it was the guy who wrote the book ;D One of the great lines in advertising history. My name, oh yes, it's J.R. Hartley!
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Post by Dave on Dec 29, 2008 21:26:10 GMT
Reading your post Barton reminded me of an advert on the TV a few years back, you know the one where the old man was ringing around to try and find a copy of a book. When he found one he asked to have it put back for him, then gave his name, yes it was the guy who wrote the book ;D One of the great lines in advertising history. My name, oh yes, it's J.R. Hartley! Yes that is is the one Andy, I have been doing my head in, trying to remember his name, thanks you have saved me from my mental torture ;D
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Post by bbcgull on Dec 29, 2008 22:31:40 GMT
and amazing they then realised that all these people had heard it so they released a book called Fly Fishing by JR Hartley and it bcame a best seller
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2008 22:35:43 GMT
The offending article had been written for Foul magazine around 1975. It made the cut into a compilation called the Foul Book of Football No 1. I lent the book to somebody I never saw again and spent years tracking down a replacement. Part of the problem was the publication contained something nasty about a People journalist called Mike Langley who threatened to sue. As a result all unsold copies ended up on the bonfire. Re-reading my piece I really do sound like an Angry Young Man. There's plenty of confused agitprop - I've clearly lost it by the last paragraph (and the editing isn't brilliant in places) - but I'm sure you'll find plenty of familiar themes. My apologies for any unfounded remarks about persons living or dead. And here's a copy of a letter I had in Goal magazine in 1971 which I recently tracked down in the wonderful The Back Page sports bookshop in Newcastle. The words, I fear, of a slightly pompous 15-year-old:
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Post by bbcgull on Dec 29, 2008 22:50:31 GMT
Great stuff Barton. On the subject of published letters: When we got to Wembley the first timei had a letter i worte about published in 'Football Today' a major mag of its time, shortlived though. Still searching for that as i lost it.
And i am still searching for my Champ comic edition with me drawn in the story - anyone new on here got a collection of these, if so havea look. See my post onhere for the picture of what it looks like.
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Post by Dave on Dec 29, 2008 23:06:16 GMT
The letter sums up Barton just what the council here has always felt about the club and have never been willing to help.
The only time they want to know us is when something good happens. Look at our last promotion season, they had the club down at the town Hall, after the parade around the town. Then they were saying that they would look to help the club( bateson anyway) buy the ground from the council and what happened? yes you got it correct, sweet nothing.
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Post by Jon on Dec 30, 2008 0:30:39 GMT
The offending article had been written for Foul magazine around 1975. That is brilliant! It's also a good reminder of the state the club was in in the 70s. The "alternative history" convinced many that things only started to go downhill in the 90s. I borrowed a Foul annual off a mate years ago. I seem to remember a cartoon about Rupert Bear and some suede heads, and a report on the 73 Cup Final which was obsessed with "ball-winners" - something about looking forward to a repeat of the Hunter v Storey Cup Final, and having to make do with a Hunter v Horswill Cup Final. Do you know how long Foul ran for? It was a bit like WS, but a lot funnier and a lot ruder.
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Post by merse on Dec 30, 2008 3:58:03 GMT
Wonderful to "re-discover" that article Barton, I recall being shown it all those (33) years ago as if it was yesterday!Those councillors (Thomas, Hardaway and Franks) really were Luddite puppets of the Hotel and Caterers lobby and I recall as a young member of the Commercial Staff being absolutely incredulous that not only did they hold such views but that the nodding donkeys of the local populace re-elected them without question merely because they chose to wear blue rosettes. It didn't take much scratching under the surface to realise that Torbay political policy was decided,not in the Town Hall; but in the bars of the conservative Clubs and the living rooms of the wealthy in the Lincombes, Warberries and Livermead...............the homes of those who's elevated lifestyle had been forged on the back of the local minimum wage policy and tourist industry that leeched off such exploitation. I don't know what made me more angry, that fact or the fact that the populace of the area behaved like collective idiots and elected them in time and time again...............................I think your collective dissertations would have been more practically centred on "Why Do Turkeys (repeatedly) Vote For Christmas?" Don't nod and tut tut in agreement, because it's STILL the same down there...................you don't have a sea front worthy of the name any more, you don't have decent transport connections and you don't have major employers like Nortel either - is it any wonder? It's why I left all those years ago, why I would never return (now not even for a holiday visit of any length), and never will do - not even to die! My only connections are with NA through family and Plainmoor through the Football Club. I can still remember taking Mrs Hardaway on a "conducted tour" through the bowels of the main stand at Plainmoor and the Social facilities - modest and basic as they were at the time and she was staggered that the inside of the buildings were fitted out to the standard they were. She seemed to have some fixation in her head that all the club's business was carried out in some empty shell beneath the seats. It didn't take long to realise that we were being "ruled" by idiots and worse still that they were being kept in power by even bigger idiots. Almost everything we tried on a commercial front from major use of the ground in the close season to even having lottery kiosks in prime sales locations around the resort, was opposed by these bigots. Even long worked at plans to improve the Social Club were opposed at every turn and you should have seen the struggle we had just to maintain a music licence when every Tom, Dick & Harry could get one for their Private Hotel or Guest House. Balloon? It's not a fecking balloon you want flying over the town it's a squadron of Meschersmidts - you'll NEVER drag yourselves out of such futile sertivude whilst you remain the "kind and gentle people" so beloved of Dave! Hmmf - this morning's rant over!
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Post by Dave on Dec 30, 2008 12:24:42 GMT
I make no secret that I removed the above post this morning. I have no problems with Merse sticking to the subject of the Torbay council, not doing much to help our club, but why does he always feel the need to make remarks about the residents.
Life in the Bay is not perfect and things are not the way we would all like them, I do wonder if those that shout the loudest about all the good that happens in London, have really done anything themselves to even make that happen. I would suspect not and all has happened around them, because our government are all to happy to help and spend the whole country's tax income on London, but so often forget that people live in the west country.
My best advise is you dislike the people of Torbay so much and even the Bay itself, then find another club to support. Torquay United is very much a part of Torbay and you really should not just think its OK just to pick the bits you like.
Stay in London, the Bay will not miss the likes of you Merse coming here, I'm from Newton Abbot as well, but I'm proud to live with so many nice and good people here in Torbay.
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