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Post by swatcat on Feb 9, 2021 4:29:08 GMT
A vaccine by pill, (or by patches or nose spray), would help greatly, but we'll have to wait and see . . . " Coronavirus vaccines could eventually be administered in the form of a pill, Nadhim Zahawi has suggested. The vaccines minister said that injections may not be the sole option for receiving dosages in future but that ensuring a healthy capacity of supplies remained the priority for the Government. Speaking to Times Radio, Mr Zahawi said: "There are technologies with pills and others being developed around the world and we will continue to look at those. "But we're making sure the UK will always have the capability and capacity to manufacture the variant vaccines that will deal with any variant virus.”
Asked about a slowdown for first jabs when second jabs are rolled out, Mr Zahawi said: "We've got the capacity to do first and second jabs. The limiting factor is the supply of vaccines.” Receiving a vaccine jab via a pill could help alleviate supply issues that have hindered the rollout in some areas of the world including Europe. Last month, a British biotech breakthrough signalled the possibility of turning injected vaccines into tablets as clinical trials in monkeys showed the oral vaccine to be highly effective in immunising them from the virus. Sussex-based IoBio and California’s ImmunityBio are applying for regulatory approval to run tests in Britain as clinical trials of the pill began on Americans in January. Chief executive of iosBio, Wayne Channon, said: "With our capsule you wouldn’t need medical professionals to administer the vaccine, you could send this out on Amazon Prime and have everyone vaccinated by Saturday.”
Other experts have said that new ways of administering the vaccine are needed. Kate Bingham, the former chair of the UK vaccine taskforce, said the process needed to be sped up, suggesting that people should be allowed to self-administer pills, nasal sprays and patches. Speaking last month to BBC Radio 4’s Today Programme, Ms Bingham said: "We need to improve the vaccine formats because, frankly, two injections delivered by healthcare professionals is not a good way of delivering vaccines. "We need to get vaccine formats which are much more scalable and distributable, so, whether they are pills or patches or nose sprays, we need to find better ways of developing and delivering vaccines, and we'll do that in collaboration, just as we've been doing that over the last few months." www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/07/vaccine-could-made-available-pill-form-minister-says/ |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2021 18:55:36 GMT
Sadly, you don’t see Rob. One can understand why Quasimodo doesn’t get it because quite clearly he’s a moron! I expected better from you...you must try harder. Will do. Noted. Here’s hoping one of the fifteen days of miracles provides inspiration for you not spouting nonsense on here, Reg. Sadly I’m too old for any inspiration from the next 15 days practicing. If I had been a lot younger possibly, but I’ll be happy enough to receive the merit in the next life or indeed one of the numberless lives thereafter. Don’t forget all the days are based on India time...so it’s already started. Mrs Register and I have received a call from our GP asking if we would like the jab thingy, but we both declined. I hasten to add that Mrs Register did so without any prompting from me...which is nice to know, because she won’t be dragged off to City 17 anytime soon! So don’t forget, anything you think, say or do over the next 15 days is multiplied 100.000.000 times...so be good. 😌 |
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Post by swatcat on Feb 12, 2021 7:32:19 GMT
Reg you have given us persistent insight re. the strength of your (groundless) anti-vax 'thinking' - presumably, Mrs Reg lives with you - are you satisfied that she has not been 'conditioned' by your own ranting ? I hope that Mrs Reg does not become ill with Covid and if she does, that you will not feel responsible.
The anti-vax position is frankly barmy AND EXTREMELY SELFISH. If one day we are able to return to Plainmoor and watch our beloveds in action, remember you or any other anti-vax hooligan could be infected, asymptomatic and a risk to all who come near you.
It may be some years before you are allowed to travel abroad as IMO most Nations are going to require vaccination for the foreseeable future. Take care of you and yours and please consider changing your mind. ATB.
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Post by rjdgull on Feb 12, 2021 8:06:07 GMT
Think I read somewhere yesterday that so far in the most vulnerable groups that 19% have been hesitant in getting a jab but only 2% have out right rejected one. Having seen first hand the long lasting effect this virus can have would say that is the wrong decision but your choice..... Have already met someone who has had both injections with the second jab about 4 weeks ago. If anything, a bit cocky with it.
With an increase in the percentage of the reduction in the 7 day average of new cases over the last 4 days hopefully we are seeing the start of the vaccination programme really impacting on this virus so schools can fully reopen and we can get back to some semblance of normality like watching a football match.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 9:49:40 GMT
Reg you have given us persistent insight re. the strength of your (groundless) anti-vax 'thinking' - presumably, Mrs Reg lives with you - are you satisfied that she has not been 'conditioned' by your own ranting ? I hope that Mrs Reg does not become ill with Covid and if she does, that you will not feel responsible. The anti-vax position is frankly barmy AND EXTREMELY SELFISH. If one day we are able to return to Plainmoor and watch our beloveds in action, remember you or any other anti-vax hooligan could be infected, asymptomatic and a risk to all who come near you. It may be some years before you are allowed to travel abroad as IMO most Nations are going to require vaccination for the foreseeable future. Take care of you and yours and please consider changing your mind. ATB. What have I said in my previous post Swatty? Do you think the words barmy, extremely selfish and hooligan aren’t negative Karma? You can hide on the highest mountain, you can hide in the deepest cave...but you can’t escape death! One day we all have to face Yama, and when you stand there with your balls in his hand, the three negative words above will not go in your favour. Yes Mrs Register does live with me. I mentioned a week or so back where she was sitting, so she must have a bloody big arse if she doesn’t live with me! |
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Post by swatcat on Feb 12, 2021 22:00:28 GMT
Hi Reg. I'll stand by this - "The anti-vax position is frankly barmy AND EXTREMELY SELFISH. If one day we are able to return to Plainmoor and watch our beloveds in action, remember you or any other anti-vax hooligan could be infected, asymptomatic and a risk to all who come near you."
As for the 'karma', I look forward to judgement on that - the '3 words' are well intentioned, insofaras trying to help someone, (who is seriously fanciful, misinformed and embracing delusion), to see the risk of illness and even death for himself never mind any risk to those around him and anyone who might come into passing contact..
EXTREMELY SELFISH ! Please change your mind. Anti-vax is a free choice but is also quite potty. ATB
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 9:58:56 GMT
Hi Reg. I'll stand by this - "The anti-vax position is frankly barmy AND EXTREMELY SELFISH. If one day we are able to return to Plainmoor and watch our beloveds in action, remember you or any other anti-vax hooligan could be infected, asymptomatic and a risk to all who come near you." As for the 'karma', I look forward to judgement on that - the '3 words' are well intentioned, insofaras trying to help someone, (who is seriously fanciful, misinformed and embracing delusion), to see the risk of illness and even death for himself never mind any risk to those around him and anyone who might come into passing contact.. EXTREMELY SELFISH ! Please change your mind. Anti-vax is a free choice but is also quite potty. ATB Goodness me Swatty, you are something of a Drama Queen. Just to make you happy though (50% anyway) Mrs Register is going to have the jab! Not because she wants to, but because she has to. It seems that you can hardly have a dump without proving you’ve had the jab. Should we ever get out of lockdown, she wants to do simple things like getting her hair done...nope, she has to prove she has had the jab! Sometimes I get fanciful, misinformed and embrace delusion...like today. I’m like this because of part of your post above: if we all return to Plainmoor together, I’m going to infect every man and his dog? Do you see why I’m being fanciful, misinformed and embracing delusion? No...well I’ll tell you. If Old Covid Reg can infect every bugger at Plainmoor who has had the Covid jab with Covid...what’s the point in every bugger at Plainmoor having the Covid jab in the first bloody place? 🙈 |
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Post by swatcat on Feb 16, 2021 9:30:23 GMT
Hi Reg well that's good news about the Missis. She's much brighter than you then   Re. Plainmoor, so you intend to rely on the good nature of all those around you who are vaccinated, to avoid infection yourself when watching football ? I get it. Beware, we don't know yet how transmissibility is affected after vaccination - some suggestion there might be a 70% reduction. Which leaves you at 30% risk of course. Fine by me - but I daresay you go to other places than Plainmoor. If they decide to require vaccine paperwork to enter a Pub, I bet you'll be down that Clinic hollering for a jab ! Get the vaccine M8 - it seems they provide almost total prevention from serious illness and hospitalisation. |
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Post by swatcat on Feb 16, 2021 9:40:02 GMT
Reg - later a 2nd generation vaccine such as this one, may give lifetime protection from all Covid virus - a DT report plus an interesting YOUTube interview with Scancell's CSO
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 10:50:20 GMT
70% reduction!
I always thought that the household bleach that kills 99% of all germs was a bit iffy. Wait a minute...bleach...99%...mmmm. 🤔
Don’t worry though, the government will make it difficult for those of us who want to actually use the Old Grey Matter, and will literally force us to take it.
Welcome to the Big Brother House, or as it used to be called...Britain!
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Post by swatcat on Feb 16, 2021 14:51:40 GMT
Reg you are a Plonker but don't cost someone else their life with your bravado. Perhaps think about this :-
"It was the following sentence, rattled off so casually by LBC presenter Maajid Nawaz on his weekend afternoon show, that left me standing slack-jawed by the kettle, long after it had boiled. According to the former activist turned radio host, the national debate about vaccine passports could be boiled down to a pithy one-liner: it’s about “not stamping on individual rights in the name of group rights”. Effectively forcing us to get the vaccine “doesn’t sit right with me”, he said.
But there’s a word for that overarching social sacrifice, isn’t there? More than one, in fact: selflessness, altruism, humanitarianism, social conscience, public spirit… take your pick. So Nawaz’s sentence could baldly be rephrased: “We shouldn’t be stopped from privileging ourselves over others.”
I’m glad my nine-year-old wasn’t there to hear it. From the moment a child is born, parents do everything they can to quash that instinctive but noxious instinct all the way through into adulthood. And we don’t just do it for society, urging kids at every turn to hold the door open for others, help others and think of others, but because only when armed with courtesy, grace, empathy and civility can they hope to enjoy life in the democracy they were lucky enough to be born into.
Nawaz is right about one thing, though: it’s important to boil arguments down. Because as helpful as it has been to have a term to hide self-centeredness behind since the pandemic hit – and to use and abuse the excuse-all “personal rights” in order to avoid wearing masks, socially distancing or, indeed, adhering to any of the scientific guidelines drawn up to save lives – we cannot hope to emerge from the waking nightmare in which we’re all trapped together if we persist in concealing our true motivations behind lofty ideologies.
The springboard for Nawaz’s discussion was the suggestion made by Dominic Raab on Sunday that, under plans currently being considered by the government, shops, restaurants and pubs could require customers to show vaccine passports.
Although the Foreign Secretary’s comments appear to put him at odds with No 10, which has repeatedly ruled out using them within the UK, Raab insisted that the prospect of Brits being given a document to prove they have been immunised against Covid has not been ruled out, either at a “domestic or local level”.
Cue the onslaught of LBC callers accusing the Government of “medical tyranny”. “Might as well be living in communist China,” raged one. “Civil liberties have gone out the window,” spluttered another. The very notion of making a small sacrifice to safeguard others was branded “discriminatory”.
Not one of those callers saw fit to list the tyrannical, discriminatory and alarmingly altruistic rules and practices we all live by in our day-to-day lives. By and large, we all stop at red lights and adhere to speed limits despite the fact that it slows us down. Most of us don’t drink and drive, cognisant even without the chilling statistics that have been drilled into us that hundreds of people are killed by drunk drivers each year with thousands more seriously injured. Similarly aware of the ongoing knife crime epidemic, most of us don’t carry knives, nor guns – although if you buy into American gun-nut thinking, this would arguably make us feel safer.
We no longer smoke in offices, pubs, planes and public places – so there’s another “human right” withdrawn. Because although we’re still free to kill ourselves, the lawmakers governing our civilised society have decided they would rather you didn’t exterminate innocent bystanders as you suck on that right. Despite the fact that it infringes our “civil liberties”, we don’t stash bags of nuts in our kids’ schoolbags. We are limited to buying two packs of paracetamol in Sainsbury’s and accept that even laxatives are now restricted by many chemists – again, not just for our own safety, but the safety of others.
We are made to walk through metal detectors at airports and have our luggage scanned for explosives. We accept that the meat or dairy products we might bafflingly have decided to take with us on foreign trips will be confiscated by customs and we sign away our rights, one boring, humiliating form at a time, at every stage of international travel.
But, interestingly, vaccine passport dissenters are far less sceptical about all this – particularly when it concerns arrivals into the UK. Indeed, the only anger incurred by the Government’s belated testing and quarantine regulations seems to have been about “why it took them so long to clamp down”.
The “individual” Nawaz defended on his show is livid at the idea of being endangered by others, you understand, but it is his or her right to be selfish, reckless and dangerous; to privilege their identity to the detriment of the rights and freedoms of others.
How vaccine passports would work – or, indeed, whether they would work – is another discussion. But it is truly depressing that, in the desperate circumstances we find ourselves in, one LBC caller could demand to know “why should it be mandatory to have something that you don’t want?”
Had my nine-year-old been the one to ask that question, it would have plunged me into the depths of despair."
I'm afraid it's you that's the drama Queen reg. Grow up and TCOY and yours. ATB
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 15:48:40 GMT
And you still don’t get it.
So to keep fartinggull happy (he hasn’t been around for a while...he must have gone off on a Campanology course somewhere) I’m now going to let him know ‘my point.’
You have chosen to have the jab, whilst I have not. Anything?
You have come on the site deriding my choice and myself. Anything?
I in turn have said nothing...Drama Queen was not for your choice but for your words. Anything?
You, fartinggull and others will have no idea what I’m on about.
Anything?
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Post by Rob on Feb 16, 2021 23:42:33 GMT
Reg you are a Plonker but don't cost someone else their life with your bravado. Perhaps think about this :- "It was the following sentence, rattled off so casually by LBC presenter Maajid Nawaz on his weekend afternoon show, that left me standing slack-jawed by the kettle, long after it had boiled. According to the former activist turned radio host, the national debate about vaccine passports could be boiled down to a pithy one-liner: it’s about “not stamping on individual rights in the name of group rights”. Effectively forcing us to get the vaccine “doesn’t sit right with me”, he said.
But there’s a word for that overarching social sacrifice, isn’t there? More than one, in fact: selflessness, altruism, humanitarianism, social conscience, public spirit… take your pick. So Nawaz’s sentence could baldly be rephrased: “We shouldn’t be stopped from privileging ourselves over others.”
I’m glad my nine-year-old wasn’t there to hear it. From the moment a child is born, parents do everything they can to quash that instinctive but noxious instinct all the way through into adulthood. And we don’t just do it for society, urging kids at every turn to hold the door open for others, help others and think of others, but because only when armed with courtesy, grace, empathy and civility can they hope to enjoy life in the democracy they were lucky enough to be born into.
Nawaz is right about one thing, though: it’s important to boil arguments down. Because as helpful as it has been to have a term to hide self-centeredness behind since the pandemic hit – and to use and abuse the excuse-all “personal rights” in order to avoid wearing masks, socially distancing or, indeed, adhering to any of the scientific guidelines drawn up to save lives – we cannot hope to emerge from the waking nightmare in which we’re all trapped together if we persist in concealing our true motivations behind lofty ideologies.
The springboard for Nawaz’s discussion was the suggestion made by Dominic Raab on Sunday that, under plans currently being considered by the government, shops, restaurants and pubs could require customers to show vaccine passports.
Although the Foreign Secretary’s comments appear to put him at odds with No 10, which has repeatedly ruled out using them within the UK, Raab insisted that the prospect of Brits being given a document to prove they have been immunised against Covid has not been ruled out, either at a “domestic or local level”.
Cue the onslaught of LBC callers accusing the Government of “medical tyranny”. “Might as well be living in communist China,” raged one. “Civil liberties have gone out the window,” spluttered another. The very notion of making a small sacrifice to safeguard others was branded “discriminatory”.
Not one of those callers saw fit to list the tyrannical, discriminatory and alarmingly altruistic rules and practices we all live by in our day-to-day lives. By and large, we all stop at red lights and adhere to speed limits despite the fact that it slows us down. Most of us don’t drink and drive, cognisant even without the chilling statistics that have been drilled into us that hundreds of people are killed by drunk drivers each year with thousands more seriously injured. Similarly aware of the ongoing knife crime epidemic, most of us don’t carry knives, nor guns – although if you buy into American gun-nut thinking, this would arguably make us feel safer.
We no longer smoke in offices, pubs, planes and public places – so there’s another “human right” withdrawn. Because although we’re still free to kill ourselves, the lawmakers governing our civilised society have decided they would rather you didn’t exterminate innocent bystanders as you suck on that right. Despite the fact that it infringes our “civil liberties”, we don’t stash bags of nuts in our kids’ schoolbags. We are limited to buying two packs of paracetamol in Sainsbury’s and accept that even laxatives are now restricted by many chemists – again, not just for our own safety, but the safety of others.
We are made to walk through metal detectors at airports and have our luggage scanned for explosives. We accept that the meat or dairy products we might bafflingly have decided to take with us on foreign trips will be confiscated by customs and we sign away our rights, one boring, humiliating form at a time, at every stage of international travel.
But, interestingly, vaccine passport dissenters are far less sceptical about all this – particularly when it concerns arrivals into the UK. Indeed, the only anger incurred by the Government’s belated testing and quarantine regulations seems to have been about “why it took them so long to clamp down”.
The “individual” Nawaz defended on his show is livid at the idea of being endangered by others, you understand, but it is his or her right to be selfish, reckless and dangerous; to privilege their identity to the detriment of the rights and freedoms of others.
How vaccine passports would work – or, indeed, whether they would work – is another discussion. But it is truly depressing that, in the desperate circumstances we find ourselves in, one LBC caller could demand to know “why should it be mandatory to have something that you don’t want?”
Had my nine-year-old been the one to ask that question, it would have plunged me into the depths of despair."
I'm afraid it's you that's the drama Queen reg. Grow up and TCOY and yours. ATB
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 8:35:14 GMT
Reg you are a Plonker but don't cost someone else their life with your bravado. Perhaps think about this :- "It was the following sentence, rattled off so casually by LBC presenter Maajid Nawaz on his weekend afternoon show, that left me standing slack-jawed by the kettle, long after it had boiled. According to the former activist turned radio host, the national debate about vaccine passports could be boiled down to a pithy one-liner: it’s about “not stamping on individual rights in the name of group rights”. Effectively forcing us to get the vaccine “doesn’t sit right with me”, he said.
But there’s a word for that overarching social sacrifice, isn’t there? More than one, in fact: selflessness, altruism, humanitarianism, social conscience, public spirit… take your pick. So Nawaz’s sentence could baldly be rephrased: “We shouldn’t be stopped from privileging ourselves over others.”
I’m glad my nine-year-old wasn’t there to hear it. From the moment a child is born, parents do everything they can to quash that instinctive but noxious instinct all the way through into adulthood. And we don’t just do it for society, urging kids at every turn to hold the door open for others, help others and think of others, but because only when armed with courtesy, grace, empathy and civility can they hope to enjoy life in the democracy they were lucky enough to be born into.
Nawaz is right about one thing, though: it’s important to boil arguments down. Because as helpful as it has been to have a term to hide self-centeredness behind since the pandemic hit – and to use and abuse the excuse-all “personal rights” in order to avoid wearing masks, socially distancing or, indeed, adhering to any of the scientific guidelines drawn up to save lives – we cannot hope to emerge from the waking nightmare in which we’re all trapped together if we persist in concealing our true motivations behind lofty ideologies.
The springboard for Nawaz’s discussion was the suggestion made by Dominic Raab on Sunday that, under plans currently being considered by the government, shops, restaurants and pubs could require customers to show vaccine passports.
Although the Foreign Secretary’s comments appear to put him at odds with No 10, which has repeatedly ruled out using them within the UK, Raab insisted that the prospect of Brits being given a document to prove they have been immunised against Covid has not been ruled out, either at a “domestic or local level”.
Cue the onslaught of LBC callers accusing the Government of “medical tyranny”. “Might as well be living in communist China,” raged one. “Civil liberties have gone out the window,” spluttered another. The very notion of making a small sacrifice to safeguard others was branded “discriminatory”.
Not one of those callers saw fit to list the tyrannical, discriminatory and alarmingly altruistic rules and practices we all live by in our day-to-day lives. By and large, we all stop at red lights and adhere to speed limits despite the fact that it slows us down. Most of us don’t drink and drive, cognisant even without the chilling statistics that have been drilled into us that hundreds of people are killed by drunk drivers each year with thousands more seriously injured. Similarly aware of the ongoing knife crime epidemic, most of us don’t carry knives, nor guns – although if you buy into American gun-nut thinking, this would arguably make us feel safer.
We no longer smoke in offices, pubs, planes and public places – so there’s another “human right” withdrawn. Because although we’re still free to kill ourselves, the lawmakers governing our civilised society have decided they would rather you didn’t exterminate innocent bystanders as you suck on that right. Despite the fact that it infringes our “civil liberties”, we don’t stash bags of nuts in our kids’ schoolbags. We are limited to buying two packs of paracetamol in Sainsbury’s and accept that even laxatives are now restricted by many chemists – again, not just for our own safety, but the safety of others.
We are made to walk through metal detectors at airports and have our luggage scanned for explosives. We accept that the meat or dairy products we might bafflingly have decided to take with us on foreign trips will be confiscated by customs and we sign away our rights, one boring, humiliating form at a time, at every stage of international travel.
But, interestingly, vaccine passport dissenters are far less sceptical about all this – particularly when it concerns arrivals into the UK. Indeed, the only anger incurred by the Government’s belated testing and quarantine regulations seems to have been about “why it took them so long to clamp down”.
The “individual” Nawaz defended on his show is livid at the idea of being endangered by others, you understand, but it is his or her right to be selfish, reckless and dangerous; to privilege their identity to the detriment of the rights and freedoms of others.
How vaccine passports would work – or, indeed, whether they would work – is another discussion. But it is truly depressing that, in the desperate circumstances we find ourselves in, one LBC caller could demand to know “why should it be mandatory to have something that you don’t want?”
Had my nine-year-old been the one to ask that question, it would have plunged me into the depths of despair."
I'm afraid it's you that's the drama Queen reg. Grow up and TCOY and yours. ATB
That’s a nicely put article, swatcat. Even if it did pass over a certain person’s head while addressing his point. Now that was funny Rob, nothing original, but still funny. 🦧 More to follow...dogs out again. Setafano, get that wine in the ice bucket? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 11:55:03 GMT
...and breathe.
Choices, choices, and choices? We spend our lives making choices, and if my decision to not have the jab thingy comes back and bites me on the arse and kills me...I’ll have to live with that.
Many years ago I met a guy called Julian Knight. He was having some time out and so was I...so to speak. We had both made choices, my choice you know about, his choice was to shoot dead seven people and wound nineteen others, on a quiet day in Melbourne!
We didn’t talk, he was deep in thought and I occasionally looked at him. I didn’t look at him with any aversion, think he was a plonker or deluded...he had made a choice.
As I have mentioned many times before, far too many people are just sheep and follow blindly, without any thoughts of their own.
So this time Setefano you can open a bottle of wine and enjoy the warm weather, and do the Hokey Cokey. My thoughts will mosey over to that wonderful thread ‘Remotely interested’ and trying to find songs with the word ‘Down’ in them. 🥳
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