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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 14:33:13 GMT
Flyingull I doubt they would have needed to take any measures, and still have been assured of a lower death rate than the UK. link - Britain Unhealthiest In Europelink - Unhealthiest and Most Obese In Europelink - Britons Most Unhealthy In EuropeSome of those links are more than a decade apart. Generation after generation of the unhealthiest people in Europe, and at the mercy of a creaking State run Health Service. If something like coronavirus turns up, when you factor in the proportion of our population made up of ethnicities seemingly more susceptible to dying of Covid compared to the EU average, then tell the population that instead of looking to it for help, instead they need to protect the State Health Service, so it requires turfing out the old and reminding them it’s their duty to go back to the Care Homes to die quietly in their tens of thousands to help keep the NHS protected ….. who wouldn’t have lumped their money on us having the highest death rate ? We were odds on favourites to be worst at prevention, and so have instead been telling the public that the cure is on its way. It’s precisely because we’re so bad, so unhealthy and dropping like flies, that we're saying our need to get a vaccine first is most important. If we’re not allowed to be at the front of the queue, there wouldn’t be many of us left by the time our turn came around
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Post by flyinggull on Jan 27, 2021 14:43:20 GMT
Flyingull I doubt they would have needed to take any measures, and still have been ensured of a lower death rate than the UK. link - Britain Unhealthiest In Europelink - Unhealthiest and Most Obese In Europelink - Britons Most Unhealthy In EuropeSome of those links are more than a decade apart. Generation after generation of the unhealthiest people in Europe, and at the mercy of a creaking State run Health Service. If something like coronavirus turns up, when you factor in the proportion of our population made up of ethnicities seemingly more susceptible to dying of Covid compared to the EU average, then tell the population that instead of looking to it for help, instead they need to protect the State Health Service, so it requires turfing out the old and reminding them it’s their duty to go back to the Care Homes to die quietly in their tens of thousands to help keep the NHS protected ….. who wouldn’t have lumped their money on us having the highest death rate ? We were odds on favourites to be worst at prevention, and so have instead been telling the public that the cure is on its way. It’s precisely because we’re so bad, so unhealthy and dropping like flies, that we're saying our need to get a vaccine first is most important. If we’re not allowed to be at the front of the queue, there wouldn’t be many of us left by the time our turn came around I reject this as this was when we was part of the EU so obviously the numbers are going to be fudged haha sorry slipped into brexiteer mode there
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Post by swatcat on Jan 28, 2021 9:27:31 GMT
In the DT today - IMO a long but rewarding read :- " How the UK's vaccine gamble paid off – and the EU left itself without a leg to stand on - AstraZeneca finds itself under intense pressure from Brussels, but is remaining fiercely loyal to the UK GovernmentBack in March, the University of Oxford was on the brink of signing a deal with the German drugs giant Merck to research and develop a coronavirus vaccine. The Government stepped in and helped steer Oxford towards a partnership with British-based AstraZeneca instead, taking a huge gamble by helping to fund the research and development of a vaccine that might have proved useless. Instead, the Oxford vaccine became only the second in the Western world to be approved for use, and both the UK and AstraZeneca are now reaping the benefits of the deal that was struck last April. AstraZeneca has, so far, remained fiercely loyal to the Government, resolutely refusing to give in to EU demands that it should redirect supplies of its UK-made vaccine to the bloc. But that close relationship has come under unprecedented strain as the company found itself under huge pressure from Brussels. The row erupted last Friday, when AstraZeneca said it would not be able to fulfil promised supplies of the vaccine, which is expected to be authorised by the European Medicines Authority at the end of this week. Brussels had ordered up to 400 million doses in total and paid €336 million (£296.4 million) in advance to secure its supply of the AstraZeneca vaccine, but the company said it was facing production problems in its EU plants. EU officials said AstraZeneca had only offered a quarter of the 100 million doses it had promised for the first quarter of the year, while the firm put the figure at 31 million out of 80 million jabs it had hoped to deliver. The EU's 27 member states, many of whom had foregone other vaccines to wait for the AstraZeneca jab – which is cheaper and easier to store than the Belgian-made Pfizer alternative – were furious and wanted answers. The European Commission, which had negotiated its own contract with AstraZeneca, was left red-faced and angry. And so the blame game began. On Monday, the commission subjected AstraZeneca to a string of public and private dressing downs, accusing it of breaching its contractual obligations. The commission ratcheted up the pressure, saying it would force drugmakers in the EU to ask permission to export vaccines out of the bloc. The threat to British supplies of the Pfizer vaccine was clear. On Wednesday, the EU went further, demanding that AstraZeneca divert British-made supplies of the vaccine to the bloc. T he British Government has a deal with AstraZeneca to supply 100 million doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine. Crucially it also said Britain's two plants could only supply jabs outside of the UK once that order was fulfilled. That agreement was struck three months before the EU's deal as ministers took advantage of their post-Brexit freedom to go it alone rather than signing up to EU-wide procurement.While Britain was setting up its logistics and sorting out supply chains, the EU's negotiations with AstraZeneca became mired in bureaucracy, costing the bloc vital time which has now been manifested in its supply problems. On Tuesday, the AstraZeneca CEO, Pascal Soriot, said separate supply chains, including manufacturing plants, had been created for each order – one for the EU and one for the UK. This was done explicitly to stop squabbling over supply. The EU supply chain was behind because the bloc, late to the party, was still experiencing teething problems with production – problems the UK supply chain had also suffered initially but had overcome. Mr Soriot added that AstraZeneca was under no contractual obligation to supply the vaccines but only to make its "best efforts" to meet the order. His interview – in which he pointed out that the vaccines were being supplied on a not for profit basis – further infuriated the European Commission top brass. Brussels has made huge play of the virtue of negotiating as a bloc, a posture that has appeared increasingly ridiculous as it lagged behind Britain in the vaccination rollout. To make matters worse, the EU member states have been suffering from logistics and delivery problems for the other two vaccines already approved. The Government was invited to join the EU joint procurement system but declined and made use of emergency authorisation procedures, open to all EU member states, to speed up approval of vaccines. Brussels sneered that it preferred not to take such risks. Mr Soriot's implication that the EU's dithering was to blame for the delay came on the eve of EU countries such as Spain running out of vaccines and having to pause their programmes. On Wednesday, the commission went back on the attack. It accused Mr Soriot of revealing confidential information, such as the "best efforts" clause and the production capacity, in his interview. Legal action was threatened before the threat was later played down. Stella Kyriakides, the EU's health commissioner, told reporters in Brussels: "We reject the logic of first come, first served. That might work at the neighbourhood butchers, but not on our contracts and not in our advanced purchase agreements." Ms Kyriakides said there was "no priority clause" in the EU contract between the four production plants in the agreement, which include two factories in the EU and the two in the UK, adding: "In our contract, it is not specified that any country or the UK has priority this needs to be absolutely clear." The European Commission's chief spokesperson said: "If UK plants are working better, are we expecting UK plants to deliver doses to the EU? Yes we do. " Elsewhere in Brussels, AstraZeneca's name continued to be dragged through the mud. There was talk of a nascent vaccine trade war from one German MEP. Ms Kyriakides turned the knife and played to the gallery; making the reputational risk facing AstraZeneca in the EU crystal clear. She said the EU was losing people to the pandemic "every day" and added: "Pharmaceutical companies, vaccine developers, have moral societal and contractual responsibilities which they need to uphold." In the heightened political drama, it mattered little that AstraZeneca is already right on the limit of what is possible. The 100 million doses destined for Britain is what would normally be produced in a year rather than each month. AstraZeneca stayed firm and loyal to the UK, justifying the Government's decision to move first and fast. But the company remains under huge, sustained legal, financial and reputational pressure from the EU, which is a much larger and more lucrative drugs market than Britain. The fear is that eventually it will yield to EU demands and redirect supply, now or in the future, but the firm insists it has no intention of doing so. After another meeting with EU leaders on Wednesday night, a spokesman for AstraZeneca said: "Our CEO was pleased to participate in a meeting with the EU's vaccine steering board this evening. We had a constructive and open conversation about the complexities of scaling up production of our vaccine, and the challenges we have encountered. "We have committed to even closer co-ordination to jointly chart a path for the delivery of our vaccine over the coming months as we continue our efforts to bring this vaccine to millions of Europeans at no profit during the pandemic." In an ironic post-script, earlier this week Merck – the firm that had come so close to signing up with the University of Oxford – announced that it was abandoning its attempts to develop a vaccine after disappointing results in trials of two prototypes."
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Post by swatcat on Jan 28, 2021 10:28:29 GMT
Just for fun - showing the bad Company I tend to keep when not posting here, here's one view of the AZ - EU saga :-
"Not sure Pascal Soriot will be let back into France after his Petainesque collaborateur act avec les Rosbifs. If the EU mafiosi actually do prevent a Pfizer shipment, then Johnson will have to summon up his inner Lord Palmerston and call in a Vulcan raid to carpet-bomb Brussels.
I think that would be a proportionate and limited response in the circumstances."
Thanks to 'G' for that . . .
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Post by plainmoorpete on Jan 28, 2021 13:48:59 GMT
It is regrettable that AstraZeneca agreed to make and supply this vaccine to the world at cost price for the duration of the pandemic and now several EU countries are threatening to sue it. The long term damage here might be in future no pharmaceutical company agreeing to work for the common good.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 14:18:06 GMT
I notice that the Chinese government have now introduced Anal swabbing as opposed to Oral swabbing...allegedly it’s more receptive.
I know I have spoken against any form of testing/jabbing etc. But should the British government decide to do the same, I feel it would be my civic duty to find out if indeed I did have the nasty virus. 🕵️♂️
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Post by swatcat on Jan 28, 2021 15:00:44 GMT
Reg - pathetic.
Pete - just my take but I think the EU are trying to posture and not lose face and there'll be no litigation. I could be wrong. Meantime - Pascal Soriot is my HERO and he's a Frenchman ? That's not easy LOL
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Post by stewart on Jan 28, 2021 15:43:48 GMT
I gave up some time ago trying to work out what on earth he is talking about. However, there is no doubting what he meant with some sickening and disgusting insinuations about the new and legitimate US president on another thread, whom he believes is "seriously disturbed"! People in glass houses...?
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Post by flyinggull on Jan 28, 2021 17:22:20 GMT
I gave up some time ago trying to work out what on earth he is talking about. However, there is no doubting what he meant with some sickening and disgusting insinuations about the new and legitimate US president on another thread, whom he believes is "seriously disturbed"! People in glass houses...? Go on ask him what his point ias its fun and he is unable to answer
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 17:37:42 GMT
plainmoorpete Very true Pete. I did read through the interview with m.Soriot yesterday, to get some idea of the pressure that he and his Company were being put under by the Evil Empire across the channel. While now deciding to stop vaccines leaving the EU unless they first give permission shouldn't surprise us too much, as it sounds rather in character for a protectionist bloc, it could have unwanted consequences if it slows down or prevents the vaccine getting to other parts of the world. m.Soriot gave an indication of how he disapproved of the EU's change of stance. And now that the EU are a bit narked, what a surprise that the Germans lead the way in casting doubt on the AZ vaccine for those aged 65 and above. Will exceedingly loyal Old Mother Soriot regret not having a Pfeizer jab when she had the chance ? Somehow I doubt it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 19:28:28 GMT
I gave up some time ago trying to work out what on earth he is talking about. However, there is no doubting what he meant with some sickening and disgusting insinuations about the new and legitimate US president on another thread, whom he believes is "seriously disturbed"! People in glass houses...? Ok, I accept responsibility...it’s my fault...have you ever said those words Stewart? Yes it’s my fault because I keep forgetting who I am dealing with: people who are devoid of humour, people who are devoid of interest, people who are devoid of intelligence (I don’t include you in any of this post AJ) people who are in fact devoid of anything. On a number of occasions I have wanted/asked Stewart, Rob and Quasimodo (The Biden Bunch) to comment on the clip on the other thread. Have I received any comments about that odious man sniffing babies, and molesting young girls...not a whisper. And why is that, because you condone it, and in all likelihood practice it. Stewart says I have made sickening and disgusting insinuations. Insinuations...Blind Pew can see what that sickening and disgusting man is doing...although seemingly, you cannot. You say you are unable to work out what on earth I am talking about, of course you don’t understand, to all intents and purposes you have been dead for many years...you just don’t realise it yet. You think there’s something wrong with me...take a good look at yourself Stewart. I know that tomorrow, Stewart, Rob and Quasimodo will still look upon themselves as perfect beings, I’ll still be wrong and they’ll be right...as they’ve always been. The sun will rise in the east tomorrow, and Stewart, Rob and Quasimodo will fill the site with their wonderful banter, and brilliant thoughts...hopefully I’ll die in my sleep. “Whoosh”
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Post by flyinggull on Jan 28, 2021 20:11:30 GMT
I gave up some time ago trying to work out what on earth he is talking about. However, there is no doubting what he meant with some sickening and disgusting insinuations about the new and legitimate US president on another thread, whom he believes is "seriously disturbed"! People in glass houses...? Ok, I accept responsibility...it’s my fault...have you ever said those words Stewart? Yes it’s my fault because I keep forgetting who I am dealing with: people who are devoid of humour, people who are devoid of interest, people who are devoid of intelligence (I don’t include you in any of this post AJ) people who are in fact devoid of anything. On a number of occasions I have wanted/asked Stewart, Rob and Quasimodo (The Biden Bunch) to comment on the clip on the other thread. Have I received any comments about that odious man sniffing babies, and molesting young girls...not a whisper. And why is that, because you condone it, and in all likelihood practice it. Stewart says I have made sickening and disgusting insinuations. Insinuations...Blind Pew can see what that sickening and disgusting man is doing...although seemingly, you cannot. You say you are unable to work out what on earth I am talking about, of course you don’t understand, to all intents and purposes you have been dead for many years...you just don’t realise it yet. You think there’s something wrong with me...take a good look at yourself Stewart. I know that tomorrow, Stewart, Rob and Quasimodo will still look upon themselves as perfect beings, I’ll still be wrong and they’ll be right...as they’ve always been. The sun will rise in the east tomorrow, and Stewart, Rob and Quasimodo will fill the site with their wonderful banter, and brilliant thoughts...hopefully I’ll die in my sleep. “Whoosh” I believe i responded to your statement on the other thread when you asked 'why did Americans vote for him?' I responded with 'the alternative was far worse' Do you remember the exhange that followed? And what you asked me?
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Post by Rob on Jan 28, 2021 20:42:50 GMT
Glad you’re thinking of me, Reg.
Sorry to have ignored one of your posts, but had I know you’d be so upset about it, I may have said something similar to what you already will have read from me about his predecessor. Although possibly I mightn’t have bothered as I rather see the Remotely Interested thread as your playpen most days.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2021 8:30:10 GMT
And yet again The Three Deviants will not discuss that clip!
Rob ranting on about playpens, and Quasi just ranting!
Will you, or will you not discuss what your fellow Deviant is doing in that clip?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2021 10:05:12 GMT
What you don’t understand Rob, is that I know you...or at least I know of your ilk. I know what you think...I know what dresses you wear. I know what Quasi thinks...which isn’t a lot. I knew what Quasi was like after his first post, hence my post with rolling eyes to AJ. I know that he’s unsure of his sexuality ever since his mother found a stack of gay magazines under his bed and told him he’d go to hell. So now he doesn’t know if he has to give it or take it.
You may remember that I used to work with intellectually disabled prisoners, and also with the planets worst sex offenders and murderers.
Deano was stood on a train platform and saw a guy wearing a jacket that Deano liked. When the guy told him to sod off Deano stabbed him to death and then went and hid in a toilet with the jacket. When the Old Bill found him there covered in blood, the first thing Deano said was “I didn’t stab him.” So what Deano was doing (in his simple mind...and he was simple) was trying to divert what was really happening, by hoping the Old Bill would look elsewhere...he might have got away with it in this country. Do you notice any similarities there?
Kevin, had wanted to have a date with a girl, but when she refused him he disembowelled her and took out her heart. When he related the story, he stood there with his hand out and you could tell the girls heart was back in his hand. He was battling internally with himself, but externally...he was back there, and enjoying it. Do you notice any similarities?
”Whoosh”
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