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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 14:03:00 GMT
PLAGIARISM !!Where TFF leads, Official Leave EU follows ....eventually. While nothing can be proved, this looks highly suspicious. A couple of hours after our Betty & BoJo meeting, LeaveEU put out something remarkably similar, even to the extent of the Queen saying 'bloody' ....and they get a 'like' from no less than Aaron Banks ! But leaving that injustice aside, today’s developments won’t deflect Prime Minister BoJo from working as hard as ever to secure a good deal for the UK. In fact there must still be a reasonable chance that Boris can come to an agreement with the EU and put it to parliament for its approval so that we don’t actually leave at the end of October without a deal. Thereby assuaging the concerns of those most opposed to 'No Deal’ The difficulty is that a deal was arranged that the other 27 EU member Governments were happy with, indeed the British Government was happy with as well...the only fly in the ointment was the British parliament who said it was not good enough. And so, to the EU’s annoyance everyone has attempted to find something more to the UK parliament’s liking. With further extensions agreed in order to do so. But it’s now well over 3 years since the instruction was received from the people of the UK to leave the UK. Assured before they went into the polling booth by their Government that their decision would be implemented. MPs voted by a large majority for Article 50 whereby you Leave with No Deal if you’ve not agreed one within 2 years. After this MPs got themselves elected by standing on manifestos to respect the result of the Referendum. In fact Tory MPs such as Woolaston garnered voted by standing on a manifesto declaring that ‘No Deal was better than a bad deal’. But now, once they were back in parliament, those MP’s voted down the deal put before them as ‘bad’ 3 times, but then refuse to implement the ‘no deal’ part of their pledge. And then rub undemocratic salt in the wound by refusing to stand before the constituents they deliberately misled, and allow those people a by-election in order to vote for someone more likely to keep their word. The implementation of our democratic decision has been delayed far too long already. A deal in place before we leave might have been preferential, but as that’s not been possible in over 3 years, then work on achieving a deal after we’ve left is the option we need to move on to. That said, I deplore the triumphalist response from both the corgis and Her Majesty, and would just ask them whether Remainers would be crowing if the Referendum result was binned and Article 50 revoked ? Surely Remainers would quietly accept it as necessary, but with a heavy heart (the hell they would ) and probably work something in about ‘best interests of the country’So whatever our views, let’s remain united, in the same way we would under a Corbyn led government of national unity.
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Post by Rob on Aug 28, 2019 16:11:43 GMT
Having said it’s not something he wants to do it ends up being the first thing he actually does when it comes to parliamentary sovereignty. A dark day for this country. Only a fool would revel in it. I see two already have.
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Post by stewart on Aug 29, 2019 0:27:56 GMT
On his "holier than thou" site, Mr Merson has said this about the Queen: "F****g useless old c**t; I hope her second son gets extradited to face charges of paedophilia ~ one job she's got and she's to bleddy old and frail to do it properly". I've had to abbreviate the two objectionable words as they would undoubtedly be replaced by milder synonyms on this site which is much better moderated than the other one.
Whatever people's views on Brexit and what Boris Johnson is currently doing to push it through in a manner unacceptable to some, that comment should live long in the memory of those who appreciate what that woman has done for this country and how she has devoted herself to its service.
I have always regarded Alan Merson as an arrogant and conceited know-it-all who, according to him, has met and spoken to every player, manager and owner of every club during the past fifty years. However, this latest offering by him is nothing short of vile and disgusting.
I wish that there were some mechanism whereby I could report what he has said to some authority which could ask him to explain his comment, but sadly I don't believe that there is, as he is able to say whatever he likes on his own site. I know that there are many supporters who post on both sites, and I would simply ask them all to call him out on this shocking abuse and tell him that it is totally unacceptable.
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Post by plainmoorpete on Aug 29, 2019 3:51:28 GMT
I wish that there were some mechanism whereby I could report what he has said to some authority which could ask him to explain his comment, but sadly I don't believe that there is, It's a pity the former East Germany no longer exists, you could have had a whale of a time there snitching on your neighbours to the stasi.
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Post by rjdgull on Aug 29, 2019 7:12:45 GMT
I wish that there were some mechanism whereby I could report what he has said to some authority which could ask him to explain his comment, but sadly I don't believe that there is, It's a pity the former East Germany no longer exists, you could have had a whale of a time there snitching on your neighbours to the stasi. Free speech includes the right to offend and also to be wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 8:18:19 GMT
On his "holier than thou" site, Mr Merson has said this about the Queen: "F****g useless old c**t; I hope her second son gets extradited to face charges of paedophilia ~ one job she's got and she's to bleddy old and frail to do it properly". I've had to abbreviate the two objectionable words as they would undoubtedly be replaced by milder synonyms on this site which is much better moderated than the other one. Whatever people's views on Brexit and what Boris Johnson is currently doing to push it through in a manner unacceptable to some, that comment should live long in the memory of those who appreciate what that woman has done for this country and how she has devoted herself to its service. I have always regarded Alan Merson as an arrogant and conceited know-it-all who, according to him, has met and spoken to every player, manager and owner of every club during the past fifty years. However, this latest offering by him is nothing short of vile and disgusting. I wish that there were some mechanism whereby I could report what he has said to some authority which could ask him to explain his comment, but sadly I don't believe that there is, as he is able to say whatever he likes on his own site. I know that there are many supporters who post on both sites, and I would simply ask them all to call him out on this shocking abuse and tell him that it is totally unacceptable. Poor old Merse, still holding court is he? Has he ever stood in the stands? Every week he's sat in some directors box somewhere, talking to people that have long been dead! All you have to remember Stewert, is that Merse is more to be pitied than scolded!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 10:08:18 GMT
Thank you!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 12:47:10 GMT
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Post by stewart on Aug 31, 2019 0:24:05 GMT
I wish that there were some mechanism whereby I could report what he has said to some authority which could ask him to explain his comment, but sadly I don't believe that there is, It's a pity the former East Germany no longer exists, you could have had a whale of a time there snitching on your neighbours to the stasi. Let's get something straight. I signed up to BTPIR because I used to enjoy reading Merson's match previews which contained details about opponents' grounds, histories of the clubs being hosted and visited, and various other bits of information. These postings have always been of particular interest to me because I have not attended a Torquay United match since 2010 because I have cancer. Some years ago, I became interested in posts by Jon and Barton Downs about how the team had developed during the 1950s and 1960s in terms of formation, shape, tactics and ambition, and I wrote a few lengthy pieces on that subject. Merson at the time said that my postings were the best he had ever seen on a TUFC board on that subject, and I felt pleased because I thought that he was someone who had an intimate knowledge of the club in the interim. I didn't know him and totally misjudged him. His recent postings about all of the people involved in BREXIT have been nothing short of vile. I actually voted "leave" in the 2016 referendum, but I feel that the whole process has been badly conducted by Parliament as a whole, and I have no respect for those parties who are attempting to overthrow a democratic vote, but equally I have little time for Boris Johnson who is trying to create some kind of dictatorship, using BREXIT as a stepping stone. In the meantime, we have Mr Merson using vile, crude and unacceptable language when describing a lady who has devoted her life to serving her country in as dignified and gracious a manner as possible. Even if he believes that the monarchy should not exist all, there is no excuse for calling her a f*****g useless old c**t, and yes, I would report him to the appropriate authorities in the same way that football managers are reported to the FA when referees are criticised and insulted. I shall not be visiting his site again, because it reeks of egoism and bigotry.
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Post by rjdgull on Aug 31, 2019 7:12:13 GMT
Sorry to hear you have cancer that is preventing you getting to Plainmoor and I wish you all the best the best in this respect. Personally I just stick to the Torquay United pages on that site so I am generally unaware of his comments until you post them on here. Your analogy does fall down though as both referees and football managers operate within the structures of the F A and therefore have a duty of care. Thankfully we all live in a free country and therefore can be critical as we all like subject to safeguards such as incitement to racial hatred or terrorism etc.
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Post by stewart on Sept 2, 2019 23:46:35 GMT
I wasn't sure whether to put this comment on this thread or the Remotely Interested one, but there seems to be some kind of private war taking place on the latter and I don't wish to intrude.
Today's news included an announcement by Johnson that he will expel from the Conservative party any MP who votes against the government, including Ken Clarke. Has anyone else considered that the role of Father of the House will pass to....Denis Skinner! Heaven forbid!
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Post by plainmoorpete on Sept 3, 2019 4:55:39 GMT
I wasn't sure whether to put this comment on this thread or the Remotely Interested one, but there seems to be some kind of private war taking place on the latter and I don't wish to intrude. Today's news included an announcement by Johnson that he will expel from the Conservative party any MP who votes against the government, including Ken Clarke. Has anyone else considered that the role of Father of the House will pass to....Denis Skinner! Heaven forbid! No he wouldn't. First of all Johnson, or any PM, cannot sack a mp, only have the whip removed. Clarke would still be an mp. Secondly Skinner has said in the past he would not accept the title. Anyway it is just a honorific title with no practical importance attached to it.
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Post by stewart on Sept 4, 2019 22:58:04 GMT
I wasn't sure whether to put this comment on this thread or the Remotely Interested one, but there seems to be some kind of private war taking place on the latter and I don't wish to intrude. Today's news included an announcement by Johnson that he will expel from the Conservative party any MP who votes against the government, including Ken Clarke. No he wouldn't. First of all Johnson, or any PM, cannot sack a mp, only have the whip removed. Clarke would still be an mp. Well actually, by removing the whip, he has in effect sacked them, because they have all now been forced to represent their constituencies as independents. Nicholas Soames and Alistair Burt have decided that they have had enough of politics because of him, and many of the others have probably realised that their own constituencies are so entrenched in conservatism that they have little chance of getting back into the House of Commons. There is no way that I could ever be a supporter of the Conservative party but, unless this decision is reversed, Parliament will lose one of its greatest politicians of modern times, namely Kenneth Clarke, whom I have always respected because of his dignity, clarity of thought and sense of fairness. When many other MPs are hooted and heckled during parliamentary sessions, there is absolute silence when Clarke is speaking, such is the respect in which he is held. And yet he is on the verge of being hounded out after nearly 50 years by a blustering, self-seeking idiot who was placed in position by a fraction of the people. At the age of 79, he is hardly likely to want to return with this nonsense going on, and that will be a sad and tragic end for a highly regarded politician.
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Post by stewart on Sept 4, 2019 23:23:25 GMT
I wasn't sure whether to put this comment on this thread or the Remotely Interested one, but there seems to be some kind of private war taking place on the latter and I don't wish to intrude. Today's news included an announcement by Johnson that he will expel from the Conservative party any MP who votes against the government, including Ken Clarke. Has anyone else considered that the role of Father of the House will pass to....Dennis Skinner! Heaven forbid! To me, Dennis Skinner is one of the finest MPs to ever sit in Parliament. I do not like his politics, but his commitment to his party and his constituents is second to none. He stands up for what he believes in, regardless as to how that may affect his popularity, something sadly lacking in most other MP's, who are so shallow they will jump on whatever fleeting issue will get them exposure or promotion. He is a man of honesty and decency, with principles and morals to match. How many of the current crop of MP's will still be attending the house at age 87? His only failing in my eyes is that he is a Labour MP. If he'd been leading the party after Brexit, it would have been done and dusted within 6 months. In fact I completely agree with everything you have said about him, particularly his longevity and dedication to the people of Bolsover. I do have great respect for him and am always pleased to see him sitting in his usual seat on BBC Parliament. Woe betide if he finds someone else sitting there! My comment "Heaven forbid" was simply intended to reflect the fact that he rarely speaks in the House of Commons, but on many occasions in the past he has said something outrageous and been instructed to leave by the speaker. There are many Youtube examples of this and they are hilarious. It would be a remarkable thing to witness if he ever became Father of the House and was asked to leave, although of course I know that the title has little or no significance and he would never want it anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 8:34:20 GMT
It's official, Boris is loved by the whole country! That song certainly beats 'Yellow Bloody Army!' ">
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