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Post by petef on Oct 28, 2017 12:45:57 GMT
Time to discover how much progress we have made though I believe things are on the up. How many times have we promised to put in a good run of results and failed though? Hartlepool, relegated last season will be no mugs and will be tough opposition in this very tight league.
Consistency and individual performances has been good this last week and needs to be maintained and I reckon the players will be under no illusion of what is expected.
No predictions but hoping for the short term upturn to be extended.
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Post by Swanny on Oct 28, 2017 17:59:50 GMT
Oh dear, a familiar outcome after a really decent first half performance. I remember saying in pre-season who will score the goals and we still have that problem. The sad thing is that in the first half we were a revelation, the best I've seen us play this season by some distance. The shape of the team, the fitness, the passing and movement was unrecognizable from previous home games. We looked solid at the back and was carving out clear chances. Keating missed the best, a clear header from around the 6 yard box in a central position. Crowd 1,987 with just under 200 from Hartlepool, sponsors MOTM going to Luke Young as usual.
Torquay were mainly in charge during the first half and had a spell when decent chances fell to them. Reid carried our main threat and laid an accurate cross for Keating who just needed to connect from close range to score but his header drifted wide. McQuoid made a great jinking run past defenders and his powerful shot was well parried by their keeper. There were other occasions when the ball whisked across the goal but was not finished off. It was good stuff to watch on the pitch and sitting in Bristows bench today made you appreciate the good coaching being done by our coaches from the dug-out. On any break in play, Owers typically called over a player e.g. Efete to give advice. You felt all the players knew their specific roles and we were in the driving seat. The very least we looked like getting was a draw. Dorel was hardly called into action and when he did he caught a cross very confidently. Were we watching a new successful Torquay?
The answer was given in the second half and was an emphatic NO! Hartlepool broke down their left, crossed in and headed in at close range. A familiar tale, we concede so many goals from crosses and headers. You still feel that our team have not got enough good players who are good at headers. Sure enough uncertainty crept into our game and you then wonder where our leaders are? Torquay lost their first half shape and momentum and made a double substitution to try and salvage something. It was a bit sad to see that we had no strikers on the bench. Dowling and Lathrope came on. Almost immediately a Hartlepool strike from outside the box got a wicked deflection and curled over Dorel into the net. Just like against Dover the other week you knew it was game over as Torquay never seriously looked like scoring until added time when it was too late.
Dowling made some great runs from midfield and Reid was still conjuring up the odd chance with his skill and vision. But once the ball got near their penalty box we seldom threatened to score and quite frankly we did not seem to have the nous to do so. We don't have that prolific striker like we had with Keiffer Moore or Williams last season and as stated earlier we don't have the players with heading ability to score from set pieces. For all our recent improvement we are still lacking in that most vital area - sticking the ball in the net!
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Post by Jon on Oct 28, 2017 18:50:27 GMT
Time to discover how much progress we have made The brutal answer would be not a lot. Played quite well in the first half but without looking really incisive. Second half, same old. Very frustrating. Lack of any attacking options on the bench did not help. Higgins off, Dowling on with a change of shape to 4-3-3 made sense, but I don't think Lathrope for Evans helped. Anderson for Young is, on the face of it, a very bizarre decision when we were chasing the game. Take off our most skillful and creative player whose dead ball delivery was our main (only?) threat. Replace him with Anderson who is: - an out and out defender - utterly shite - not full fit I think the "logic" was that Owers wanted to go to 4-2-4 with Myrie-Williams and McQuoid wide, and he felt he could not take Dowling or Lathrope off as he had only just brought them on - so Young had to go. With nothing to lose, why not go to a 3-2-1-4, three at the back and Young in a free role?
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Post by petef on Oct 29, 2017 9:48:17 GMT
Your right Jon, Owers was trying anything to change things including taking off a tiring Young and pushing Dowling further forward. I see nothing wrong in that we were struggling to make progress in that area and Dowling has ability enough to open up a defence. For me he is a "must start" additionally the same old problem of no proper buffer up front. We also struggled down the flanks I thought not really getting behind defenders though I thought Myrie Wiliams did ok. Its up top where the priorities now lie I believe but goal poachers/ proper center forwards as we used to call them don't grow on trees but that is the one signing that will either see us continue to struggle or dig ourselves out of the mire. Very disappointing second half and thalthough the first was good and showed plenty of progress has been made it also demonstrated how short of the required standard we still are.
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Post by chelstongull on Oct 29, 2017 18:50:15 GMT
A game of two halves as they say. Torquay just shading the first half and Hartlepool stepping up a gear from th start of the second half. Once that first goal went in, there would only be one winner. Shame the Monkey Hangers had to resort to time wasting of a biblical proportions when making their subs, no doubt helped by the inept ref. Are studs up tackles permitted nowadays?
If we have no striker on the bench and one on loan, could we not have bought Gray back?
Rumour has it that davis was absent due to the birth of his child, hope all went well and that there were no comlications but surely he could have put in an appearance?
Poor day and thank god for beer and curry.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 7:59:36 GMT
Now that the Owers bubble had burst how long do you think it will be before the knives are out! Has he been the revelation that some claimed or is he no better than Kev? Is the problem in the building and is the solution in the building? One man is to blame for calling the shots yet its the managers that get the dogs abuse!
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Post by chelstongull on Oct 30, 2017 12:52:16 GMT
Interesting words from GO
United now have a short break with the latest round of FA Cup fixtures coming up next weekend. Owers says he some players to leave on loan before the meeting with Maidenhead in an attempt to re-build some match fitness.
“Some of them have to do some work, some of them need a rest, so some will get an extra day off on Monday, that’s a consequence of the three games and the travelling. I have to have a think about possibly bringing a couple of players in or looking at other options.
“Some of the lads that need to have a think about how they’re going to get fit because there are no games here. My advice would be ‘go and get yourselves away for a month’. My current raft of loan players will be leaving in the same week in December and I need as many players as possible match fit and available.”
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Post by chelstongull on Oct 31, 2017 12:58:30 GMT
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Post by plainmoorpete on Nov 3, 2017 8:19:26 GMT
Now that the Owers bubble had burst how long do you think it will be before the knives are out! Has he been the revelation that some claimed or is he no better than Kev? Is the problem in the building and is the solution in the building? One man is to blame for calling the shots yet its the managers that get the dogs abuse! Owers has without doubt bought about an improvement in the overall performance of the team, but he was starting from a very low base, and unless totally incompetent couldn't fail to do better than Nicholson. However a return of 8 points from 24 is cause for concern. If this had been achieved during our first eight games it would put us just one place above the relegation zone. The problem is at the ownership level. We have an owner who knows SFA about football and is only involved for ulterior motives. I'm not saying the owner needs to be a yellow blooded TUFC fan, but it would help if they at least liked football.
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