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Post by stewart on May 7, 2017 0:34:29 GMT
There is so much crap floating around this board at the moment: the owner's intentions, who could be on the retained list, how much will the budget be, who will form the next government of the UK, blah, blah, blah, that I thought that I would lighten the mood by asking, for those who could care, the question in the title.
You have a choice: Howe, Armfield, Cohen, Newton, Neal, Stevens, Neville, Johnson. For me, it's Kyle Walker, pacy, committed, clever and very tactically aware. He is by far the best right back England have had in their international history, and I should be interested to know if anyone agrees, disagrees, or actually could be bothered to enter into a debate about this subject, which many people may find irrelevant and beyond their interest in football.
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Post by chelstongull on May 7, 2017 6:54:14 GMT
There is so much crap floating around this board at the moment: the owner's intentions, who could be on the retained list, how much will the budget be, who will form the next government of the UK, blah, blah, blah, that I thought that I would lighten the mood by asking, for those who could care, the question in the title. You have a choice: Howe, Armfield, Cohen, Newton, Neal, Stevens, Neville, Johnson. For me, it's Kyle Walker, pacy, committed, clever and very tactically aware. He is by far the best right back England have had in their international history, and I should be interested to know if anyone agrees, disagrees, or actually could be bothered to enter into a debate about this subject, which many people may find irrelevant and beyond their interest in football. Me, I'd like to know the budget, retained list, season ticker prices etc... Don't think there's been that much crappie... |
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Post by Rob on May 7, 2017 19:44:44 GMT
Mick Mills
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 20:40:10 GMT
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Post by stewart on May 8, 2017 1:01:18 GMT
Of course, one game for England, sorry, I had forgotten what an immense contribution he made. If this is your way of demonstrating the irrelevance of my question, then you couldn't have worked it out any better. No, actually you could have gone for Wes Brown. |
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Post by hector on May 8, 2017 5:59:35 GMT
Phil Neal was the right back when I was a kid, as he was for my favourites, Liverpool, at the time. My other favourite rig-back at the time was Steve Ritchie, being passionate about TUFC, but he was Scottish, so doesn't count.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 8:13:53 GMT
Stewart Having to make a selection based on contribution made rather than ability, would have led me to put forward a different name. Although I can't help feeling that the criteria you allow yourself to use for selecting Kyle Walker, i.e pacy, committed, clever, tactically aware - rather than number of caps, or England's great successes and tournament triumphs with Walker in the team, are ones you deny to others. That said, I'd wholeheartedly agree that Kyle Walker has had a truly fantastic couple of seasons, has developed into an outstanding International, and it's a struggle to think of many better who have played in the right back position for England. Certainly not the likes Mick Mills, who wasn't fit to lace Walker's boots  . |
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Post by Rob on May 8, 2017 16:51:23 GMT
Phil Neal was the right back when I was a kid. Him and Mick Mills were right backs when I was a kid, too. And Kyle Walker is very good. Nathaniel Clyne is not too bad, either. |
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Post by jerry on May 8, 2017 17:38:48 GMT
I would agree with Kyle Walker myself although I always thought Gary Neville was very under rated. Phil Neal is also a good shout.
And can I say what a pleasant change it is to see such a discussion recognising the merits of a current footballer. Far too often the players of today are simply dismissed as not possibly being able to match the greats of yesteryear.
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Post by Jon on May 8, 2017 23:37:24 GMT
My other favourite rig-back at the time was Steve Ritchie, being passionate about TUFC, but he was Scottish, so doesn't count. Hang on a minute. Steve Ritchie was a left back. Right back in the "Budleigh's big red felt tip pen team" was Freddie Pethard. Both TUFC and England seem to have fared better for left backs than right backs over the years. Phil Sandercock, Steve Ritchie, Tom Kelly, Paul Gibbs, Robbie Herrera, Brian McGlinchey, Kevin Nicholson. Ray Wilson, Terry Cooper, Kenny Sansom, Stuart Pearce, Ashley Cole. For my favourite England right backs I will put forward two players - both called Paul, born a month apart and who both racked up over 700 appearances for the same club. One an out and out right back, one a famous utility player whose best position was arguably at right back. I give you Paul Reaney and Paul Madeley. Is Kyle Walker better than the two Pauls? Probably. Despite the pull of nostalgia, I expect most top-flight players now - technically and fitness-wise - are better than those of the 1970s. |
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Post by stewart on May 9, 2017 0:54:00 GMT
And can I say what a pleasant change it is to see such a discussion recognising the merits of a current footballer. Far too often the players of today are simply dismissed as not possibly being able to match the greats of yesteryear. Actually the main reason why I decided to put up this thread is that it is so unusual for a current player to be (in my opinion) so far ahead, in terms of ability and impact, of his counterparts from previous eras. In filling in the other ten names on a hypothetical teamsheet, I believe that it would be necessary to examine the top players from every decade from the 1950s to the current one, based not so much on fitness or current techniques as on their importance to team(s) in which they played. For instance, there is no way that, say, Rio Ferdinand or John Stones would stand comparison with Bobby Moore. |
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Post by hector on May 9, 2017 5:40:53 GMT
My other favourite rig-back at the time was Steve Ritchie, being passionate about TUFC, but he was Scottish, so doesn't count. Hang on a minute. Steve Ritchie was a left back. Right back in the "Budleigh's big red felt tip pen team" was Freddie Pethard. Both TUFC and England seem to have fared better for left backs than right backs over the years. Phil Sandercock, Steve Ritchie, Tom Kelly, Paul Gibbs, Robbie Herrera, Brian McGlinchey, Kevin Nicholson. Ray Wilson, Terry Cooper, Kenny Sansom, Stuart Pearce, Ashley Cole. For my favourite England right backs I will put forward two players - both called Paul, born a month apart and who both racked up over 700 appearances for the same club. One an out and out right back, one a famous utility player whose best position was arguably at right back. I give you Paul Reaney and Paul Madeley. Is Kyle Walker better than the two Pauls? Probably. Despite the pull of nostalgia, I expect most top-flight players now - technically and fitness-wise - are better than those of the 1970s. For some reason in my memory, I always thought Pethard was the left-back but now you mention it. Although it ended the season in 9th place, that 79/80 team has always been one of my favourites, as had it not been for a 15 match run without a win, an exciting side could have done well, having been in 5th place on New Years Day 1980, after a win at Bournemouth. Players like Bourne, Turner, Coffill, Murphy, Cooper, Lawrence, Sermanni. Boxing Day 79 and Sermanni's glorious lob at home in a 2-0 win against Newport, a dangerous day, with their mob of fans roaming the stadium in pre-segregation days. |
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Post by gullone on May 9, 2017 13:55:28 GMT
My other favourite rig-back at the time was Steve Ritchie, being passionate about TUFC, but he was Scottish, so doesn't count. Hang on a minute. Steve Ritchie was a left back. Right back in the "Budleigh's big red felt tip pen team" was Freddie Pethard. Both TUFC and England seem to have fared better for left backs than right backs over the years. Phil Sandercock, Steve Ritchie, Tom Kelly, Paul Gibbs, Robbie Herrera, Brian McGlinchey, Kevin Nicholson. Phil Sandercock was left back when i made my first visit to Plainmoor back in 74. A very reliable penalty taker with that long run up and i dont think he ever missed one ! If my memory is correct Phil King and Colin Anderson were two other rather decent left backs that were to go on to better things also. |
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Post by plainmoorpete on May 10, 2017 14:33:26 GMT
Boxing Day 79 and Sermanni's glorious lob at home in a 2-0 win against Newport, a dangerous day, with their mob of fans roaming the stadium in pre-segregation days. They took over the mini stand and our wonderful local boys in blue protected them from any attempt by Torquay fans to get it back. That pissed me off because although the ground was unsegregated the local police never made any attempt to prevent away supporters getting into it. I remember a pre season friendly against oxford during the 70s when oxford fans took the mini stand simply by turning up before any one else did. When we tried this at away grounds the local plod were always there well before kick off to prevent us. |
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Post by gullone on May 10, 2017 15:18:34 GMT
Boxing Day 79 and Sermanni's glorious lob at home in a 2-0 win against Newport, a dangerous day, with their mob of fans roaming the stadium in pre-segregation days. They took over the mini stand and our wonderful local boys in blue protected them from any attempt by Torquay fans to get it back. That pissed me off because although the ground was unsegregated the local police never made any attempt to prevent away supporters getting into it. I remember a pre season friendly against oxford during the 70s when oxford fans took the mini stand simply by turning up before any one else did. I seem to remember taking my place in the mini stand and being surrounded by Wigan fans who had also arrived early in their first season back in 78. I think a bit of pushing and shoving followed by handbags at five paces and me having my silk scarve nicked but at least i went home with his Wigan scarve that evening..lol |
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