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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 13:54:40 GMT
'Why don't the club release a Statement denying 'X' or denying 'Y' ? How often have I read such sentiments in recent years, even when the club's staff numbers have been down to the bare bones, it would be increasingly impractical. It's just a fact of life that in this modern technological age, while you could take time explaining that there's no truth in certain anonymous claims, it only takes the perpetrators a few more key strokes and they've got three new rumours up and running. It would be a never ending task trying to counter the exaggerations and fake news stories. Just within the last few days I've read suggestions and hints on the Forums that G.I might be plundering the Players Fund for wholly unethical reasons, I've seen a picture posted of a clapped out, near derelict speedway stadium, and informed that it had just been built by G.I and that they were charging millions for it, and also speculation that G.I could be financially rewarding our opponents for successful attempts at maiming Torquay players. Almost of more concern were the 'Deception by Omission' tactics used by the BBC in reporting on Thursday's Press Conference. Consider the amount of crucial information that had to be left out in order to portray the false narrative that they were intent on presenting. Sadly, you can find those on the Forum's quite happy not to disguise the fact that their preference is for a version of events that keeps the reader in ignorance of Nicholson's words such as: 'I haven't got anything bad to say about Geoff or the new owners. When any new owners come in, you never know what they may have in mind. I had to be aware of what might happen, and it didn't. They could have sacked me, and they didn't. Their actions show that they are backing me'.The Fake News peddlers, many of them connected to and financing an organisation that wanted to get it's own hands on the club, will no doubt respond by upping their output and grinding their axe that bit harder, but it does seem that the club has finally decided that it's time to bite back against the underhand tactics of the deceivers, and proper steps will be taken helping us learn what's really happening from the horses mouth, rather than be taken in by a flood of misinformation. Dave Thomas' account of Thursday's Press Conference link - DT - What Nico ACTUALLY said , which informs us far more regarding what was actually said, shows up the BBC's propaganda piece for what it is. There will still be those who prefer a BBC filter that removes all the awkward quotes, that then allows the 'story' to be presented in the way it was...carefully chosen headline and all. The club also counters the spin of the Fake News merchants, by providing an account that also gives fans much more information of what Nico actually said, devoid of BBC censorship link - Press Call. TFF has already been more successful than most in countering the skewed 'information' which some TUST militants have tried to get us to swallow in the past. We gradually cottoned on to Ministry of TUST versions of reality when they were put before us, and firmly pointed out the impracticality of their warblings. Let us now join with the club in helping to fight the Fake News epidemic that both blights the Forums and misleads the fans. If the club is willing to devote resources to fight to get the truth out on a weekly basis, I'm sure TFF members will be pleased with this initiative and view it as a welcome and much needed alternative to the unwholesome diet of Fake News and exaggeration that has achieved little other than dividing the fans.
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Post by petef on Mar 31, 2017 15:31:41 GMT
Fake news,supposition and unfounded rumor -
Inevitable and a natural reaction from anyone who genuinely cares about our football club.
Usually there are a reasonable number who offer a more balanced alternative opinion who are certainly open minded with there reactions and postings on forums.
Not a single argument in there defense.
If the owners " seemingly" refuse to support the manager in his greatest hour of need without ANY explanation and turn their backs on communicating with supporters.
To many they were happy to see the club relegated without a fight and have not once mentioned the football side of things or praised the manager and squad for its recent unlikely upturn.
Before that single event event I would say that they had a narrow majority prepared to be open minded and give GI every chance to justify their plans.
Whether it was a miscalculation on their part I have no idea but in my eyes by doing nothing by disrespectfully ignoring the fan base have completely lost the battle and probably the war.
Finally they have responded and are holding an online question and answer session though I believe the damage is irreparable. For what its worth these were my questions to the owners that I emailed today. I don't expect straight honest answers.
No1. Why have you waited this long to communicate with supporters?
No2. Who is this mystery man Geoff Harrop, why does he hide away from the supporters ? ( HE IS NOW CONSIDERED BY MANY TO BE THE ENEMY OF THIS CLUB BECAUSE HE FAILS TO COMMUNICATE).
No3. Why does Kevin Nicholson have to do everyone's job?
No4. Why do you appear to not care what level the club ends up playing at?
No5. Why no funding to strengthen a desperately weak squad when the opportunity was there to improve our chances of staying in the National league? ( No explanation whatsoever so we can only presume you do not care).
No6. If you gain the freehold to Plainmoor will you build a stadium first before Plainmoor is developed to ensure the football club will always have a home no matter what the circumstances?
No7 It all about respect which works both ways so why do you have no respect for the people that really care about TUFC?
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Post by simonb on Mar 31, 2017 15:41:00 GMT
More fake news - GI are a massive and successful arena development company who have completed a series tremendously prestigious arenas around the country. You can find these impressive facilities at ? and. ? and. ? not forgetting ? (not an exhaustive list)!
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Post by Rob on Mar 31, 2017 19:20:06 GMT
Article 50 aside, it's been a wretched couple of weeks for AJ.
Even the most fair of fans was prepared to give GI a chance, but then came the awful realisation after the NL registration window slammed shut that "real news" of GI's deadline looming backing had stretched to a sum total of Hodgkiss returning to his parent club and a Club Update which failed to mention anything about football and plenty about Plainmoor's freehold.
Rumours abound that GI Joe has penned a question to Clarke Osbourne asking how he can possibly defend recent GI inaction on TFF and elsewhere, but these remain just rumours. It is more likely his supplementary asking for confirmation property development inevitably leads to endless revenue streams is the favourite to make the cut. Sadly though, I'm not sure AJ even believes his fake news posts this time. Desperately sad times.
There was a mention that GI had initially tried to suppress an ITV piece, but in line with AJ's professed 'fake flushing' desire, the poster was unable at that time to verify this as fact. Instead, I understand it passed with GI having refused to give an interview no less than four times in their new found quest for greater transparency. Better to formulate an answer when you have a bit of time to look at the questions and filter them first, I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 22:16:57 GMT
Good replies by petef and simonb, but an absolute shocker from Rob  . 'Even the most fair of fans was prepared to give G.I a chance' Perhaps I'm missing something, but those striving for fairness would have been the very ones I'd have predicted to give G.I a chance and not prejudge. 'There was a mention that GI had initially tried to suppress an ITV piece, but in line with AJ's professed 'fake flushing' desire, the poster was unable at that time to verify this as fact'. That poster shouldn't let this Campaign against Fake News overly concern him. Full verification/proof isn't required (we get precious few posts as it is, without discouraging posting) just the slightest indication that his 'information' hasn't been plucked out of the air. Some basis for the claim, however tenuous, is good enough  'Rumours abound that GI Joe has penned a question to Clarke Osbourne asking how he can possibly defend recent GI inaction on TFF and elsewhere, but these remain just rumours'. Hmmm, it's no good me trying to deny that one. And in my question to Clarke, I mentioned petef's point about refusing 'to support the manager in his greatest hour of need'. Well I was shocked by the abruptness of the reply, I can tell you  . 'Greatest hour of need my arse !....how come the results have improved after this greatest need ? Show them the league table, we've moved out of the relegation places. If I hadn't saved the club Nico wouldn't have any players at all...let alone be able to whine about not getting any new ones' ..............and so it continued. 'a Club Update which failed to mention anything about football' Rob is certainly not the only one to mention this but,tellingly, not one person that I have seen has indicated what they would have expected to see re football. 'Join me on Saturday in giving your full support to Nico and the lads' perhaps ? Or 'We're doing everything we can to help the team avoid relegation' ?. While fans could do no more that make the observation that football wasn't mentioned, it's my strong suspicion that they would have been twice as dissatisfied if he HAD mentioned football. Now would anything other than an ' It's all my fault Nico couldn't bring in any players, and I feel so guilty about it' honestly have been acceptable to you ? Personally, I wouldn't care tuppence to hear Clarke Osborne's attempts to pontificate on football. What we did get looked like authentic Osborne to me, and we could learn something of his thinking from it. Any football stuff would have had to be written for him...i.e 'fake views'. I'd prefer football talk to be left to Nico, Herrera or Harrop, who are all well capable of making some sensible observations on the subject. And with Weekly Q&A's they should be up for questioning soon, but Osborne understands business but doesn't know a centre half from a right winger, who is good or bad, or what the team needs....I wouldn't waste time attempting to discuss football with him as it'd be a waste of my time as well as his. All it indicates to me is that fans still haven't adjusted. When Thea was the Owner she could talk about her favourite player, how the team was playing, and how good that far post headed goal was in the last match, but getting comments from her concerning the intricacies of running the business, profit and loss sheets, and investment...and she might be able to parrot off what someone else had told her but little else. The Phillip's Board were no financial masterminds, and when there was any serious talk on that subject, Pete Masters had to be brought in to conduct things. Ask Osborne about aspects of the business he understands, but ask football questions to the football staff he employs. Now after learning I've had a wretched couple of weeks, I could really do with witnessing a home win at Plainmoor tomorrow to cheer me up . #SustainableSuccess #ClimbingWithClarke #TUFCFakeNewsJustSayNo #WeeklyForumTruthAtLast |
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Post by Jon on Mar 31, 2017 22:32:35 GMT
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Post by stewart on Mar 31, 2017 23:45:26 GMT
Good replies by petef and simonb, but an absolute shocker from Rob . 'a Club Update which failed to mention anything about football' Rob is certainly not the only one to mention this but,tellingly, not one person that I have seen has indicated what they would have expected to see re football. 'Join me on Saturday in giving your full support to Nico and the lads' perhaps ? Or 'We're doing everything we can to help the team avoid relegation' ?. While fans could do no more that make the observation that football wasn't mentioned, it's my strong suspicion that they would have been twice as dissatisfied if he HAD mentioned football. Now would anything other than an ' It's all my fault Nico couldn't bring in any players, and I feel so guilty about it' honestly have been acceptable to you ? Personally, I wouldn't care tuppence to hear Clarke Osborne's attempts to pontificate on football. What we did get looked like authentic Osborne to me, and we could learn something of his thinking from it. Any football stuff would have had to be written for him...i.e 'fake views'. I'd prefer football talk to be left to Nico, Herrera or Harrop, who are all well capable of making some sensible observations on the subject. And with Weekly Q&A's they should be up for questioning soon, but Osborne understands business but doesn't know a centre half from a right winger, who is good or bad, or what the team needs....I wouldn't waste time attempting to discuss football with him as it'd be a waste of my time as well as his. All it indicates to me is that fans still haven't adjusted. When Thea was the Owner she could talk about her favourite player, how the team was playing, and how good that far post headed goal was in the last match, but getting comments from her concerning the intricacies of running the business, profit and loss sheets, and investment...and she might be able to parrot off what someone else had told her but little else. The Phillip's Board were no financial masterminds, and when there was any serious talk on that subject, Pete Masters had to be brought in to conduct things. Ask Osborne about aspects of the business he understands, but ask football questions to the football staff he employs. Now after learning I've had a wretched couple of weeks, I could really do with witnessing a home win at Plainmoor tomorrow to cheer me up Unlike most people on this site, I have no idea what Alpine Joe's motivations or true feelings might be. However, when he says ad nauseam that Osborne understands business and has no interest in football, then I would say to him: why the hell has the man bought a football club, and why are you attempting to justify his actions ? #SustainableSuccess #ClimbingWithClarke #TUFCFakeNewsJustSayNo #WeeklyForumTruthAtLast[/quote] |
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Post by Rob on Apr 1, 2017 0:01:43 GMT
Thanks Jon for updating the fake news first brought to TFF's attention by AJ, who has been working overtime on April Fools Day posting the last day or so. Good old Bill Glass of GI. "Building stadia is our modus operandi" he states, whilst perhaps appearing to the uninitiated to state that they built Poole Stadium - a stadium existing at Wimborne Road since 1930. He was the GI man who enlightened Reading of the shortfall in money for a stadium (after demolition) in much the same way Truro City supporters got their unfortunate news from Pete "Watertight" Masters recently. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2017 11:57:39 GMT
Stewart As he's first up in the weekly Q&A Forum, his reasons for buying the club could well be a question that we'll see answered in his own words very soon. But I think his interview at the beginning of March at least involved discussion of that, whether or not you like or believe the answers he provided. Argyle will have had some owners with much more interest in the actual football than James Brent, but remember what a state that business ended up in, compared to the sustainable success it's steadily building now. When I drive 5 miles up the road to a big,warm, clean supermarket, with a huge array of produce, efficient staff, and reasonable prices....the fact that the business owners aren't particularly interested in groceries any more than they would be if they owned a business making steel pipes or garden gnomes, doesn't concern me in the least. And does history show that a 'fan' owner is best anyway ? Isn't there more likelihood of the heart ruling the head, expenditure on one aspect of the business while other important considerations are neglected ? But let's remember that Thea and Kelvin Thomas scoured the globe in an attempt to find anyone willing to take on the business. And so it stayed on life support for a little longer as the players piled into a minibus for away matches, yet people then expect there to be even the remotest chance that 'ideal bedfellows' are going to appear out of nowhere, and selflessly sink a fortune into the team and love the club more than they do their own children. That prospective owner was nowhere to be seen when Thea searched the four corners of the earth, and I'm just as certain they don't exist now either. I think it would be nice if saying that making up Fake News in order to smear Osborne & G.I was unjustified, didn't have to automatically imply that you must therefore believe every action they take is justified. But we all know how Forums work, so I won't let that predictable interpretation bother me |
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Post by simonb on Apr 1, 2017 13:11:15 GMT
Well, I wonder what formula people would prefer? Company A with an unimpressive portfolio and not a great deal of evidence of delivering successful developments or Company B with a good track record of completing worthwhile, well planned projects with engagement and involvement of all stakeholders? Sadly I would say that we have only experienced one half of that equation.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2017 10:30:45 GMT
 After Saturday's disappointing result, the unpleasant reading that a glance at the National League table gives us, and the shocking news that a BTPIR member has sadly had to report that he's been informed first hand by Chris Rich of some very disturbing behaviour - 'Threats to them and their families', gives a shameful indication of the depths some people are prepared to sink to in order to intimidate G.I employees. And it's probably in a desire to find an alternative to all that, that some have said what a pleasant contrast trying to spot FAKE NEWS is, rather than dwelling 24/7 on the even more depressing stuff. G.I attempting to stop ITV Westcountry from broadcasting a short report on the club, seems to have been nominated as the most obvious FAKE NEWS of the past week. Ideas for FAKE NEWS that might help discredit the Weekly Forums before they get started, is one I've yet to respond to, but overall things had been pretty quiet until last night, and even more so this morning, when I've been inundated with messages by people claiming they've read the most transparently FAKE NEWS story yet, on another site. My advice to everyone who has spotted this would be 'Don't rush to judgement'. And think how silly you'll feel if plenty of others come forward to corroborate what you're describing as an 'outlandish' claim ? For those so far unaware, the alleged FAKE NEWS is that Clarke Osborne & Chris Rich were observed laughing 'just after Chester scored'. While I understand the point being made that it's just too convenient that it should be a well known TUST militant who should just happen to have seen this, whereas, as far as we're presently aware, none of the other 1880 inside the ground have mentioned seeing such an outrage. But for the moment I won't heed the calls for the FAKE NEWS stamp to be applied to this. Let's give it a few more days, see if 'Laughtergate' has been able to garner any credibility for itself at all, and then, if not, applying the FAKE NEWS stamp, as well as classifying it as, and filing it in our already bulging 'Ministry Of TUST' propaganda file. * STOP PRESS * Information just coming in, indicating that Clarke Osborne might not even have been at the match yesterday, let alone laughing heartily in the immediate aftermath of Torquay falling a goal behind. It seems as if I may be able to confidently apply the ink to our stamps shortly.  ** Further Trivia ** When noting yesterday's attendance figure (in my case to calculate how many have so far NOT claimed to have witnessed 'Laughtergate') did anyone else's mind suddenly take them back to the 1970's and cause them to suddenly exclaim 'Bloody hell, Jimmy Connors' ?  |
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Post by Rob on Apr 2, 2017 12:38:06 GMT
If true, joking about someone having received a threat is fairly unpleasant, AJ. I can only assume you doubt the veracity of the claim as you are many things, but not this. Nobody would condone threats to or by GI people. Goes without saying.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2017 13:09:17 GMT
Having had the 'FAKE NEWS' stamp so firmly plonked on your forehead elsewhere today Rob, your immediate reaction to seek solace among your friends at TFF is totally understandable. Rest assured, I still fully value the postings of my favourite TUST militants, and would go as far as to say that without them, popular threads on subjects such as FAKE NEWS just wouldn't be possible . |
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Post by Rob on Apr 2, 2017 16:46:40 GMT
Merse and I have kissed and made up after our difference of interpretation which I couldn't help but think at the time will have been right up your street.
The Swindon fake news expose has been on here for all to make their own mind up for some time now in any event.
It still remains unpleasant to make humour out of threats, if they have indeed taken place, AJ.
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Post by petef on Apr 2, 2017 18:41:32 GMT
Merse and I have kissed and made up after our difference of interpretation which I couldn't help but think at the time will have been right up your street. The Swindon fake news expose has been on here for all to make their own mind up for some time now in any event. It still remains unpleasant to make humour out of threats, if they have indeed taken place, AJ. Christ fake fake news now - I really am getting confused! |
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. 'Greatest hour of need my arse !....how come the results have improved after this greatest need ? Show them the league table, we've moved out of the relegation places. If I hadn't saved the club Nico wouldn't have any players at all...let alone be able to whine about not getting any new ones' ..............and so it continued.