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Post by atheringtongull on Dec 16, 2016 18:08:39 GMT
I have been a supporter and follower of TUFC for many years, since 1947 in fact. In that time I have seen many ups and downs. The first "down" was when we changed the club colours from black and white to gold and blue. There have been promotions, relegations, cup finals and many disappointments along the way. There is no doubt that this is one of those periods when things area at an all time low.
However I, like Petef, am absolutely disgusted by the vitriol being thrown at the present board by so called supporters on all three forums. One of the worst on this forum is undoubtedly simonb. He has constantly belittled this board and some of his comments are virging on libellous.
Why he cannot see that without them this club would have folded when Thea left. If anyone is to blame it is the previous board who just let all those millions just drain away.
Have just had Twitter notification that sale has gone through to RSL. No doubt more vitriol will be poured onto the board for selling to GI. As they were probably the only bidders who can blame the board for getting out. I'm sure all the trolls will have much better solutions.
If the club goes down the pan the so called supporters are just as much to blame as anyone.
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Post by loyaltygull on Dec 16, 2016 18:25:28 GMT
Nice to see rose tinted glasses are still in fashion
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Post by petef on Dec 16, 2016 18:33:59 GMT
What the f+ did you expect? A so a called businees losing money hand over fist with little prospect of change. Sure Phillips and co wern't going to hang around any longer waiting for for salvation while they continued to wrack up even more club and personal debt. Not surprised in the least the demise of TUFC as we knew has been on the cards for years it has only been delayed. Gaming International were the only bidder willing to take it on in the end and held all of the cards. Whatever their motives, track record etc us lot will just have to get used to the idea or walk away but then taht would be prety easy for us supporters as we only have an emotional investmet. Simple.
As for wanting their money back, why wouldn't they? That's how business works; buying and selling. All those bemoaning the takeover by GI were nowhere to be seen when Thea left. I love they way they know all the answers, when it's someone else's money at stake.
We now have a new owner and the club survives to fight another day. How it will pan out we will have to wait and see but let's not shoot the horses before the race begins. Anyone not liking it is free to stop attending matches or supporting the club.
I'm going to keep an open mind and see what actually transpires. We're no worse off today than we were yesterday.Totally agree Florida. I see no reason to continue to lampoon and bemone the chiarman and board for being human they would more than likely openly admit they were are not up to the challenge. But then again who else put their hands up or their hands in their pockets? Ayone would have thought that they wanted this situation and from what I am reading on some boards, the insults and belittleing of Phillips and his board, those who made the comments deserved the club to go to the wall 18 months ago. Its gonna be fun to watch their little placard waving protests - all in vain of course. The keyboard warriors have proved to be empty vessels with no realistic alternative other than to slander the ones who did at least try. |
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Post by rjdgull on Dec 16, 2016 19:28:05 GMT
Not strictly true as the TUST have been constantly rebuffed. Very weak and inept leadership from the Board I am afraid.i... FFS. TUST was never at the races. Let it go.... The official line is that the Board did not want to grant exclusivity to TUST while others options were on the table. They were an option.... |
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Post by petef on Dec 16, 2016 19:48:49 GMT
An option rjd but obviously not a viable one or it would surely have had more consideration.
Must give them a chance to speak . we may not want to hear it but isnt it time we got to the crux of why it is and has been failing miserably as football club?
For sure this guy Clarke Osbourne has a business record and his investment will want to see a return.
Things had to change anyway it simply couldnt go on as it was and I'm quite willing to take that chance as it was just going nowhere or should I say continue downwards.
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Post by rjdgull on Dec 16, 2016 22:38:47 GMT
We have our own views - unfortunately this was never put to the test.
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Post by hector on Dec 17, 2016 0:21:59 GMT
What the f+ did you expect? A so a called businees losing money hand over fist with little prospect of change. Sure Phillips and co wern't going to hang around any longer waiting for for salvation while they continued to wrack up even more club and personal debt. Not surprised in the least the demise of TUFC as we knew has been on the cards for years it has only been delayed. Gaming International were the only bidder willing to take it on in the end and held all of the cards. Whatever their motives, track record etc us lot will just have to get used to the idea or walk away but then taht would be prety easy for us supporters as we only have an emotional investmet. Simple. GI weren't the only bidder though, were they? Phillips had the opportunity, as an alleged fan, to let the club's fans at least have a go at running the club but because he was in rapture of Masters/GI, he has done their dirty work for them, providing smokescreen after smokescreen to hide the dirty truth. People were speculating weeks ago that there were no other bidders and it was all a ploy to make it look like there was no other option. The fans of this club have been lied to and conned. Phillips has fed the club to the sharks and he doesn't deserve an ounce of sympathy. The club is better off dead and a Phoenix club taking on the lease of the ground as GI don't care about our history and heritage that is tied up in that ground. They care about it's marketable value and how they can profit from the carcass of this old football club. |
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Post by Rob on Dec 17, 2016 1:40:27 GMT
GI/RSL will probably chuck a few quid at this problem for now. There may be short term enjoyment from that, however badly many of us rightly feel today. We haven't had a great deal of enjoyment for a while.
Since 2008 I have read and heard a number of statements from Clarke Osbourne of Stadia UK concerning a club I spent much time at from my early youth until I last went in 2008, aged 38.
Their stadium was demolished. The sport did not return the following season. They no longer exist. It still hurts.
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Post by chelstongull on Dec 17, 2016 8:31:06 GMT
Can't wait for the Fans' Forum introducing these guys...
I don't think I could believe most/all of what they say. Anyone remember on Boxing day a few seasons ago just as Roberts was about to be strung up he uttered those words "I've got a Northern Ireland International signing for us on Wednesday". Suddenly the lynching stopped as folk were taken in...
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Post by simonb on Dec 17, 2016 9:11:07 GMT
TUFC - fecking mess!
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Post by hector on Dec 17, 2016 9:57:18 GMT
Phillips had the opportunity, as an alleged fan, to let the clubs fans at least have a go at running he club.... You can't believe that surely, Hector? Exactly how would the fans have been able to run the club? They didn't have the purchase price, nor the reserves to pay players and staff or pay the running costs of the real estate, and in addition to those requirements they most certainly would not have raised the money required to repay the GI loan in January. I can't believe that you are even touting that as an alternative. Or do you think that DP and co should have kept on subsidising everything, whilst the fans had a play at seeing if they really could run the club? This is real life, not some fantasy football game, where if you mess it up you restart with a fresh game. I actually think you're right about there being no other bidders aside from TUST and GI. However, as GI were the only ones capable of putting their money where their mouth is, that's the simple reason why they are the new owners. And that is at least 500 trillion times better than your suggestion that the club should have been allowed to die. Do you not have the faintest inkling of the administrative catastrophe that would follow, before or even if, a new club could be formed? You think the NL would just allow us to become 'TUFC2' and slot us back in mid-table with an encouraging pat on the back to continue? I dunno why I'm even bothering to comment on such a blindingly obvious stupid idea. This board have been in charge since around May 2015. Had they been open to fan ownership from the start, instead of doing what Peter Masters told them to; if the press had been onside - in that 18 months with everyone pulling in the right direction, then a purchase price ( what even is that, by the way?) could likely have been raised. The problem is, supporters were never given the opportunityand of course they weren't - that wouldn't have been on Peter Masters agenda. Talk something down enough and people won't believe it. Fans were never given the opportunity to prove themselves as there was never a serious opportunity for them to take the club on. It suited not the agenda of Masters/GI/Phillips. The club will go to the wall anyway. GI will run it into the ground so that they have a vacant plot of land to do with what they will. A Phoenix club playing at Plainmoor at least ensures there will be football and nobody is naive enough to assume it would start at the clubs current level. We have parasites running our club now - bleeding it dry for their own ends. We are snookered, check-mated, because David Phillips sold us down the river. |
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Post by Jon on Dec 17, 2016 10:00:19 GMT
The body language of the front table at the fans' forum was a little puzzling. They looked like cornered wounded animals, snappy and aggressively defensive. They looked like people who knew they had gambled the club's future and who knew that they may very well go down in history as the people who killed TUFC. People lie but body language rarely does. Watching Phillips' eyes as he tried to spin "GI is good for the club" on the local news yesterday did not inspire confidence. |
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Post by simonb on Dec 17, 2016 10:04:43 GMT
Always thought he was deluded, perhaps demented as well?
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Post by Jon on Dec 17, 2016 10:16:58 GMT
a purchase price ( what even is that, by the way?) The purchase price when Phillips and co acquired the club was £0 - or was it £1? They were given the club as custodians to keep it safe and ensure it did not fall into the hands of property developers. Despite telling TUST that they would inject £300k of share capital they injected £0. All they have done is lend the club money. The talk of a "purchase price" has always confused me. I tried to raise this at the fans' forum, but Phillips gave a reasonably convincing performance of failing to understand the question. I doubt if GI will pay anything for the shares in Plainmoor Ltd, but expect that they will effectively take on TUFC Ltd's liabilities - which will in theory include the loans from Phillips and co. That does not of course mean that they will be repaid - although I wouldn't be surprised if Phillips and co think that it does. |
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Post by petef on Dec 17, 2016 11:46:22 GMT
a purchase price ( what even is that, by the way?) The purchase price when Phillips and co acquired the club was £0 - or was it £1? They were given the club as custodians to keep it safe and ensure it did not fall into the hands of property developers. Despite telling TUST that they would inject £300k of share capital they injected £0. All they have done is lend the club money. The talk of a "purchase price" has always confused me. I tried to raise this at the fans' forum, but Phillips gave a reasonably convincing performance of failing to understand the question. I doubt if GI will pay anything for the shares in Plainmoor Ltd, but expect that they will effectively take on TUFC Ltd's liabilities - which will in theory include the loans from Phillips and co. That does not of course mean that they will be repaid - although I wouldn't be surprised if Phillips and co think that it does. Easy to be critical I dont remember anyone complaining at the time. Tell me Jon what would have happened if Phillips had not stepped in when he did and where would the club be right now. Just what were the other options back then I honestly cannot remember any other alternative bid or a favourable offer to save the club so why arwe we moaning about this now? Easy to be critical I dont remember anyone complaining at the time. Tell me Jon what would have happened if Phillips had not stepped in when he did and where would the club be right now. Just what were the other options back then I honestly cannot remember any other alternative bid or a favourable offer to save the club so why arwe we moaning about this now? |
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