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Post by rjdgull on Jun 27, 2016 6:12:10 GMT
Into the knock out stages against the lowest ranked team in the tournament where defeat is unthinkable. We will have to break them down and that will mean taking our chances!
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Post by rjdgull on Jun 27, 2016 20:52:55 GMT
Well, the unthinkable has just happened. Very poor abject performance with words failing me.
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Jun 27, 2016 21:09:43 GMT
Hahahahahahah....Absolutely feckin shocking........Couldn't even get the basics of passing right most of the time.....
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Post by stefano on Jun 28, 2016 7:52:23 GMT
Well what a shocker that was, but well done to Iceland. They played England perfectly. Stand in front of them when they are attacking as they seem to have little idea of how to get around anybody, attack with speed past our flat footed defenders, and it must be great knowing that if you get a shot on target it is highly likely to go in. I guess we are used to it now. 4 days after the people of England made their views known our football team complied with their wishes! Still, at least I have got Italy left. I started out with 3 teams to follow, England (of course), and with an affinity to two countries I have lived and worked in, Northern Ireland (1979/80) and Italy (2004-2008). Smart shirts for all 3 but now England has been consigned to the wardrobe hopefully for only 2 years, and I may never see my Northern Ireland shirt again (although they went out with a far gutsier performance than my home country serial under performers). I have 9 Italian football shirts so that is 3 per game for the quarter-final, semi-final, and final. Surely anybody who watched their clinincal demolition of Spain last night would not doubt they will have 3 more games. Germany & France will certainly not fancy facing gli azzurri, so it should be a classic final against the other stand out team for me in this tournament Belgium. Forza Italia!
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Post by stewart on Jun 29, 2016 15:31:20 GMT
Watching the match the other evening, I realised that absolutely nothing has changed in the past 20 years, in fact we have regressed abysmally, and I put this down to the appointment of two foreign managers who were obsessed with formations and systems. During the tenures of Terry Venables and Glenn Hoddle, there was no mention of diamonds, Christmas trees and all that kind of nonsense. They simply selected their strongest teams and put them out in a 4-4-2 formation, which by some margin suited the English style of game. What a shame it was that Venables became embroiled in all that legal distraction, without which we could have enjoyed years of success under his management. In my opinion, it cannot be denied that not one player in the 2016 squad would have been good enough for the 1996 team, which was, in case anyone has forgotten:
Seaman; Neville, Adams, Southgate, Pearce; Anderton, Ince or Platt, Gascoigne, McManaman; Shearer, Sheringham.
As for the next manager, some ridiculous names have been put forward. For me, the choice is obvious: Glenn Hoddle. It is clear from his co-commentator contributions that he knows the game inside-out, still has relative youth, energy and passion on his side, and should be forgiven for his naive comments about disabled people many years ago.
The performances of the Italian team at this tournament have been a breath of fresh air, and I really hope that they go on and win it. Yes, they do play to a pre-determined system and formation, but it comes naturally to them through their domestic game and temperament. The three at the back all play at the same club, know their roles to perfection and are brilliantly entertaining in the way they interact. The two forwards have great pace and understanding and are a joy to watch.
Their manager, however, is a nauseating presence as far as I am concerned. He spends the whole game right on the touchline, jumping up and down, screaming and pointing, attempting to get his players to move into positions dictated by him. His antics are a ridiculous distraction and are one reason why I believe that technical areas should be abolished. I hope that Premier League referees next season will have the guts to tell him to shut up and sit down in the dugout, or else be sent to the stand.
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Post by midlandstufc on Jun 29, 2016 16:40:33 GMT
I thought it was Venables who invented the 'Christmas Tree'?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 17:31:16 GMT
midlandstufc If you think it's always Londoners coming up with the innovative tactical thinking, then there are TUFC Forums to cater for that viewpoint . It's the case that when it comes to inventive and pioneering thinking in the world of football, Torquay United defenders have always been ahead of their time. Just take the incredible Nico at the moment and the multitude of fresh ideas he's brought to us. His pre-season plans will be on a different level to the outmoded routines of Knill and Cox. And so it was with the Christmas Tree !! Forget El Dagenham Tel, and credit a man who played 225 times in The Gulls defence. Nice work Bert. link: Bert's Christmas Gift To FootballAnd some really interesting points made by Stewart, even if I don't fully agree with absolutely all of them.
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Post by stewart on Jun 29, 2016 17:48:40 GMT
I thought it was Venables who invented the 'Christmas Tree'? He may have adopted that idea whilst at Barcelona, although to be fair he did have Lineker and Mark Hughes up front for one season. However, that most certainly was not the formation at Euro 96, as we had two strikers and two wingers playing wide. A study of the DVD of the Holland match will bear that out.
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Post by midlandstufc on Jun 30, 2016 17:19:23 GMT
Ahhh, the Holland match. Happy days. Temporarily.
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