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Post by hector on Jul 31, 2014 22:54:04 GMT
Downes divides opinion. There are those who adore him; there are those who consider him to be an unspeakably awful player. I'm not sure that Downes really divides opinion as greatly as you might think from reading a certain forum, much as I don't think Mansell does really. The vast "silent majority" of fans are perfectly capable of understanding players' strengths AND weaknesses. A certain type of internet user delights in taking a wide position and then using it as a high horse from which to deride imaginary hordes of ignorant people too stupid to understand the bleeding obvious. Some thrive on that pack instinct. You have to take a side and join the scrap. Is Downes / Mansell / whoever a double-fist-pumping superhero or someone to be abused and derided? For most people, the answer is neither of the above. I would agree with that. In the case of Mansell, whilst his last two years were not as productive as the first season under Ling, nothing he did or did not do warranted some of the abuse and bile he received and still receives from some when an opportunity to abuse presents itself. I thought it best he moved on, but I also recognised him for having been a decent enough player for us, for most of his time with us. Likewise with Nicholson. I hope he gets a deal at Kiddy.
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Post by lambethgull on Aug 1, 2014 7:16:58 GMT
Let's not forget the type of Internet user who is fortunate enough to straddle the even Higher Horse, from on which a "balanced" view can always be reached after carefully examining "both sides" of any argument.
These people are truly blessed and wonderful human beings.
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Post by stefano on Aug 1, 2014 11:45:23 GMT
Let's not forget the type of Internet user who is fortunate enough to straddle the even Higher Horse, from on which a "balanced" view can always be reached after carefully examining "both sides" of any argument. These people are truly blessed and wonderful human beings. I can see where you are coming from Mr Lambeth. You have certainly never evidenced that you have ever considered there may actually be an alternative point of view, so I can see how you would regard such people who are able to consider opposing viewpoints as weird!
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Post by petef on Aug 1, 2014 12:44:45 GMT
Ah the football season fast aproaches ! How refreshing some differing opinions at last...
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Post by lambethgull on Aug 1, 2014 14:32:23 GMT
You have certainly never evidenced that you have ever considered there may actually be an alternative point of view There are lots of views about everything. Who except someone claiming to speak for more than just themselves would claim otherwise? As you may kbow, I have strongly held views about lots of things which I will discuss with almost anyone. It would be a very short discussion if everyone agreed with everything I was to say (hasn't happened yet btw! )
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Post by stefano on Aug 1, 2014 15:29:06 GMT
You have certainly never evidenced that you have ever considered there may actually be an alternative point of view There are lots of views about everything. Who except someone claiming to speak for more than just themselves would claim otherwise? As you may know, I have strongly held views about lots of things which I will discuss with almost anyone. It would be a very short discussion if everyone agreed with everything I was to say (hasn't happened yet btw! ) Good point. I agree with you.
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Post by Jon on Aug 1, 2014 17:26:20 GMT
Let's not forget the type of Internet user who is fortunate enough to straddle the even Higher Horse, from on which a "balanced" view can always be reached after carefully examining "both sides" of any argument. These people are truly blessed and wonderful human beings. Having carefully examined your comments, I can certainly understand your point of view. People who enjoy a good old internet punchup must find it intensely irritating when people don't want to join in so I apologise profusely for any irritation unintentionally caused.
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Post by lambethgull on Aug 1, 2014 18:19:19 GMT
Having carefully examined your comments, I can certainly understand your point of view. People who enjoy a good old internet punchup must find it intensely irritating when people don't want to join in so I apologise profusely for any irritation unintentionally caused. No great irritation caused, Jon. I'm only an occasional visitor to TFF, but we're into August now and it's only a short while till the season kicks off. Tbh, it's hard to think of a greater waste of time than getting involved in a massive bunfight over the relative merits of a manger/player/board at a poorly resourced fourth or fifth tier football club. I enjoyed a few years of it, but life has a habit of intruding unexpectedly and priorities change. As a general rule, I believe that strong opinions and debate, whatever the subject, make for a more interesting browsing experience. Getting involved tests ones opinions and has always, for me anyway, been fun to participate in and read. For those who wish to discuss the number of Welsh football players with a mole on their right cheek and a surname beginning with D who've turned out for TUFC, the TFF is the place to visit. Other sites are available for those with wider interests
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 18:34:38 GMT
For those who wish to discuss the number of Welsh football players with a mole on their right cheek and a surname beginning with D who've turned out for TUFC, the TFF is the place to visit. Must be a fair chance that one of them is called Davies I would have thought.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 19:31:37 GMT
Having carefully examined your comments, I can certainly understand your point of view. People who enjoy a good old internet punchup must find it intensely irritating when people don't want to join in so I apologise profusely for any irritation unintentionally caused. No great irritation caused, Jon. I'm only an occasional visitor to TFF, but we're into August now and it's only a short while till the season kicks off. Tbh, it's hard to think of a greater waste of time than getting involved in a massive bunfight over the relative merits of a manger/player/board at a poorly resourced fourth or fifth tier football club. I enjoyed a few years of it, but life has a habit of intruding unexpectedly and priorities change. As a general rule, I believe that strong opinions and debate, whatever the subject, make for a more interesting browsing experience. Getting involved tests ones opinions and has always, for me anyway, been fun to participate in and read. For those who wish to discuss the number of Welsh football players with a mole on their right cheek and a surname beginning with D who've turned out for TUFC, the TFF is the place to visit. Other sites are available for those with wider interests Lambeth Gull. Where have you been, you little bastard? Get your arse onto taff.freeforums.net. I want some strong opinions and I want them now...
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Post by hector on Aug 1, 2014 21:01:02 GMT
Having carefully examined your comments, I can certainly understand your point of view. People who enjoy a good old internet punchup must find it intensely irritating when people don't want to join in so I apologise profusely for any irritation unintentionally caused. No great irritation caused, Jon. I'm only an occasional visitor to TFF, but we're into August now and it's only a short while till the season kicks off. Tbh, it's hard to think of a greater waste of time than getting involved in a massive bunfight over the relative merits of a manger/player/board at a poorly resourced fourth or fifth tier football club. I enjoyed a few years of it, but life has a habit of intruding unexpectedly and priorities change. As a general rule, I believe that strong opinions and debate, whatever the subject, make for a more interesting browsing experience. Getting involved tests ones opinions and has always, for me anyway, been fun to participate in and read. For those who wish to discuss the number of Welsh football players with a mole on their right cheek and a surname beginning with D who've turned out for TUFC, the TFF is the place to visit. Other sites are available for those with wider interests I suspect the comments here are somewhat tongue-in-cheek but I find it quite interesting to flit between the 3 sites (unless there are others I am unaware of...although saying that, I have heard rumours that Mervo is considering a relaunch!!!). I read the 'kiddies' site because it has more traffic and more people posting whilst I enjoy the range of topics that appear on TFF. The BPIR one, I feel is probably the site - out of all three - where there is a 'party line' and that if you veer from it, you'll soon find out. If you are not pro-Knill, pro-Hawley, anti-Mansell, anti-Hargreaves, anti-Thea, then you are probably not from London and are a thick Devonian instead, unaware of the ways of sophisticates of the metropolis. So be it!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 21:29:08 GMT
LambethGull. Where have you been, you little bastard? Get your arse onto taff.freeforums.net. I want some strong opinions and I want them now.. Yes, Felix, keep your comradely brood under control or else we'll strip you of that Best Poster of the Month crown you seem to have held on to for an eternity now. We don't want the little bleeder sprouting his anarcho-syndicalist horticultural foliage all over this site. Not unless, of course, he can name his all-time Revolutionary XI to take on the Counter-Revolutionaries. Can you for that matter? Or a team of players who played for Dinamo clubs? Ha! That's got you thinking.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 21:49:43 GMT
That's far too tough an assignment for me, Barton, but I am very happy to see that you are taking in so many matches before the season even begins now that you are back in Devon.
I would never have thought that you were the kind of man to be jealous of my "Poster of the Month" status!! I must admit I can't remember what I ever did to merit that accolade but I am sure it's no longer deserved, because the month in question must have been a very long time ago.
Enjoy the new season. It's good to see that the regulars are still posting in spite of relegation and still intending to turn up on the Popside and in the Bench. Yellow Army!
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Post by Rob on Aug 1, 2014 21:58:06 GMT
Am liking the debate. Mansell is the interesting one in this. It wasn't until Pompey away, when he wasn't selected, that I got sucked into this myself. I felt relieved. An odd feeling at a non-selection of a Torquay player, but something borne out of a much decreasing effectiveness of his play.
It was never much more than passion and hard work that made him popular, with one very good season, but the advancing years haven't been good. Certainly in the last two seasons. I'm sure his move to Bristol Rovers is good for player and TUFC alike. I don't begrudge him that as he has given us long service which I'll happily blindingly credit any TUFC player for.
I'll come clean. And Chris H will give me pelters for this. Years ago I exchanged emails Mike Bateson to say I would chip in to a signing on fee for Danny Hollands - whatever happened to him? ;-) - if we could get him. When he gave me the bad news, but told me 'Ian has got someone in who he thinks can do an even better job' I got fleeced after the event for a few bob, but I'd had a good year. I thought he was alright back then and pleased when he became skipper. Just goes to show how things can change. And his season with Eunan and Lathrope was a belter.
Anyway - all that said, I reserve the right to call him a Judas for going to Rovers. It's a simple pleasure, but one I may not be able to resist over the festive period. Perhaps with a smile and a thumbs up to the man.
I reckon Downes could have an alright season at this level, although I'd prefer to see Angus partner Pearce, rather than him being at right back. Like may, left back is what's worrying me most. Hargreaves, for me, was an appointment I wouldn't have minded to have happened after relegation rather than before.
My own pro-Lingism has been an overly long hang-up, but I have not seen any reason to dissuade me that Hargreaves can't get performances and his period in the youth department at Exeter and Bournemouth convinces me he must have something already about him when it comes to getting the best out of younger players. His inherited playing staff was shot to bits when he took over. I didn't understand why the two formations at Pompey and Wimbledon were never tried again, but I expect a new Manager such as him has learned much from his own mistakes and experience already. Benefit of the doubt for me.
I'll end on a balanced note, though. I like the sound of all the new signings. Hawley looked quite poor whenever I saw him and Benyon is plop.
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Post by rjdgull on Aug 1, 2014 22:08:49 GMT
That's far too tough an assignment for me, Barton, but I am very happy to see that you are taking in so many matches before the season even begins now that you are back in Devon.
I would never have thought that you were the kind of man to be jealous of my "Poster of the Month" status!! I must admit I can't remember what I ever did to merit that accolade but I am sure it's no longer deserved, because the month in question must have been a very long time ago.
Enjoy the new season. It's good to see that the regulars are still posting in spite of relegation and still intending to turn up on the Popside and in the Bench. Yellow Army!
It was a great post about how the board made the right decision in appointing Knill as opposed to keeping Ling... Well worth staying in yellow for a year!
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