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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Dec 1, 2013 14:00:30 GMT
Details were all that stopped Howe signing until Lingy left. And what about Saah. Please don't question my impartiality. I've been watching them for over 40 years now and I would take a borefest every week if it kept us in this league. You seem to know a lot about what is going on. Do you have an insider within the club? Yeah of course, "details" as in more pay. As for Saah, his family were still living in London were they not? I would question the impartiality of anyone that thought the performance against Plymouth wasnt an improvement over last seasons game. To then dismiss Plymouth as a "poor side" when their performances so far give the indicators that they're probably a mid-table side this season does our guys a disservice for the performance they put in to be honest. I wasnt aware that length of watching the boys has any bearing? If it does, rest assured I've been watching them since the early 70's so have seen all the ups and downs that following the Gulls can throw at a supporter. |
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Post by valgull on Dec 1, 2013 14:35:24 GMT
Lets all close our eyes and ignore what is going on. When we open them again our troubles will be over. Come on guys, Knill has to go if we are to survive. Just look at the faces on Knill and Brass, they haven't got a clue what's happening or how to change it. We keep bringing in strikers on loan but it's the defence that's leaking goals for fun and a midfield that can't compete. Can the board scrape enough to pay off the rolling contracts of management team? who knows! I for one am going to send a message in my own small way by not attending anymore until a change is made. If everyone did the same or at least voiced their opinions to the board then perhaps they would listen. Either way if there is no change then we are doomed I think. Never to grace the Football League again. The board are to weak and stubborn to sack him as it would be an admission that they appointed the wrong guy. I mean come on his record since he came is appalling. So twoleftfeet is not going to attend any more until a change is made and is exhorting others to do the same. In what way does this benefit our club? Reduced income? Loss of atmosphere? Encouragement to the board to withdraw their support too? The situation is not good at the moment but surely true supporters do just that through thick and thin. I shall be at every game possible for the rest of the season and beyond and will continue to support and sponsor the club ( and yes, I would exhort all true supporters to do so too). |
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Post by petef on Dec 1, 2013 16:18:52 GMT
If you genuinely have the clubs best interests at heart then you have a duty to support the people that spend their money with little prospect of a return and is in danger of becoming a lost cause.
Thea and the board deserve as much because there wouldn't be a club now without them.
Despite what some of the morons on other fans forums post you can be sure that Alan Knill is doing all he can to get it right though I personally believe he has got his tactics and priorities all wrong but its just an opinion and not a personal attack.
For goodness sake he wants success as we all do.
Just as I did before I will be turning up at Plainmoor when we are again in the Conference, having a moan and a groan no doubt but I do have a choice. I can stay at home and watch the vastly and obscenely overpaid Premiership brigade - but It's not the same is it?
Yes any one of us can walk away and there will be those that do and I may choose to pick my matches but I will always support the good people who run the club and invest their money to keep it going. Yes we all get angry and frustrated and see things that are not right but at times like these its vital supporters back the board and all the clubs funders in whatever decision they make because they want just the same things that we all want, stability, longevity and a modicum of success on the pitch.
And just imagine when this run ends as it eventually will one way or another just think how sweet it will feel when you realise that you stuck with it!
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Post by twoleftfeet on Dec 1, 2013 20:51:55 GMT
I think you are wrong and the real reason he left was that Lingy was disposed of and both of them, as I said before, had a taste of what was to come in terms of what Knill's ideas were and didn't want to be a part of it.
Now you are talking about one game. We have played appallingly week after week this season or do you deny that? As for how we played under Ling, you may feel it was just as bad but we were picking up points were we not? And if you think Plymouth are a decent side then I suggest that you stop wasting your money watching Torquay because you haven't got a clue about football. Regardless of how long you've been watching The Gulls.
It doesn't benefit the club and I never suggested it did.
Yes it will reduce income. I would have thought that by now with the low attendances and with 3 away fixtures in January the board will have to subsidise the wages.
The atmosphere is already gone.
They never have or should not have expected a return on their investment. Not at this level.
I realise that they want the best for the club but they have made some poor decisions. Don't you agree?
Finally, hehe I have got some of you stirred up haven't I but it is just my personal opinion just as all of you have expressed your opinions. I would love things to change but I as have said previously, I don't Knill is the man to do it.
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Dec 2, 2013 10:20:37 GMT
I think you are wrong and the real reason he left was that Lingy was disposed of and both of them, as I said before, had a taste of what was to come in terms of what Knill's ideas were and didn't want to be a part of it. Now you are talking about one game. We have played appallingly week after week this season or do you deny that? As for how we played under Ling, you may feel it was just as bad but we were picking up points were we not? And if you think Plymouth are a decent side then I suggest that you stop wasting your money watching Torquay because you haven't got a clue about football. Regardless of how long you've been watching The Gulls. Really? Howe was in discussions with other clubs before Ling was sacked and Knill appointed. Ive no idea why Saah left other than the quoted reason. Now, that may or may not be true, I dont know but to turn down a contract (without sorting out a prospective move like Howe) just because you're not convinced by a new manager is pretty dumb (given its how you earn your living) and Saah didnt strike me as the dumb type. The reason for picking the Plymouth match was (apart from not having a clue about football obviously) a, Its one that most people can relate to as more likely to be attended being a derby & b, it had the same result (a draw) in both seasons yet was a more enjoyable experience this season. I could have used another match like AFCW/Cheltenham/Portsmouth but that wasnt a "like for like" result or not played last season. Just where did I say Plymouth were "a decent side"? If you have a problem with retaining information here it is again Much as I hate to say it, they have what looks like the best keeper in the division, a very strong defence (the best outside the top three) and a pretty useful midfield. What holds them back is a lack of creative play on the attacking side hence the "they're probably a mid-table side". Probably why it took a penatly to get a point off us. If they get the attacking side of things sorted in January, they will be chasing down a play off spot, if not an automatic one. But then of course "if you think Plymouth are a decent side then I suggest that you stop wasting your money watching Torquay because you haven't got a clue about football" If you want to swap insults, at least try and be accurate in your summations |
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Post by forestgull on Dec 2, 2013 15:42:04 GMT
I WAS AT THE SCUNTHORPE GAME ON SATURDAY.I HADEN'T SEEN THE TEAM PLAY SINCE THE BRIZZLE ROVERS DRAW AT THE END OF LAST SEASON.
THE DIFFERENCE IN THE PERFORMANCE OF THAT TEAM AND THE TEAM AT SCUNTHORPE WAS SHOCKING!
I READ THE REPORT ON THE GAME ON THE CLUB WEBSITE, UNLUCKY YELLOWS! HE MUST HAVE WATCHED A DIFFERENT GAME TO ME!!!
AT NO STAGE DID WE LOOK LIKE GETTING ANYTHING FROM THE GAME.
THE TEAM LOOKED SCARED TO TAKE THE BALL FORWARD AND THE PASSING TO FRONT PLAYERS WAS DIRE.
BOTH SCUNTHORPE WIDE MIDFIELDERS GOT TO THE BYLINE VERY EASY CAUSING PANIC WITH CROSSES.
WE WEREN'T STRONG TO TACKLE OR KEEP ANY SHAPE TO STEM THE IRON ATTACK.
IT WAS A WEAK PERFORMANCE AND I FELT WE WENT DOWN WITHOUT A FIGHT.
I HAVE WATCHED THE TEAM MOSTLY IN AWAY GAMES OVER THE YEARS AND HAVE WITNESSED SOME DIRE STUFF BUT SCUNTHORPE ON SATURDAY WAS ONE OF THE WORST EVER!
THIS TEAM WILL NOT STAY IN LEAGUE 2.
BOTH FULL BACKS NEED TO BE REPLACED, MIDFIELDERS WHO CAN TACKLE NEED TO BE INTRODUCED.
ABOVE ALL PLAYERS WHO CAN FIGHT AND SCRAP FOR THE BALL ARE NEEDED NOW.
DOES THE SQUAD HAVE THIS NOW?
I DON'T KNOW, BUT MOST OF THE 11 AT SCUNTHORPE NEED TO LOOK AT THEIR PERFORMANCES.
CAN THEY DO BETTER?
I DON'T KNOW, OTHERS WHO HAVE SEEN MORE GAMES MAY BE ABLE TO COMMENT.
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Dec 2, 2013 17:06:19 GMT
Fair comment Forest but you really dont need to shout  |
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Post by gullone on Dec 2, 2013 17:39:32 GMT
I for one am going to send a message in my own small way by not attending anymore until a change is made. If everyone did the same or at least voiced their opinions to the board then perhaps they would listen. You are obviously angry and pissed off like a lot of us. I think the best way of sending a message to the board is to show your dissatisfaction at the games. Unless there is change in results i think the booing will become far more audible which the board and the media will find it hard to ignore. Obviously im sure the board would prefer us all to happy clap our way through the carnage but it will be very interesting to see just how the atmosphere unfolds at the Southend game. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2013 19:22:49 GMT
I WAS AT THE SCUNTHORPE GAME ON SATURDAY.I HADEN'T SEEN THE TEAM PLAY SINCE THE BRIZZLE ROVERS DRAW AT THE END OF LAST SEASON. THE DIFFERENCE IN THE PERFORMANCE OF THAT TEAM AND THE TEAM AT SCUNTHORPE WAS SHOCKING! I READ THE REPORT ON THE GAME ON THE CLUB WEBSITE, UNLUCKY YELLOWS! HE MUST HAVE WATCHED A DIFFERENT GAME TO ME!!! AT NO STAGE DID WE LOOK LIKE GETTING ANYTHING FROM THE GAME. THE TEAM LOOKED SCARED TO TAKE THE BALL FORWARD AND THE PASSING TO FRONT PLAYERS WAS DIRE. BOTH SCUNTHORPE WIDE MIDFIELDERS GOT TO THE BYLINE VERY EASY CAUSING PANIC WITH CROSSES. WE WEREN'T STRONG TO TACKLE OR KEEP ANY SHAPE TO STEM THE IRON ATTACK. IT WAS A WEAK PERFORMANCE AND I FELT WE WENT DOWN WITHOUT A FIGHT. I HAVE WATCHED THE TEAM MOSTLY IN AWAY GAMES OVER THE YEARS AND HAVE WITNESSED SOME DIRE STUFF BUT SCUNTHORPE ON SATURDAY WAS ONE OF THE WORST EVER! THIS TEAM WILL NOT STAY IN LEAGUE 2. BOTH FULL BACKS NEED TO BE REPLACED, MIDFIELDERS WHO CAN TACKLE NEED TO BE INTRODUCED. ABOVE ALL PLAYERS WHO CAN FIGHT AND SCRAP FOR THE BALL ARE NEEDED NOW. DOES THE SQUAD HAVE THIS NOW? I DON'T KNOW, BUT MOST OF THE 11 AT SCUNTHORPE NEED TO LOOK AT THEIR PERFORMANCES. CAN THEY DO BETTER? I DON'T KNOW, OTHERS WHO HAVE SEEN MORE GAMES MAY BE ABLE TO COMMENT. From where I was sitting, Forest, it's not that we need fighters and scrappers. We've got enough of those. What we need is someone who can pass straight and/or control the ball plus a goalkeeper who comes out for crosses and doesn't cause nervous breakdowns among his fellow defenders. And fellow fans, come off it now. It's no good going on about other people's failings if your own performance is so poor. The job of a fan is to turn up to matches, buy a programme and some chips and support the team; not to annoy everyone by chanting insults or to announce that you're not going any more. "What did you do when Torquay were bottom of the League in December 2013, dad?"
"I moaned a lot and then packed in going, son!" Surely not. |
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Post by JamesB on Dec 2, 2013 21:10:36 GMT
Regardless of whether or not it is morally right, surely boycotting is the most effective way of forcing a club to act - if the board knew their revenues were going to continue to drop with Knill still in charge to a point where it would be less financially crippling to sack him than leave him stay, they would get rid of him
I don't understand why anyone would be desperate enough to go through with this and would never do this myself (barring some absurd rebranding decision - yes, Felix, I've voted in your poll), but it does make sense, because the only way this board is thinking right now is via the balance sheet - if money is indeed what they mostly care about, the best way to force them to make a change is to hit them where it hurts
If you strongly disagreed with what a club was doing (in more general terms), you'd be stupid to continue to contribute to it. This is why I've sided with those Cardiff (and, by extension, Hull) fans who are boycotting in the wake of the rebranding - you're not going to get anywhere by carrying on handing Vincent Tan money, because as long as you're doing that, he won't give a toss; all he wants is the money, so the only way to win is to not give him your money
Similarly, if you were to take the approach that the current Torquay board were killing the club with their decisions, you could justify a boycott - I don't believe decisions are being made with malicious intent so I'm happy to keep going, but I can understand why people might feel the need to act, because this club is dying a slow death right now and I'm not sure the board are doing enough to prevent it
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Post by loyalgull on Dec 2, 2013 21:27:06 GMT
knill calls us luckless yellows,3 wins in 22 games makes me think of calling it something else,the board either get rid or face the obvious consequences
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Post by twoleftfeet on Dec 2, 2013 22:08:31 GMT
Regardless of whether or not it is morally right, surely boycotting is the most effective way of forcing a club to act - if the board knew their revenues were going to continue to drop with Knill still in charge to a point where it would be less financially crippling to sack him than leave him stay, they would get rid of him I don't understand why anyone would be desperate enough to go through with this and would never do this myself (barring some absurd rebranding decision - yes, Felix, I've voted in your poll), but it does make sense, because the only way this board is thinking right now is via the balance sheet - if money is indeed what they mostly care about, the best way to force them to make a change is to hit them where it hurts If you strongly disagreed with what a club was doing (in more general terms), you'd be stupid to continue to contribute to it. This is why I've sided with those Cardiff (and, by extension, Hull) fans who are boycotting in the wake of the rebranding - you're not going to get anywhere by carrying on handing Vincent Tan money, because as long as you're doing that, he won't give a toss; all he wants is the money, so the only way to win is to not give him your money Similarly, if you were to take the approach that the current Torquay board were killing the club with their decisions, you could justify a boycott - I don't believe decisions are being made with malicious intent so I'm happy to keep going, but I can understand why people might feel the need to act, because this club is dying a slow death right now and I'm not sure the board are doing enough to prevent it Here here. At last someone who speaks my language. I have just started a new thread. Should he stay or should he go ? I'm sure not everyone will agree with it but they are my sentiments on the current situation as I can't see a way forward with things as they are now. |
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Post by twoleftfeet on Dec 2, 2013 22:10:15 GMT
I for one am going to send a message in my own small way by not attending anymore until a change is made. If everyone did the same or at least voiced their opinions to the board then perhaps they would listen. You are obviously angry and pissed off like a lot of us. I think the best way of sending a message to the board is to show your dissatisfaction at the games. Unless there is change in results i think the booing will become far more audible which the board and the media will find it hard to ignore. Obviously im sure the board would prefer us all to happy clap our way through the carnage but it will be very interesting to see just how the atmosphere unfolds at the Southend game. Point taken and will seriously condider this. |
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Post by twoleftfeet on Dec 2, 2013 22:23:21 GMT
That comment proves my point. Plymouth on the day were poor. I'm sure they have had better performances and I do not thinkmit doers our team a disservice. We are a poor side at the moment. Saah didn't find a club until the very last. He had nothing sorted when he left Torquay.  |
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Post by Jon on Dec 2, 2013 22:29:36 GMT
this board is thinking right now is via the balance sheet - if money is indeed what they mostly care about, the best way to force them to make a change is to hit them where it hurts If money was what they cared most about, they wouldn't have chucked millions at a football club for no return, would they? The change they might make if backed into a corner is to stop throwing more money at it. I expect that the depth of real support from our loyal fan base is what would make them loathe to do that. I doubt if any of them are thinking about the "balance sheet". It's a lack of cash that kills a business, not a balance of assets and liabilities. If there is not enough to pay the wages, it is put up or shut down time. This is the real world with real money - not some kind of clever numbers game. You can't talk about forcing charity donors to donate in the same way as forcing capitalist profit-takers to reduce their profit margins. |
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