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Post by twoleftfeet on Nov 30, 2013 18:34:52 GMT
Lets all close our eyes and ignore what is going on. When we open them again our troubles will be over. Come on guys, Knill has to go if we are to survive. Just look at the faces on Knill and Brass, they haven't got a clue what's happening or how to change it.
We keep bringing in strikers on loan but it's the defence that's leaking goals for fun and a midfield that can't compete. Can the board scrape enough to pay off the rolling contracts of management team? who knows! I for one am going to send a message in my own small way by not attending anymore until a change is made. If everyone did the same or at least voiced their opinions to the board then perhaps they would listen. Either way if there is no change then we are doomed I think. Never to grace the Football League again.
The board are to weak and stubborn to sack him as it would be an admission that they appointed the wrong guy. I mean come on his record since he came is appalling.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 22:16:44 GMT
Interesting. Everyone has lots to say till someone who actually went to the match talks about it and then all goes quiet.
I pity the poor souls who watch every game at Plainmoor because the only one I've seen this season was the win against Cheltenham, which was really enjoyable! Obviously the rest have been terrible, but re the away games unless you are there you can't really comment with any knowledge. It wasn't Alan Knill who was responsible for the corner which led to the second goal and whose incompetence gave away the third but Aaron Downes, my favourite player! It wasn't Knill who scored the own goal but Anthony O'Connor, our most reliable defender! It wasn't the management who lumbered around like a carthorse in midfield but Damien Mozika, who played well last week! On the other hand, John Marquis, who none of us had heard of this time last week, scored a fine goal and it was Alan Knill who signed him just as it was Knill who brought in Paul McCallum whose goals beat Bury.
Calling for a manager to be sacked is automatic when a team is doing as badly as we are, and in all honesty I think Torquay supporters are, compared with fans in South Yorkshire and North Derbyshire, remarkably patient, but I really cannot see how the current mess is Alan Knill's fault. He has had precisely £0 to spend on new players while at the same time Rene Howe and Brian Saah, arguably our most valuable players last season, insisted on leaving for nothing. If we really must blame someone how about the players he inherited who can't pass the ball for toffee?
There's nothing wrong with the spirit or morale of the side as far as I can see; it's just that they are a mixture of raw youngsters and old stalwarts well past their best. Unless Mrs Bristow is going to find some cash for some decent experienced players Knilly is managing with his hands tied behind his back, and I can't see a queue forming to take his place. Can you?
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Post by bristolgull on Dec 1, 2013 0:10:16 GMT
Interesting. Everyone has lots to say till someone who actually went to the match talks about it and then all goes quiet. I pity the poor souls who watch every game at Plainmoor because the only one I've seen this season was the win against Cheltenham, which was really enjoyable! Obviously the rest have been terrible, but re the away games unless you are there you can't really comment with any knowledge. It wasn't Alan Knill who was responsible for the corner which led to the second goal and whose incompetence gave away the third but Aaron Downes, my favourite player! It wasn't Knill who scored the own goal but Anthony O'Connor, our most reliable defender! It wasn't the management who lumbered around like a carthorse in midfield but Damien Mozika, who played well last week! On the other hand, John Marquis, who none of us had heard of this time last week, scored a fine goal and it was Alan Knill who signed him just as it was Knill who brought in Paul McCallum whose goals beat Bury. Calling for a manager to be sacked is automatic when a team is doing as badly as we are, and in all honesty I think Torquay supporters are, compared with fans in South Yorkshire and North Derbyshire, remarkably patient, but I really cannot see how the current mess is Alan Knill's fault. He has had precisely £0 to spend on new players while at the same time Rene Howe and Brian Saah, arguably our most valuable players last season, insisted on leaving for nothing. If we really must blame someone how about the players he inherited who can't pass the ball for toffee? There's nothing wrong with the spirit or morale of the side as far as I can see; it's just that they are a mixture of raw youngsters and old stalwarts well past their best. Unless Mrs Bristow is going to find some cash for some decent experienced players Knilly is managing with his hands tied behind his back, and I can't see a queue forming to take his place. Can you? You make some fair points Felix, but ultimately it's the manager who is responsible for installing the confidence, belief and tactics in his players to make a decent side. For whatever reason it just not working with Knill at the moment...he can obviously only work with the players he has or can get in but I suspect many of us think we have a squad that should be, to use a cliche, on paper good enough to survive in league two - maybe not set the league alight but at least survive. However at the moment this is just not happening and football being what it is the buck stops with the manager. Whether a new boss would fair any better with the current squad is anybody's guess. It just seems currently we are in a downward spiral which seems to get worse with each passing week. I would love Knill to turn this round but it's going to take a monumental effort for him to do so. I actually feel sorry for the guy, he must really be feeling the pressure. He obviously didn't come here to fail and read 'knill out' threads on fans forums...but that is the reality at the moment. He must be doing his best but my guess is he may be having a few sleepless nights right now with his job on the line. Not a good position for him or our club. |
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Post by twoleftfeet on Dec 1, 2013 0:20:44 GMT
I understand what you are saying Felix but who picks the team? Who coaches them during the week? Who decides which players to bring in and which ones to release? Non other than yours truly the manager. Another question(I have lots of questions  ) why did Saah and how Howe leave? As for the players he inherited, most of them are gone and we are left with, mostly, with his choice of players "who can't pass the ball for toffee". Knill didn't inherit a mess, just a team that needed tweeking and some guidance, something that he doesn't seem to able to do. Lingy didn't have any money to spend either and we didn't plummit until he went sick. With regard to managers, I believe there was a long list of managers that applied for the job last time around and I am sure there would be again. |
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Post by twoleftfeet on Dec 1, 2013 0:25:19 GMT
My sentiments exactly bristolgull.
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Post by hullgull on Dec 1, 2013 8:38:22 GMT
Morning all,just read all your posts,and obviously calling for knillys head to roll......unfortunately the table doesn't lie,agree with some points bout manager picks team etc.......but on field errors by experienced players during game time,that has nothing to do with the gaffer that can happen to any team.....yeah course it's frustrating to everybody,.....but to take the easy option of getting rid of the manager will get us no where......backs against the wall yeah.....but instead of feeling sorry for ourselves,come back fighting......we will get out of this......si
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Dec 1, 2013 10:03:25 GMT
I understand what you are saying Felix but who picks the team? Who coaches them during the week? Who decides which players to bring in and which ones to release? Non other than yours truly the manager. Do you think the team spent lots of time training on how to score an own goals and the like? The two central defenders sounded like they had an off day between them. It happens. Another question, why did Saah and how Howe leave? Why does any footballer move clubs? In Howes case, for the money. Saah maybe the same, or it meant he got to spend more time with his family who stayed up there whilst he was down here? As for the players he inherited, most of them are gone and we are left with, mostly, with his choice of players "who can't pass the ball for toffee". I shall not comment on yesterdays match as I wasnt there. However, there was nothing wrong with our passing on Tuesday which was a (IMO) good performance and better than those 12 months previously Knill didn't inherit a mess, just a team that needed tweeking and some guidance, something that he doesn't seem to able to do. Lingy didn't have any money to spend either and we didn't plummit until he went sick. With regard to managers, I believe there was a long list of managers that applied for the job last time around and I am sure there would be again. I would suggest that an average of less than a point a game for the 20 games prior to Knill being brought in can be classed as a mess. Clearly we have a bit of a mess now as well, however, when do you say its time for change? Im sure the Accy fans were saying the same about Beattie recently when it took till towards the end of October to register their first win in the league. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2013 10:25:19 GMT
Morning all,just read all your posts,and obviously calling for knillys head to roll......unfortunately the table doesn't lie,agree with some points bout manager picks team etc.......but on field errors by experienced players during game time,that has nothing to do with the gaffer that can happen to any team.....yeah course it's frustrating to everybody,.....but to take the easy option of getting rid of the manager will get us no where......backs against the wall yeah.....but instead of feeling sorry for ourselves,come back fighting......we will get out of this......si I do admire your optimism Simon! What the hell is the way out of this situation? Do we get a new manager or not? If no then I think we can safely say that we will bumble on just as we are and pick up the odd points here and there and the inevitable will happen. With a new manager (this guy would certainly need something about him) it normally happens that teams do have a purple patch for a while...enough to get us out of the shite...who knows! |
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Post by twoleftfeet on Dec 1, 2013 12:01:14 GMT
I'm talking about the defence a a whole. His job is to coach them and if there is an issue with the defence, and there is, then he needs address that. Bearing in mind he was a centre half himself.
I'm suggesting that the reason they moved is because Lingy left and they had seen enough of Knill at the end of last season to not want to play for him.
Against another poor side. No real penetration and in my opninion certainly not better than twelve months ago before Lingy left. What planet are you on?
Under Taylor not Ling. Knills record since is as bad if not worse. So if you are going to sack a manager for footballing reasons he should be gone by now. Accy were playing a better brand of football than the shite we are being served up week after week.
I understand that we all want our team to do well but one thing is for sure, unless we have some dramatically improved performances soon with points attached to that it will be too late to do anything.
Stick or twist ? I know which I would prefer.
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Post by hullgull on Dec 1, 2013 12:30:53 GMT
Morning all,just read all your posts,and obviously calling for knillys head to roll......unfortunately the table doesn't lie,agree with some points bout manager picks team etc.......but on field errors by experienced players during game time,that has nothing to do with the gaffer that can happen to any team.....yeah course it's frustrating to everybody,.....but to take the easy option of getting rid of the manager will get us no where......backs against the wall yeah.....but instead of feeling sorry for ourselves,come back fighting......we will get out of this......si I do admire your optimism Simon! What the hell is the way out of this situation? Do we get a new manager or not? If no then I think we can safely say that we will bumble on just as we are and pick up the odd points here and there and the inevitable will happen. With a new manager (this guy would certainly need something about him) it normally happens that teams do have a purple patch for a while...enough to get us out of the shite...who knows! Hi del,the way out is .....grit .....determination......and be proud to wear that shirt......am not even going there that we are going to be relegated.......we not even halfway in the season yet,and the panic buttons are already being activated.....don't get me wrong del am not that naive that there is a lot of issues on and off the field.....but can you honestly say a new gaffer is the answer,I am not so sure.......we have the talent and the ability within the club......so more hard work by everyone in the club and we will be out of this predicament......si |
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Dec 1, 2013 12:40:10 GMT
Let me guess. Supergulls back under a different name by any chance?
The last 20 games prior to Knill taking over were not just Taylor though, were they.
As far as Howe goes, he had a contract extension on the table from before Ling went off sick. He didnt sign it then so thats hardly down to Knill is it. Looking for more pay, Burton were happy to pay him which I'm sure they consider money well spent.
If you dont think Tuesdays match against Plymouth was better and more entertaining that last seasons borefest in September, I would question your impartiality.
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Post by twoleftfeet on Dec 1, 2013 12:48:35 GMT
No not Supergulls mate.
Details were all that stopped Howe signing until Lingy left. And what about Saah.
Please don't question my impartiality. I've been watching them for over 40 years now and I would take a borefest every week if it kept us in this league. You seem to know a lot about what is going on. Do you have an insider within the club?
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Post by twoleftfeet on Dec 1, 2013 13:03:17 GMT
hullgull, according to the club website Knill is working extremely hard but it's not happening is it ? Something more perhaps different is needed.
I think Knill is a decent person but when he goes and eventually gets another job we will be left supporting a non league team. I would like to think he could turn it around but I just can't see it.
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Post by hullgull on Dec 1, 2013 13:19:50 GMT
hullgull, according to the club website Knill is working extremely hard but it's not happening is it ? Something more perhaps different is needed. I think Knill is a decent person but when he goes and eventually gets another job we will be left supporting a non league team. I would like to think he could turn it around but I just can't see it. Twoleftfeet.....nobody disputing bout knilly being a decent guy.....you may or may not know the insiders dealings within the club.....our fortunes will take an upward curve before long......and like said in previous post we are not halfway into season yet......like anything in sport we have ups and downs.....it's just at mo we in the latter for now...and sheer hard work and perseverance will get us out of this....as my school report said must try harder lol....si |
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) why did Saah and how Howe leave? As for the players he inherited, most of them are gone and we are left with, mostly, with his choice of players "who can't pass the ball for toffee". Knill didn't inherit a mess, just a team that needed tweeking and some guidance, something that he doesn't seem to able to do. Lingy didn't have any money to spend either and we didn't plummit until he went sick.