Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2013 6:44:00 GMT
4 wins in all the time knill has been here, lingy got sacked for "footballing reasons" well for footballing reasons alone knills recored is worse than Lings and he has gone out of two cup competitions in the first round to rub more salt into the wounds. Did I miss us winning a match in the League cup or JPT last season. Or the season before for that matter? Or did we get knocked out in the first matches we played in each of those competitions? Perhaps we should see if we get knocked out of the FA cup at home by a team from 2 divisions below again, before using cup performance as a yardstick? I think you'll find we only managed 2 wins by the start of October last season so that's hardly worse so far. we went out of all cup competitions at the first hurdle at home to Yeovil after loosing on pens to Yeovil in the JPT, at home to Leicester in the capital cup getting whacked 4-0 and to Harrogate in the fa cup. we are only 2 weeks away from the beginning of October so we will see if knill can get more than 2 wins by then, im not holding my breath. the sacking of Ling was allegedly was because of footballing reasons and failure to progress in any of the cup competitions and the ability for the club to gain extra revenue. well looking at the results so far its a mirror image of last year. although under ling yes we had only won two games by this time last year but we had drawn a lot more and was in a better league position than we find ourselves in now.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2013 7:46:16 GMT
I honestly believe that Torquay United over-achieved under Buckle and Ling in the years 2010/12 and some fans became spoilt. I appreciate you're coming at this from a different perspective, but I think what you're saying is easier to say when you don't have as much of an emotional attachment to the club - it makes it easier to say "oh well, we lost, never mind". I've seen it a bit with fans who "give up" on their Premier League/"big" club and switch to supporting a lower league or non-league club - it's easy for them to just accept a loss for what it is without getting into the detail because it's a different relationship. Similarly, I would never dictate to long-term Green Bay Packers fans what they should and shouldn't be complaining about because I've only been a Packers fan for a few months Hey, steady on there, James! Last Spring when I thought Torquay were going out of the league I became pretty emotional, I promise! Perspective comes with getting older, that's all. Going to a match is a good day out these days regardless of the result but it's much more enjoyable when we play well and win. During those 90 minutes I'm as foul mouthed and critical as anyone. To a supporter it is (or should be) just a game. It's not a matter fo life or death, but to the players and management it's their livelihood and sometimes I think we need to be careful about calling for them to be dropped/sold/sacked for that reason if no other.
|
|
|
Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Sept 16, 2013 8:18:18 GMT
the sacking of Ling was allegedly was because of footballing reasons and failure to progress in any of the cup competitions and the ability for the club to gain extra revenue Theres no "allegedly" about it. The board viewed the deteriorating performances (and slide down the table to 16th from a play off spot) as concerning, particularly with the defeat by a BSS side when we should really have progressed, and hadnt really expected to progress against Leicester or Yeovil.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2013 9:34:07 GMT
the sacking of Ling was allegedly was because of footballing reasons and failure to progress in any of the cup competitions and the ability for the club to gain extra revenue Theres no "allegedly" about it. The board viewed the deteriorating performances (and slide down the table to 16th from a play off spot) as concerning, particularly with the defeat by a BSS side when we should really have progressed, and hadnt really expected to progress against Leicester or Yeovil. so at the present time we are sitting 19th we are out of two cup competitions, is knills current situation better than what martin ling got sacked for I don't think it is.
|
|
|
Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Sept 16, 2013 13:23:51 GMT
I wouldnt say it was any worse either. The previous management team had thirty odd league games before it was decided to make changes. You seem happy to castigate this one after a whole 7 league games?
By coincidence, 19th is where we were when Knill came into the picture last season.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2013 15:13:47 GMT
I wouldnt say it was any worse either. The previous management team had thirty odd league games before it was decided to make changes. You seem happy to castigate this one after a whole 7 league games? By coincidence, 19th is where we were when Knill came into the picture last season. I'm not trying to castigate knill after 7 league games at all I'm looking at his record overall since he has been here, which is hardly impressive played 17 won 4 drawn 6 lost 7 and another 2 defeats in the cup. 4 league wins since last February isn't great whatever way you look at it. I hope and pray he can turn it around and I would want nothing more for us to start climbing the league, but based on all the games I have seen so far and I have only missed two including pre season we are looking pretty poor.
|
|
petef
Match Room Manager
Posts: 4,626
|
Post by petef on Sept 16, 2013 19:25:45 GMT
Not a great record by any stretch of the imagination super and only serves to emphasis how difficult a job it is for a club to recover from poor form, management and selling on our best players. Witnessed it in the late sixties and early seventies and never really forgave the club for selling all of my heroes to Bournmouth. These days I'm much more of a realist and totally aware of the reasons why this has to happen at a club like ours, its a continuing cycle that I have seen so many times over the years. When we were all experiencing the good times as we were a season or two ago I can remember telling my self as I stood watching us beat Argyle I think that we should all be making the most of this as it never ever lasts and we would soon once again be struggling at the other end. Knill for sure has a difficult task and on paper it looked to the vast majority of supporters that they were good quality signings and would improve the quality in the squad. I'm sure he is as surprised and as disappointed as all of us that we have looked so poor in so many areas. In all honesty he could only ever sign the players available and willing to come here within the clubs budget. You pays your money and takes your chance. Sometimes the only way to convince a target is to offer them some security, at least two years of security to get them to sign on the dotted. Its a gamble - Cameron Tonge Harding etc are all two year gambles, and not looking very good ones at that at this moment in time any way. No I do not envy his task and he deserves many more games to try and get it right he certainly has a stubborn belief that the players he picks and the way he sets up the side will pay off. Whether that's a good trait or not remains to be seen mind you and he must be saying few prayers hoping that "his" investments/ gambles eventually come good. What I fail to understand is that we appear to have left little if any leeway in the budget to cover for another season of possibly desperate struggle. Or is this just a smoke screen? Mozika is supposedly at the club but nowhere near fit to start would he make difference within the current tactics and team set up? Or do we need to change from playing four out and out forwards who have produced very little in the way of threat and goals. My opinion is we are playing the wrong tactics and not playing to the strength of the squad. Lathrope we know can do a good job in front of the back four with him there it would would help release the full backs to support the wide forwards and take the pressure off of our toiling and ineffective midfield pairing. Strange as it may seem removing a forward for a defensive midfielder would make us more solid defensively and more of a threat offensively. For what it's worth hat's my theory anyway.
|
|
rjdgull
TFF member
Admin
Posts: 12,227
|
Post by rjdgull on Sept 16, 2013 19:35:14 GMT
Hey, steady on there, James! Last Spring when I thought Torquay were going out of the league I became pretty emotional, I promise! . [/quote] I never doubted that Chris!!!!!!!!
|
|