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Post by Swanny on Aug 3, 2013 17:51:15 GMT
Phew - that was close to an opening defeat and I don't think Torquay would have too many complaints had they lost. They had to rely on sponsors MOTM Martin Rice who pulled off 4 terrific saves to keep the game at 0-0. It was only a heavily deflected goal from Downes that finally beat Rice late in the game today. Downes later showed great character to score Torquay's last gasp goal. Crowd a healthy 3,441 helped by 772 from Wimbledon's loud and passionate support.
The first 5 minutes was a bit of a nightmare from Torquay's viewpoint. Torquay could not get out of their half and Wimbledon took the game by the scruff of the neck. It should have been 1-0 as Wimbledon had a 1-on-1 with Rice. But Rice stood up well and saved with his legs. Around 10 minutes Torquay had a goal disallowed. An initial Cameron cross was headed and saved but by the time the ball was bundled over the line an offside had occured. But this spurred Torquay into action and there was some good passing and movement at times. Cameron caught my eye with some nice tricks on the wing. Harding was settling well in midfield and Torquay were looking the better team. But Wimbledon still carried the greater threat but Rice was equal to everything. One save near the end of the first half was quite stunning - he dived at point blank range to parry a certain goal again. So 0-0 half-time.
I was hoping for more pressure in the second half from Torquay but it was not forthcoming. Again Rice saved spectacularly diving to claw away a shot heading for the top corner. Another thing Rice also helped was his kicking often pin-pointing his kicks to a yellow shirt. Elsewhere there was not a lot happening and the game had its dull moments. Loanee Ball showed his goal prowess by taking the ball in his stride and hitting a low shot from outside the area that clipped the outside of the post. Wimbledon made a triple substitution and Torquay at the same time brought on Hawley for Benyon who typically gave a hard working performance. It was a while before Hawley, who looks to me in appearance like Anelka, had his first touch but he showed some good glimpses. Chapell later replaced a fading Cameron and Chappell had a decent low shot hit narrowly wide and did perk things up a bit. But on 87 minutes Wimbledon took the lead when you felt the game was settling to be a 0-0. The goal had a touch of fortune about it as it deflected of Downes. Thompson came on for right back Tonge to try and salvage a point. There was some decent Torquay pressure. In the 93rd. minute it was substitute Thompson's cross that was deftly headed in by Downes. Plainmoor erupted and we were spared a home defeat!
My conclusions - there were glimpses of quality from our new players but it was a tough ask bearing in mind this line-up have never played before. Wimbledon looked stronger than last season and Torquay were fortunate to avoid defeat. Torquay clearly need matches under their belt to find their feet and gel as a team. It's very early days and at least we avoided defeat and I'm sure we will get much stronger. Harding impressed in midfield, Cameron had good moments in the first half. Pearce had one or two lapses but should do well. In the first half he got the wrong side of an attacker and got rightly booked when he tugged the attacker back and also gave away an unnecessary corner from a misplaced header to Rice. But he looks on the whole composed on the ball. Downes was probably our 2nd best player today. Bodin was frustrating again - on one hand winning the ball well and showing good control but his final ball was often poor. I was surprised that Craig was not even on the bench.
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Post by rjdgull on Aug 3, 2013 18:08:36 GMT
So with Rice in goal, the only surprise in the line up was that Chapelle was on the bench.
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Tonge, Pearce, Downes, Nico
Cameron, Manse, Harding, Bodin
Ball, Benyon.
For the first five minutes we could hardly touch the ball and Wimbledon had two gilt edged chances in this period. The first chance saw the ball turn the defence and left their striker unmarked on the left side of the box, in a similar position to where Chapelle scored his goal against Yeovil but his shot was well saved by Rice when really it should have been in. A minute or so later a cross from the right wing was headed more upwards by Downes and the resulting shot just went past Rice's right hand post. Wimbledon were rampant and their fans were enjoying their day out in the sun by the seaside.
We needed to wrest back control of the match and this came from from a good move on the right wing where I think Cameron and Harding combined well to cross the ball which was met by Bodin's head and many in the family stand thought was in but was in fact well saved by the excellent Ross Worner. However the loose ball saw Benyon and Ball (his name is going to cause problems I see) combine to scramble the ball into the net to the delight of Plainmoor until let down by the lino raising his flag. If nothing else it shut their fans up and there weren't any clear cut chances until just before half time where their right winger drove a low cross to the far post but Rice managed to get across to make a save from close range where again it should have seen us go down....
So onto the second half with the gulls kicking towards their favourite Ellacombe End and immediately were able to put some pressure. Nicholson has a good shot from 20 yards which just went wide and a great cross from the by line saw Pearce somehow in attack, head what would have been a certain goal if it hadn't deflected off the defender and over the bar. Wimbledon were also able to conjure up a couple of chances which again saw Rice called into action to make some good saves. Both sides made some substitutions with Hawley and Chapelle coming on for Benyon and Cameron.
Chapelle had a good chance firing just wide of the left hand post but as always is the way, miss one chance and the other team go to the other end and score. It may have been from the goal kick but their winger had the ball by the right corner flag and instead of crossing pulled it back to Pell near the corner of the area whose shot clearly deflected (Downes as I later found out) by virtue of the fact that the excellent Rice was left wrong footed and could only watch the ball sail into the net. Jubilation for Wimbledon who with just five minutes of normal time left thought they would start the season with an away win! However, as happens often, they got deeper allowing us to attack and push men forward. Knill played his last card, bringing on Thompson for Tonge on the stroke of 90 minutes with just four minutes remaining.
We won a number of throw ins to put Wimbledon under pressure and with the central defenders up, a cross from young Niall was met by Downes with the ball finding the low right head corner of the net to send Plainmoor into rapture!!!!
So an exciting end to the match with much to be hopeful of as we try to assimiulate the influx of new players this week against a much improved Wimbledon side. I will give my assessment of the players later.
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Post by chelstongull on Aug 3, 2013 18:34:03 GMT
Ricey did just fine pulling off a number of saves to pick up the man of the match award in only his fourth league start, only beaten by a deflection.
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Post by bert on Aug 3, 2013 21:15:08 GMT
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Post by rjdgull on Aug 3, 2013 23:32:17 GMT
Torquay 1-1 AFC Wimbledon. A vital late header from Aaron Downes saved Torquay from a poor home defeat. Player Ratings: Martin Rice: 9/10 m.O.m Great performance by Rice. Made some great saves to keep Torquay in the game. Not as worried about Poke being injured now. Dale Tonge: 7/10 Wasn't involved a great deal but what he had to do he did well. Krystian Pearce 7/10 Do some very good bits in the match but looked rash at times. In fairness Brian Saah took 6 months to become good. Aaron Downes: 8/10 Typical game couldn't do anything about the own goal. Great header to save the day. Kevin Nicholson: 7/10 Looked shaky at the beginning but improved well,great deliverers in the second half. Courtney Cameron: 7/10 Reminded me of Mustapha Carayol in the first half with some great runs and pieces of skill. Didn't get into the game in the second half though. Lee Mansell: 7/10 I say this every time but typical Mansell performance. Got stuck in very well and put 100% into it. Didn't have a great affect going forward though. Ben Harding: 8/10 Impressive debut from Harding. Great in the air, good on the ball and very strong. Billy Bodin: 5/10 Usual inconsistent performance from Bodin. He does some great footwork but then produces a poor delivery. Did get stuck in quite well though. Callum Ball: 6/10 Had one good shot and did some good build up play but most of the game quite quiet. Elliot Benyon: 7/10 Great work rate unlucky not to score in first half. Good performance from him. Subs: Jordan Chappell: 7/10 Did one great run and almost found the back of the net. Hope he starts at Swindon. Niall Thompson: 7/10 Perfect cross for equaliser. Hope Knill brings him on earlier against Swindon. Karl Hawley: 6/10 Did some good stuff when he came on didn't really see enough of him to decide see if he can make a good impact this season. Subs not used: Damon Lathrope, Thomas Cruise, Conor Thompson, Daniel Sullivan. I was going to do a player rating but a pretty good one here. Would personally give Bodin an extra point as don't think he was clearly the worse player on the pitch. Of the new boys, Cameron had some good tricks up his sleeve and created some space in the first half but didn't quite have the same impact in the second. Tonge was steady and managed to continued after a bad knock at the end of the first half. Callum looks like he is comfortable on the ball and was four inches away from scoring in the second. Hawley looks like he hasn't been through a pre-season but is strong on the ball and suspect he will be a very good asset. Hard to say where we are as the team has been put together very late and will need time to gel but I still remain optimistic for the campaign.
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Post by rjdgull on Aug 4, 2013 8:04:36 GMT
Thoughts from Knill now up on dot com: linkBasically, pleased with the point but expects the team to improve as they get used to working as a unit.
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Aug 4, 2013 9:29:24 GMT
Felt a bit sorry for Ricey cos he looked fine today, only to be beaten by a deflection off Downesys head when he was moving to save it. Fully deserves to keep his place for the next match Suppose I should add some thoughts on the rest of the team. I think the lack of match time shows with our new players, they will gel and look a lot more of a team with a few games under their belt. Ricey obviously had a cracking game and just shaded Downesy as my MoM. Krys looks a quality addition, comfortable on the ball and solid defensively, a couple of mis hits maybe but I was impressed with him. Tonge seemed to quietly go about his business, got caught forward a couple of times but solid apart from that. Same goes for Nico though he got caught out of position more often. Surely time for Cruise to be given a run? Harding in midfield looked calm and assured, with some nice neat passes at times. Think him and Manse will work well together in the engine room. CC started out on the right and had a good couple of runs but couldnt get into the game much in the 2nd half. BB im afraid started this season as he finished the last (ie. mostly ineffective) though he did make a couple of tackles in the 2nd half to help out Nico. Benners and Ball seemed well marshalled a lot of the time by the opposing centrebacks, though the ammount of times Benners was held by their no 5 was ludicrous. Do referees not pay any attention to arms over shoulders any more? Ball and Pearce came close to scoring with nice shot that clipped the post and a powerful header with the keeper out of position but blocked for a corner by a defender. Downesy got a nice header to open his account for the seasons (does it count as 2?). One could almost sum this up as a traditional cagey opening match. The team will gel with a bit more playing together and im more confident than i was last season...
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Post by petef on Aug 4, 2013 10:21:46 GMT
Definitely a more "open" style to our play which suggests that we could concede quite a few over the season so lets hope we can score plenty as well. Love the two wingers idea but not sure of their defensive qualities so I reckon its a bit of a gamble. Still think we need a more creative midfielder to steady the ship and pick a pass hard to get in a Russell type these days it seems. Impressed with some of the goals scored on the division yesterday Oxfords finishing at Pompey was devastating and were one of my picks for an automatic spot along with Burton and Chesterfield. Time will tell, I would still settle for an entertaining mid table ending with plenty of goals and less of the end of season drama we had last term.
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Post by gullone on Aug 4, 2013 10:59:02 GMT
So the crossbar challenge has finished, shocked! Surely the biggest cheer of the afternoon is when some unlikely looking numpty strolls up and manages to smash the ball against the crossbar from eighteen yards at half time..........i found it amusing anyway.
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Post by JamesB on Aug 4, 2013 16:16:19 GMT
I'm surprised by the positive reaction - I was a bit disappointed and thought we looked distinctly average, particularly in the second half. I thought we looked shaky at the back, weak in the middle to the point of losing control of the game, and the four forwards ran around a lot with nothing to do because they weren't getting the ball. We were lucky that Wimbledon scored when they did, because they panicked and put virtually all their players behind the ball, allowing us the space to play - until then, just like last year, we could barely string 2 or 3 passes together. I don't buy this "gelling" thing - they didn't look great on an individual level, something that got worse as the game went on
Of the new signings, I was impressed with Harding (when on the ball) and Cameron (ditto), didn't think much of Ball (other than in the physical sense), am concerned by Pearce's tendency to make errors (which apparently is a habit, explaining why he's dropping through the leagues), and think it's too early to judge Tonge and Hawley. Rice was a deserving Man of the Match, the only player on the pitch to do anything exceptional, which says a lot about how many chances we gifted them
Also if Nicholson's not taking set-pieces he shouldn't be on the pitch, because he's a defensive liability and every team in this division knows it
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Post by simonb on Aug 4, 2013 16:40:01 GMT
Gawd - why don't you join up with Brucie Gobtrotter on the other site! One game has taken place and your negativity cannot be taken seriously at least until 10 games have passed (after which I suspect you will be proved wrong)!
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Post by petef on Aug 4, 2013 16:52:01 GMT
I'm surprised by the positive reaction - I was a bit disappointed and thought we looked distinctly average, particularly in the second half. I thought we looked shaky at the back, weak in the middle to the point of losing control of the game, and the four forwards ran around a lot with nothing to do because they weren't getting the ball. We were lucky that Wimbledon scored when they did, because they panicked and put virtually all their players behind the ball, allowing us the space to play - until then, just like last year, we could barely string 2 or 3 passes together. I don't buy this "gelling" thing - they didn't look great on an individual level, something that got worse as the game went on Of the new signings, I was impressed with Harding (when on the ball) and Cameron (ditto), didn't think much of Ball (other than in the physical sense), am concerned by Pearce's tendency to make errors (which apparently is a habit, explaining why he's dropping through the leagues), and think it's too early to judge Tonge and Hawley. Rice was a deserving Man of the Match, the only player on the pitch to do anything exceptional, which says a lot about how many chances we gifted them Also if Nicholson's not taking set-pieces he shouldn't be on the pitch, because he's a defensive liability and every team in this division knows it Didn't read any overly positive reports or opinions James. Lets face it at this stage of proceedings nobody can really judge how things will turn out. We have to play at least five to ten games to get a realistic insight of how we will fare this season. Wimbledon were really up for it you could see it in there body language and I felt that a few of ours were convinced that all they needed to do is turn up and the result would come. As a supporter you have to look at the positives at this stage and there were a number in that Rice has gained the confidence to challenge Poke for the shirt. Downes is by far the best CH we have had at the club in a very long while and we all know that most of the rest can do a whole lot better and just have to start believing in themselves a bit more. We were all crying out for a more open attacking style and some are still adjusting so lets just give the players and manager a chance and I am certain we will see more attacking and entertaining football at Plainmoor. Where we will finish is another matter entirely and as you and many others right fully suggest we could very easily have been a couple of goals down at half time yesterday so who knows. Stick with its sure to be a bumpy ride.
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Post by JamesB on Aug 4, 2013 17:43:26 GMT
As a supporter you have to look at the positives at this stage I don't believe you have to look at the positives at all. You're only kidding yourself if you're looking for nice things to say and overlooking the major flaws in the way we played I'm well aware of the pitfalls of judging too early, the same as that Norwich City fan who tore up his season ticket as they lost 7-1 to Colchester on the opening day 4 years ago, only for them to go on and win the league and then get promoted the following season as well. But as far as I'm concerned, it works both ways - ignore the negatives at this stage and you'll be let down later on if/when all the flowery guff that fans come up with at this time of the season, like "he's got lots of potential" and "they just need to gel", proves to be nonsense and we never actually make an improvement Potential is just that - it might develop, but for now it hasn't. You should always judge what you saw happen, not what you might see happen in a while. We could talk until the cows come home about the potential level some players might reach. But even in my time following the club, I've seen so many players arrive with "potential" and end up doing nothing before disappearing into non-league obscurity. Krystian Pearce will not get 9/10 for being a potential League One centre-back - he'll get 5/10 for being a good physical centre-back with a good first touch who made a series of errors and allowed Wimbledon a couple of good chances to score I was hoping that if we were going to play badly on the opening day, it would give a few people a reality check, because despite a couple of promising signings, we're still nowhere near promotion contenders like some are suggesting. And yet even after that display, you've still got some with yellow-tinted spectacles using it to justify why we're going to be up the top end of the table. I really don't see the point - you're just going to end up with a situation exactly like last year, when people got their hopes up over sod all in the summer and ended up reacting angrily towards the wrong people when it didn't go the way they expected. Is Knill going to go from demi-god to villain the same as Ling in the next 12 months? It's worth bearing in mind that Wimbledon had more new players on the pitch yesterday than us, and yet it's our manager spouting the "we need more time" line. That should tell you a lot - we're on the defensive already. And the weakest players out there yesterday were not the ones who have just arrived - they were the ones who have been at the club the longest. It's a poor excuse. I'm not going to tow the party line here just for the sake of it, because that's not what I saw yesterday
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Post by simonb on Aug 4, 2013 18:55:22 GMT
Then naff off and give your undeserved "support" to some other team?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2013 19:35:23 GMT
JamesB Distinctly average is probably a fair assessment, if not a little on the generous side. What I'm not sure about is how big a concern being 'distinctly average' is just 90 minutes into the new season. Admittedly if the other 22 home league games were going to be fairly similar to this one then I wouldn't be overly concerned about missing most of them, but for the moment I'll put my faith in the contentious 'gel' factor . If I think back to the opening home game of last season we played beautiful flowing attacking football. The passing was of a quality Barcelona or Real Madrid could only dream about (maybe a teeny bit of exaggeration there), the understanding between Bodin and Howe was telepathic and their slick one-two's were a joy to witness. That 2-2 draw with Cheltenham was one of the best quality games of football I've ever seen at Plainmoor. In the next home game, if I remember correctly we demolished Rochdale 4-2 despite us going down to 10 men for the latter section of the match. But a lot of those players entered the final game of the season with the threat of relegation hanging over their heads, so if it's possible for a team to 'un-gel' to the extent that they could play like world beaters when I saw them in the opening weeks, yet disintegrated to the level that they looked as though a Sunday league side could give them a run for their money by February or March, then for the moment I'm believing it can work both ways and a shaky start could therefore be improved upon and lead to a strong finish. Having said that there are a large number of Plainmoor regulars and Forum posters who publicly nailed their colours to the mast and backed the sacking of Ling for 'football reasons'. Emphasising that they didn't wish to watch Ling style football, but did have an overwhelming desire to watch Knill style football. Whatever the evidence this Saturday, there's no way those people will admit to having to eat their words this early on. For the moment at least a performance that would have been castigated if Ling were manager will be quietly accepted with Knill as manager. If the worst happens, and the promised land of fast attacking football with skillful wingers, and Benyon regularly getting on the score sheet doesn't materialize, then you will see a gradual climb down from the 'Ling Out-Knill In' advocates, as they subtly change their position and put some distance between themselves and comments they may have made in April or May of this year. You have to really love the new wife if you're willing to put yourself and others through a particularly messy and bitter divorce to get rid of the old one. So for the moment you have no choice other than to tell everyone you couldn't be happier with the new partner even if you might have secretly started harbouring one or two small doubts. I know it's rubbish logic, but a few early poor performances won't unduly worry me, solely because I hated what last seasons superb early season football eventually lead on to.
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