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Post by gullone on Mar 24, 2015 17:50:24 GMT
Although it wasn't a league game - it was Sherpa Van or whatever it was called then, perhaps Freight Rover Trophy, I remember the attendance being something like 601 against Swansea City Bang on. 601 Freight Rover Trophy v Swansea 2/12/86 - result 0-0.  |
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Post by hector on Mar 24, 2015 22:33:25 GMT
Was the Chester 'Wharton', the tree-trunk thighed Andy Wharton, who played for us? Interesting to see Nigel Adkins in goal for Tranmere as well. I had forgotten that Frank Worthington had managed them as well. It appears that it is the one and the same Wharton according to DT's match report. I can't remember us ever winning when I was a nipper back in the mid-eighties. Grim times they where - I think I only realy enjoyed coming to Plainmoor in the 87/88 season but was probably too green to know that it was the first really decent season for years. I thought wins over Spurs in the cup happened every season! Oh, silly me - I didn't read the report that closely. I just looked at the team line-ups. Thanks for confirming. |
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Post by hector on Mar 24, 2015 22:37:42 GMT
I think that Swansea team contains Terry Phelan, later to be at Man City and plus two future Gulls in Dudley Lewis and Ian Love.
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Post by sam on Mar 25, 2015 18:42:07 GMT
I was at that game against Tranmere Rovers on 12th April 1986 and I remember it particularly well because it was Frank Worthington 2 Torquay 1. He won that game completely on his own with two poaching goals. I still remember one of them at the Babbacombe end even to this day. I am sorry but I contributed to making the crowd even less. I kept a diary for about 3 years in the 80's and this is my entry for that day.
Had tea and toast with John and Iris. They are thinking of selling up. Came over to mums. Went up Plainmoor with Bill. Torquay lost 2-1 home to Tranmere. Crap game. Someone rolled a joint up in front of me and got Keith Drouge to knock him off. Got programmes off Dave Hepworth. Went over to Newton. Chatted to John Haysom. Went up police club. Had a good evening. Saw Dave Bradbeer, Larry lamb, Borigarde etc. Got a kebab from Ali's. Only charged me 50p. He was very pleased to see me. went up Regines, whatever it's called, on the ring road. Bought shirt and jeans today at Come West. Saw Charlie Beer as well before I saw JH.
Didn't record the weather
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Post by gullone on Mar 26, 2015 10:01:54 GMT
[quote author=" ohtobeatplainmoor" said ; I can't remember us ever winning when I was a nipper back in the mid-eighties. Grim times they where - I think I only realy enjoyed coming to Plainmoor in the 87/88 season but was probably too green to know that it was the first really decent season for years. I thought wins over Spurs in the cup happened every season! Couldnt resist a re visit to that memorable evening...  |
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Post by gullone on Mar 26, 2015 15:04:13 GMT
This is how the Herald Express summed up Dave Webbs seasons. Not a sub thousand home in sight...........they were not admitting to it anyway !  |
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Post by Jon on Mar 27, 2015 0:21:33 GMT
That's a great read. "Courage, discipline, belief and tactical acumen" coupled with "fitness and ambition". Could we try that now? What a manager Cyril Knowles was. |
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Post by Jon on Mar 27, 2015 0:32:44 GMT
This is how the Herald Express summed up Dave Webbs seasons. Devon Bowl 1986 listed - debut for a 15 year-old Robbie Herrera. He's still here 29 years later. |
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Post by hector on Mar 27, 2015 6:52:04 GMT
Amazing to see the Spurs line-up. You'd never get a Premiership club like Tottenham, sending the first-team down for a League Cup 1st leg tie, to somewhere like Torquay, nowadays.
87/88 is still probably my favourite season, even though it ultimately ended in disappointment.
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Post by Jon on Mar 28, 2015 9:14:42 GMT
Amazing to see the Spurs line-up. I love the way that not only do they give the line-ups listed 1-11, but they even put semi-colons between 1 and 2, 3 and 4 and 6 and 7 to give the impression that both sides lined up in a 2-3-5 formation with Ossie Ardiles at right-back for Spurs! The report says Stubbs brought "old fans to their feet". This was less than 23 years after the Spurs game - so there would have been thirty year olds in the crowd who had attended the 1965 match. Mind you, I expect I would have regarded fans in their thirties as old at the time. I now think of fans in their thirties as youngsters. |
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Post by hector on Mar 28, 2015 9:45:17 GMT
Amazing to see the Spurs line-up. I love the way that not only do they give the line-ups listed 1-11, but they even put semi-colons between 1 and 2, 3 and 4 and 6 and 7 to give the impression that both sides lined up in a 2-3-5 formation with Ossie Ardiles at right-back for Spurs! The report says Stubbs brought "old fans to their feet". This was less than 23 years after the Spurs game - so there would have been thirty year olds in the crowd who had attended the 1965 match. Mind you, I expect I would have regarded fans in their thirties as old at the time. I now think of fans in their thirties as youngsters. The semi-colons don't really make sense when you look at that Torquay line-up. Cyril always played a 5-3-2. The line-up makes it look like Sean Haslegrave is playing alongside David Cole and John Impey, with Phli Lloyd, amongst everyone else (other than full-backs and keeper) in midfield, with no forward line. But reading it, nos. 1-11 obviously makes sense, although the semi-colons are effectively rendered redundant that way. In my mind it should have been: Allen; McNichol, Cole, Impey, Lloyd, Kelly; Dawkins, Haslegrave, Loram; Riley, Dobson; Once you see the name Caldwell, where Riley is, it brings unbridled joy looking at that team , yet effectively, it was the same set of players who struggled the season before. |
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Post by Jon on Mar 28, 2015 10:45:35 GMT
The semi-colons don't really make sense when you look at that Torquay line-up. Cyril always played a 5-3-2. The line-up makes it look like Sean Haslegrave is playing alongside David Cole and John Impey, with Phli Lloyd, amongst everyone else (other than full-backs and keeper) in midfield, with no forward line. But reading it, nos. 1-11 obviously makes sense, although the semi-colons are effectively rendered redundant that way. In my mind it should have been: Allen; McNichol, Cole, Impey, Lloyd, Kelly; Dawkins, Haslegrave, Loram; Riley, Dobson; Yes - spot on with the line-up. I might just push the full backs up a tad and have Loram a bit further forward into a nice 3-2-2-1-2 formation! Lloydy always wore number 8 for us - which would have made him an inside right in old money. Nothing could be further from the truth - a hard as nails left-sided centre-back. The link between numbers and old positions sort of held - so you knew an 8 would be a midfielder or a striker - for years after the W-m formation became outdated, but you got the odd ridiculous exception such as Ardiles at 2 and Lloyd at 8. |
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Post by hector on Mar 28, 2015 13:14:41 GMT
The semi-colons don't really make sense when you look at that Torquay line-up. Cyril always played a 5-3-2. The line-up makes it look like Sean Haslegrave is playing alongside David Cole and John Impey, with Phli Lloyd, amongst everyone else (other than full-backs and keeper) in midfield, with no forward line. But reading it, nos. 1-11 obviously makes sense, although the semi-colons are effectively rendered redundant that way. In my mind it should have been: Allen; McNichol, Cole, Impey, Lloyd, Kelly; Dawkins, Haslegrave, Loram; Riley, Dobson; Yes - spot on with the line-up. I might just push the full backs up a tad and have Loram a bit further forward into a nice 3-2-2-1-2 formation! Lloydy always wore number 8 for us - which would have made him an inside right in old money. Nothing could be further from the truth - a hard as nails left-sided centre-back. The link between numbers and old positions sort of held - so you knew an 8 would be a midfielder or a striker - for years after the W-m formation became outdated, but you got the odd ridiculous exception such as Ardiles at 2 and Lloyd at 8. Yes - Phil Lloyd was a great signing. You didn't really notice him, so quietly efficient he was at his job and I sort of liked the fact he was a centre-half wearing no.8. Yes, you are right about the full-backs, almost wing-backs really. In terms of unusual numbering, I do remember a young forward we had around 1982 Dave Butler(?) possibly from Coventry, wearing no.3 whilst playing up front. He didn't play too many games and perhaps the feeling he felt like he might be a left-back, sort of put him off. |
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Post by Jon on Mar 29, 2015 22:11:34 GMT
In terms of unusual numbering, I do remember a young forward we had around 1982 Dave Butler(?) possibly from Coventry, wearing no.3 whilst playing up front. He was from Wolves. Six league games (one at no 3, 2 at 9, 2 at 10 and 1 at 12) and no goals but his finest hour was in a testimonial match: torquayfansforum.co.uk/thread/4962/man-united-tony-brown-testimonial |
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Post by hector on Mar 30, 2015 14:12:29 GMT
In terms of unusual numbering, I do remember a young forward we had around 1982 Dave Butler(?) possibly from Coventry, wearing no.3 whilst playing up front. He was from Wolves. Six league games (one at no 3, 2 at 9, 2 at 10 and 1 at 12) and no goals but his finest hour was in a testimonial match: torquayfansforum.co.uk/thread/4962/man-united-tony-brown-testimonialOn the theme of unusual numbering that programme reminds me that Bomber wore no.4 for us. |
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