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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2012 14:10:36 GMT
The Yellow Yorkshire Moors Forum, Stefano? Run by a Derbyshire man - no less - even though he's currently resident this side of the county line. It's a thought but I better emphasise that my near neighbour over in S8 isn't the "compromise candidate" I had in mind.
I admit that one side-effect of rationalisation would be that, as a follower of both TFF and BTPIR, I would be deprived of a double dose of Stefano and his Tamar compatriot the peerless Alpine Joe. By contrast the lucky buggers would only have to read my posts in one place rather than two. Mind you, I sometimes think the more promiscuous posters - in a "multiple forum" sense I hasten to add - may get a better response from a more united audience. There are threads that once upon a time would have flourished, thanks to the old Newton Abbot double act, which now just disappear up their own backside.
Just a thought but it's one that occasionally frustrates me. As for now, Stefano may appreciate that I've just done the Howden to Langsett walk over the Yellow Yorkshire Moors that he inadvertently suggested the other week. Now where to post the pictures? Here, there or nowhere?
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Post by lambethgull on Dec 9, 2012 15:11:42 GMT
A joint forum would be a good idea, and given the number of 'cross-posters' each forum might as well be 'sub forums' of the same forum anyway. And we know regular contributors to each forum read both. You just think though that even if a 'truce' were called, it wouldn't be very long before one of the parties said something the other didn't like and we'd be back to square one. I'd have more faith in a truce between Israel and Hamas tbh. Those arguments could be entertaining for the neutral at first, but it got pretty tedious after a while. Having said that, I'd be willing to open a book on when the first "Devon people" argument reared its head  |
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Post by rjdgull on Dec 9, 2012 17:13:50 GMT
Shoot me down in flames and all that but since both the TFF and BYTIR are not exactly pulling them in at present wouldn't a ground share be sensible? I am not sure that TUFC fans really need two separate forums (fora?) and there are probably others like me who can't be bothered to log out of one and into the other especially if the two are going to keep on being snidey to one another. Dave, Alan, isn't it time for a peace conference? If Ian Paisley and Martin McGuinness can manage to bury the hatchet for the common good then you should be able to do it too, eh? OK, I've got me tin hat on so fire away.... There's a certain logic in that and something that I have intermittently pondered over the last few months....... Just to give you a history lesson, I think most people on BTPIR were / are members on this site initially. As you are probably aware, Merse can be "direct" at times and while there is nothing wrong with this to a point, he did initially show some restraint and while there were some bust ups, things worked fine on here. However, there came a point when he didn't want to show that restraint anymore and was forced to move on. Obviously he played the free speech card but as you alluded to in your OP, this is a family friendly site (13+) and as fans of Torquay Utd, I think this site should reflect what is a family friendly club and there is a need for boundaries otherwise you end up along the road of those other forums that you have highlighted. So can we get past this pathetic Monty Pythonesque scenario of the People's Front of Judea hating the Judea People's Front more than the actual Romans because at the end of the day, we are all fans of Torquay?  Hard to say, but I suspect that at some point this will happen either by takeover or merger. Could it happen sooner? Not sure, depends how Dave and Alan feel? If a first step is taken then, maybe posting on both forums would be the way to go to see if we could live with each other...  |
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Post by lambethgull on Dec 9, 2012 17:27:53 GMT
So can we get past this pathetic Monty Pythonesque scenario of the People's Front of Judea hating the Judea People's Front more than the actual Romans because at the end of the day, we are all fans of Torquay? Hard to say, but I suspect that at some point this will happen either by takeover or merger. Could it happen sooner? Not sure, depends how Dave and Alan feel? If a first step is taken then, maybe posting on both forums would be the way to go to see if we could live with each other... To be honest though, the only things that changed is that Dave has ownership and admin rights on his forum, and Merse has ownership and admin rights of his. Many posters view both, many post on both, and some even use quotes or points made on one forum to make their point on another. It's a ballache having to log into one of them, and some of the arguments were fun to read, but I view them as sub sections of the same forum. The only thing that's really changed is we don't get to see this any more:  ;D |
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Post by Jon on Dec 9, 2012 17:30:51 GMT
Shoot me down in flames and all that but since both the TFF and BYTIR are not exactly pulling them in at present wouldn't a ground share be sensible? I am not sure that TUFC fans really need two separate forums (fora?) and there are probably others like me who can't be bothered to log out of one and into the other especially if the two are going to keep on being snidey to one another. Dave, Alan, isn't it time for a peace conference? If Ian Paisley and Martin McGuinness can manage to bury the hatchet for the common good then you should be able to do it too, eh? OK, I've got me tin hat on so fire away.... There's nothing worse than someone saying "I used to think that, but...", but I used to think that but... torquayfansforum.com/index.cgi?board=pop&action=display&thread=6389It is a ridiculous situation, but in a a ridiculous way it works fine. All three forums are working o.k. as they are and there is not the constant bitterness and nastiness that there has been in the past. BTPIR will always be full of "snideyness" but that's just how it is. The link I put above (my first ever post on this forum) says that I would not want to contribute to a site whose main raison d'etre was to slag off other sites and that is why I don't contribute to BTPIR although I read it avidly. The logging in and logging out is a pain in the *rse and I absolutely hate it when Dave sticks the iron curtain up on here from time to time. BTPIR always has the iron curtain up (which makes the bitter complaints there when TFF follows suit occasionally seem a tad bizarre). I think the iron curtain suits a "members only private club" but not a public forum. BTPIR is clearly the former, the other site is clearly the latter. TFF at its best is a public forum - although the quirky style means that it will always have more of a broadsheet circulation than a tabloid one. As for quiet forums, I really do not have a problem with that. If you have nothing to say, say nothing. Quality over quantity. Signal to noise ratio is the key for me and I would rather see three decent posts only than three decent ones and another thirty to make up the numbers. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2012 19:26:49 GMT
It is a ridiculous situation, but in a a ridiculous way it works fine. All three forums are working o.k. as they are and there is not the constant bitterness and nastiness that there has been in the past. There's nothing worse than someone saying "I used to think that, but...", but I used to think that but... ....I don't think it now. I guess it's the sight of two forum owners desperately keeping their sites going and often ending up talking to themselves. It's also a bit ridiculous - my fault and mine only - that I'm keeping up two separate identities and, on occasions, modifying my wording when I simultaneously put similar posts on to each site. I respect Jon's decision not to contribute to Merse's site but the fact that there are people that I'd love to see on each site - but are absent - is one of the things that totally pisses me off. That's half the reason I double post: to hopefully engage with X on one site and Y on the other. But, without X communicating with Y, the threads never develop and they can't exchange thoughts.. That's crap really: X is a Merse man; Y is in Dave's camp. Result? I either post less or good conversations are nipped in the bud. As for quiet forums, I really do not have a problem with that. If you have nothing to say, say nothing. Quality over quantity. Signal to noise ratio is the key for me and I would rather see three decent posts only than three decent ones and another thirty to make up the numbers. Absolutely true. Forums may be quiet because it's the time of the year or when things are relatively quiet at the football club in question. Furthermore, just as the Internet message board killed the football fanzine, we may also be seeing the slow lingering death of the football forum. Not just this site but all of them. We may just be "forumed out" with little in the way of new blood. But we can't avoid the issue that there are specific things that may put people off a particular forum. In this way I'm faced with a dilemma over TFF. Less people are posting; how can I help? In the past I've responded - for the sake of it - when I really haven't had anything to say. I've also posted stuff - as a form of self-indulgence no doubt - that has little interest to anyone other than myself. I've also succumbed to repeating myself, sometimes on a weekly basis (have I said that before?). Now I realise that none of this helps the forum. Indeed, Wildebeeste said the same in the car yesterday as Jon has said today: if you have nothing to say; say nothing. A case too of knowing when stop. Like now. |
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Post by Dave on Dec 9, 2012 22:32:52 GMT
I have taken all day to decide if I wanted to post my own thoughts on this thread, I feel as a member on here I should have the same rights as anyone else. I want to get one thing put right from the very start; the TFF never has and never will be interested in slaging off any other forum that is connected in some way to our club.
One only has to go back and read posts made during the first year the TFF was set up, that contain plea and plea made by myself, that this forum was stopped being used to slag of the old .net and in particular the staff on that forum. It was not just one person who was doing it and all I kept asking was that the TFF just got on with trying to be a forum and nothing else.
So many unnecessary forum wars created for what? So much bad feelings being generated and to think we were all meant to be on the same side, our only real difference was we might have posted on just one of the two then forums. I remember so well just how much bad blood was created on the old .net (it does not happen these days I believe) it was due to that fact that I set up the TFF and wanted it to be something completely different.
Instead of being some back street type bar, the TFF was set up to be more of a nice comfortable lounge where you could find a seat to sit, enjoy some good banter and be able to debate the way proper debate takes place between adults. A place where after arguing your points you were still on good terms with the person you had been debating. With. Not a place when you came in the blood was still being cleaned off the walls after the last big major fight that had taken place.
Alan had a life long ban on .net; he was also banned from posting on the local news paper site, such a shame for someone who has to be one of the most knowledgeable posters as far as our club is concerned and on nearly every other subject you might wish to debate. When I set up the TFF I made sure someone got a message to him from the TFF, that message was we would love you to join us here so once again you could post about the club you loved and had once worked for.
I happened to believe at the time that as both I and Alan were big posters that both had so much to say, together we could make this the most special quality forum going. Together we did make so many incredible threads, but we also fell out a good number of times along the way. We were both as bad as each other at times, I was subjected to attacks a number of times and yes there were times I wanted to get my own back and I did.
Everyone knows how many hours I put into the TFF in its first two years, time put in to try and keep the TFF straight on the path it was set out on. The TFF the place where you can come and share your views and not be subjected to bullying, personal attacks and only the points you had made were argued or agreed with.
I lost count of all the PM’s sent to me; they all said nearly the same thing. “Sorry I’m deleting my account on here; while I think you are doing a good job, I do not see why I should put up with the attacks I received on here”. Or words to that effect.
It pissed me off time after time, there was I trying to create a unique and special forum, only to see it so often being turned into one I had come away from. Those responsible would tell us it’s not their fault if poster X had such thin skin or not very big balls. I’m sorry but the TFF was set up for everyone to use and having thick skin or big balls was not a requirement as it was meant to be a good happy and friendly forum where you could post free of any personal abuse.
We all have different ideas what a forum should be, in the end Alan wanted the TFF to be something it was not set up to be. The TFF was never going to be to everyone’s liking I’m afraid, I always hoped people would understand what was trying to be achieved, but it was not to someone liking they always had the choice not to be a member on it.
Just over two years ago it became clear Carol was losing her fight and would not be long for this world; sadly during those very difficult days the personal attacks aimed at me became far worse. So bad that Rob asked for a meeting with me to decide what could be done to stop what was going on? Rob talked to Alan to try and find a better way, I myself had done that so many times during the time Alan was a member on the TFF. Sadly the gauntlet was thrown down to Rob and Rob had no choice but to pick it up. It was a very sad day as far as I was concerned and wished it had not come to that.
Yes I knew not only would the TFF lose at his best the very best poster I have ever known and yes I knew he would take his followers with him. It was a dear price to pay indeed, but when no other way can be found due to someone not even being prepared to meet anywhere at all, the price was paid.
I’m very happy Alan has a place to post and share his views, I am sad that he has posted some of the things he has about me, but them I’m not surprised. I have been made aware of many of the things that have been posted, I was upset about the posts that said it was time I did this world a favour and jump over Berryhead. I was upset about the picture of a hearse put up that was supposed to have me in it; it upset me as I followed one of them only a few months before with my beautiful 52 year old wife in the back of it.
I bit my tongue and said nothing on here, but when I dared to try and give an explanation to one of our new members why Chelstongull had reacted in the way he did, I was accused of personal abuse. A joke as I was there when the question was asked and I heard the answer. It shocked me after all (probably no more than windups, I can see that now) attacks were made on Torbay and its people.
For the record I have always had great respect for the wonderful knowledge Alan has, I do not harbour any bad feelings towards him, I might be a short ass, but I’m a much bigger person than that. This town was simply not big enough for the two of us as the song goes, such a shame and I have always wished that better way could be found, but that turned out not to be the case.
As far as the TFF is concerned, I have no plans at this time to not continue owning it and being a member on it. Rob moderates the forum very well and I still believe it has a place and a purpose. I’m not sure there are enough good posters these days to keep three forums going, but as I have said before, as long as there are some who want to use the TFF, it will always remain open.
Merging of two forums is not something that is possible, funny really it should be suggested as a number of the old .net members suggested that when they saw how well the TFF was growing and developing in its early years. I’m very sure Alan would never want to post on the TFF again, that is fine by the TFF, his account was only ever locked in the hope even after that was done, that better way could be found. I’m sure Rob would always be happy and willing to talk with Alan if one day he did want to post on the TFF again, but I do not think that is something that’s ever going to happen.
In the meantime I can only hope the TFF can stay well and alive enough so that it does not end up simply being archived. That is not in my power and I hope we can now just leave the past behind where it should have stayed and somehow try to make the TFF the great forum it once was. As Lambie has said, nothing has changed on the TFF, its still the same forum, only missing someone I did happen to like far more than he will ever know.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 8:09:03 GMT
Posting the same message on both forums has been an interesting experience. I expected exactly what was delivered: two noes, Merse's short, spontaneous and dismissive and Dave's long and composed over a day but containing a detailed explanation.
Just checked both out again and I find that coming back to TFF after a spell on BTPIR is a bit like coming off speed. Yeah, it's cosy but that's the way I like it; BTPIR is more for the quick thrill, it's an illicit knee trembler on the Babbacombe cliff railway as opposed to a night in front of the fire with a DVD, so I guess it's better that the two stay separate after all. Better without the sniping though, and to that end if Alan accepts and appreciates the compliment paid to him at the end of Dave's post above then at least something will have been achieved.
Dave, there is one criticism which I do think is justified and since I started this discussion off I might as well be hanged (hung?) for a sheep. If you are the proprietor of a website dedicated to supporters of Torquay United FC don't you think you should turn up to see them play occasionally? It's not that expensive to get into Plainmoor, and if some folk can travel 300 miles to Bradford to see the club then I do feel you ought to manage to get to a home game, at least once in a while. Otherwise your assessment of the side's promotion/relegation prospects are based on...well, what?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 11:32:43 GMT
Wildebeeste dares to tread again....
But I think it's a fair point. Dave has clearly told us why he doesn't attend Plainmoor these days. He has also given the impression that he is just as happy - possibly more so - watching South Devon League football.
That's fair enough as a personal preference and requires absolutely no further justification or explanation.
But, to me anyway, it doesn't sit comfortably with his role as proprietor of this site. If I was in Dave's position I would desist with making too many observations about Torquay United. Furthermore I wouldn't - without attending games - choose to side with those who tend to put a less-than-positive spin on events. Nor would I venture the opinion that what is seen at Plainmoor is little better than what can be watched on parks and recreation grounds throughout South Devon. If I did so I'd anticipate sustained flak.
To regularly say these things - in a rather irksome and repetitive fashion - is something that gets on the proverbial goat. In fact, I've started to feel that it actually compromises the credibility of this site.
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Post by gullone on Dec 10, 2012 11:58:03 GMT
Dave, that was a very good post by yourself on how things have unfolded over the last few years. As a relatively new poster on here i really wasnt aware of the previous bad feeling between TUFC forums. I may have had a couple of little digs at your posts in the past but nothing more than tongue in cheek. I really enjoy the historical posts and no other forum can match TFF in my opinion.
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Post by jmgull on Dec 10, 2012 15:57:48 GMT
Wildebeeste dares to tread again.... But I think it's a fair point. Dave has clearly told us why he doesn't attend Plainmoor these days. He has also given the impression that he is just as happy - possibly more so - watching South Devon League football. That's fair enough as a personal preference and requires absolutely no further justification or explanation. But, to me anyway, it doesn't sit comfortably with his role as proprietor of this site. If I was in Dave's position I would desist with making too many observations about Torquay United. Furthermore I wouldn't - without attending games - choose to side with those who tend to put a less-than-positive spin on events. Nor would I venture the opinion that what is seen at Plainmoor is little better than what can be watched on parks and recreation grounds throughout South Devon. If I did so I'd anticipate sustained flak. To regularly say these things - in a rather irksome and repetitive fashion - is something that gets on the proverbial goat. In fact, I've started to feel that it actually compromises the credibility of this site. It is indeed a fair point and something that has irked me too of late.........so much so that when Dave does post about the current on pitch fortunes of TUFC - I find myself (guiltily) scrolling on by, not bothering to hear his opinion, which can not be taken seriously as he doesn't attend at the moment. Of course, it is completely Dave's prerogative to watch who the bloody 'ell he likes on a saturday afternoon. Personally, I wouldn't cross the road to watch football at that level - it's crap to be honest and that's from someone who has played plenty of it in the past - great to play in but terrible to watch! I get my enjoyment from watching the gulls and then kids football on a sunday morning, even if my lad isn't playing, we'll nip out to watch a game - there are some wonderfully organised clubs in the Torbay Pioneer League, it's generally lovely to watch kids play as if their life depends on it......it's so pure and unspoilt (it's only the parents that spoil it, and often they're hilarious anyway!) Come on Dave, it's a TUFC site - I don't want to scroll past some of your posts, get your arse up to Plainmoor once in a while |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 16:54:29 GMT
Thank you, Dave, for your honest and considered approach of yesterday evening. I think it's probably now evident that there won't be a rapprochement between the two sites at least until - if you don't mind me saying - they've put a bridge over the Penn Inn roundabout and reduced it to a shadow of its former glory. When that happens I just hope that poor old Merse isn't entombed in one of the bricked-up subways. I believe he has something else in mind for a final resting place. As for the internecine forum warfare, I'm in an ambiguous position because I contribute to and like both sites. Each, however, is stumbling along and it's hard to divorce either from the Internet persona of their respective proprietors. I'm never sure if it's a good thing when any site becomes too closely identified with a particular individual. I don't read the "third site" enough to really pass judgement but maybe it benefits from being less associated with any one person these days (that is right, isn't it?). As for Dave and Merse - as individuals away from the keyboard - they've always struck me as decent blokes. Not that I can claim to know either particularly well as I've only met each a relatively small number of times. To declare an interest, I've probably more in common with Merse even though we appear to go about things in rather different ways. That's the paradox of life. So, yes, Dave's response was welcome yesterday and it's a timely reminder of how this site was between 2008 and 2010: the best of times; the worst of times. Dave's reply was also rather different to Merse's even though the message was a similar Paisleyite "NO!" Or even a De Gaulle "Non". Fair enough, I'll just have to continue acting out the parts of Old Bartonian and his rather more unruly twin Acton Downs. Or whoever I am today. And, anyway, who the bloody hell is Felix? A radical, bolshie mangey cat? But - and there's often a but - there are a couple of things over which to pass comment. It shocked me after all (probably no more than windups, I can see that now) attacks were made on Torbay and its people. You're right, Dave, that was a running sore. There were certainly some unnecessary things said all too regularly. But I don't think people, as a whole, were quite as aggrieved as you portrayed. I certainly wasn't but, there again, I have a foot in both camps. I love South Devon but know it's not the only place in the world. I find the people there to be fine but they're not alone in their friendliness. Perhaps, in future, we can leave it at that. I was upset about the picture of a hearse put up that was supposed to have me in it; it upset me as I followed one of them only a few months before with my beautiful 52 year old wife in the back of it. Again you're right, Dave. This certainly wasn't one of Merse's more appropriate or well-timed attempts at humour. I can see why it upset you. Yet it needs context before it becomes something that it is repeated too often. Had it been a picture of an ordinary coffin it would have been utterly appalling and worthy of contempt. Instead it was a "cut and paste" job of - believe it or not (and you couldn't make this up) - Queen Victoria's cortège in 1901. This I felt, at the time and now, said something of Merse's well-known republicanism and scorn towards the monarchy. To make the crack at Dave's expense was unfair but, personally, it struck me as as gratuitous as opposed to malicious. If you want to check the picture I reproduced it on Merse's site today after he'd had a slight memory lapse. Which brings me on to the last and most difficult thing to say. We know Dave has suffered great personal tragedy over the last two years. But I think it's now the time to minimalise references to this. A few days ago a tongue-in-cheek post was made about Dave preferring football that was free to watch. Gullone - who always comes across as a very reasonable poster - has since apologised for making the odd gentle "crack" at Dave's expense However I was a little disappointed that Dave chose to reply to Gullone by making reference to personal circumstances. That's not for the first time and not good form in my book. I have to say that, if I wasn't a regular poster, I'd be scared off by the emotional minefield that this site occasionally resembles. |
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Post by Dave on Dec 10, 2012 19:28:31 GMT
Dear me I do seem to be under the spotlight once again today, not to worry as when I was Mr Davybeat it was something I enjoyed and got to like, but then back then it earned me a good living. I will answer a number of the points made in this post and will answer them in the only way I know how too write.
When it comes to being criticized I’m sure I’m much the same as anyone else, it’s not something I like too much, but I have never had any problems with constructive criticism. I suppose if you are seen as the man at the top, then from time to time shots are going to be taken at you, it’s something that has happened from day one and I don’t think it will ever change.
What has always disappointed me the most is that I’m just Dave, someone known to be an open book, wears my heart on my sleeve and am as big hearted as they come. All I did one Sunday morning was to wake up wanting to post something about a TUFC game, no longer liked what was on offer and set about trying to set up a forum run a different way. If nothing else the TFF offered fans a choice, something there was not before.
Wildebeeste, you will never be hung on the TFF for voicing your opinion, so there is no need to worry on that score. I do not see myself as the proprietor of the TFF, yes I’m the man who ends up in court if anything illegal gets posted on here, but I only see myself as the man who got the ball rolling so to speak. Yes I set the house rules, the sites ethos etc, but then in all fairness, the TFF was my dream and I knew what sort of site I was trying to create.
In saying that I can understand how it must look, you would not expect the top boss of Tesco's, to be doing his weekly shop at Morrison’s, but then in all fairness to me, I have not been going to watch Exeter or Plymouth play only local park football. Putting my circumstances to one side for a second, I do not see why I should have no more right to decide what I do on a Saturday afternoon than anyone else.
I have explained my reasons why I’m not going to Plainmoor right now, there are also far more deeper reasons that has nothing to do with the club, that has played a big part in the way my life is right now, maybe the next time you meet up with Jon, he might be able to enlighten you a bit, then you might have a better understanding. As it happens I will be up at Plainmoor this Saturday and not because I feel I need to in any way, attempt to silence those who are making the biggest noises about my absence from Plainmoor. I have simply needed to sell a policy I owned and have decided to treat myself with some of the money that will be coming to me. I will write an honest match report, I just hope there will be plenty of positives I can write about.
gullone, I’m glad and happy you enjoy the TFF, no need to worry also, I only replied in the way I did as I did feel without knowing the full facts, it was a little unfair to claim I did not like paying for my entertainment, maybe stick a smiley on the end, they do help to know it any remark was meant more tongue in check.
Barton Downs I don’t know how to really answer any of the points you have made. I have re reread many of my recent posts and some I would say were very positive and the last big one I wrote, I did my best to take a very balanced view of just where the club is and how well it is doing when so many odds are stacked against it.
I rightly have never given my own view point on any TUFC game this season, how could when I have not been to one. But one role I do have is to try and get debate going and so often I will write such things as “ reading some of your views It seems to me we are not playing well” I think you get my drift, but just because I may not be going to any games, I still feel I should be allowed to try and form an opinion based on what I have read or heard on the radio etc, then express it, should I have come to form the wrong opinion, then this is the place for others who were at the games to point this out and put me right.
I had written all this so far Nick before I have just read your very latest post on this thread. Once again some very fair points made and I’m glad you have mentioned my reply to gullone. Believe me I have fully moved on with my life, but I gave all the detail I did in my reply as I always feel one needs to have all the facts to try and understand everything properly.
My point about the fact two sites could not become one was only about the impossibly of all the threads on both forums being able to be put together on one site. I have never wished for the TFF to have any bad feelings with the old .net site and I sure would not want that to be the case as far as Alan’s site is concerned. Rob is such a lovely and well respected man in Torbay, he did genuinely try to find that better way, sadly it was not found. I said yesterday the account was never deleted only locked in the hope one day that better way could be found. I never close doors on anyone in life and I buried the hatchet a long time ago as far as Alan is concerned. We both played a part in what happened, we both need to share any blame that there is.
As far as the hearse picture and posts on that thread are concerned, I will not mention them again. I’m only a member on the TFF and only read this site, I was only made aware about it as it did upset some of the members on there who felt I should know what was being written, One did not want to tell me because they felt it would have caused me great upset.
I have never wanted to be the nucleus of this site, in the early days I often posted I would be glad when the day came the TFF could stand on its own two feet and I could take backward step a bit. Two years ago I put my hands up and said due to what was going on back then, I was no longer fit to run this site, thankfully Rob stepped in and has done a fine job. I hoped it would allow me to be seen more as a member on here and I have tried not to get involved with any (if it is ever needed) moderation of the forum.
I’m very reluctant to give up the TFF, if only for the reason I did create it, I do feel I have a role to play such as doing all the coding, making new rooms etc when required and doing the artwork for the banners etc. I would also love just to be a member on here as I have made so many good friendships thanks to the TFF. But if it was felt by the TFF membership that they no longer wanted the site to be owned by me, then I would have to reconsider my position.
I did post about the quality of park football v TUFC, I later posted I was wrong to make the claims I did, but I stand by all the reasons I have given, why I do enjoy watching football at that level and the main one has always been about me being able to take pictures as I love photography.
Jmgull, I love football at all levels from watching six year old kids running around to some old veterans side making almost fools of themselves. I even once enjoyed watching ladies football. I have taken your points on board, lets hope my TUFC match report is worth reading this coming Saturday.
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Post by lambethgull on Dec 10, 2012 22:13:31 GMT
In fairness to Dave, some of us exiles have only seen a handful of games this season, but that doesn't stop us holding forth on the team and set up so he's not the only 'guilty' party in that respect. 0 games is not the greatest stat for a forum owner living a couple of miles from the ground to have against his name though  On the subject of personal stuff, I'll confess that I feel a bit awkward reading all that as well. It's your forum, you wear your heart on your sleeve, and it's the way it's always been on here. There's also other places to go if we don't like it etc. But maybe a blog or diary would be better for stuff like that? |
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Hard to say, but I suspect that at some point this will happen either by takeover or merger.
