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Post by davep on Nov 16, 2008 11:47:48 GMT
Not sure if anyone has seen the Mail on Sunday today but apparantly there is a 4 page exclusive on Chris Roberts' mother who was a Czech spy. Could explain a few things!
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Post by merse on Nov 16, 2008 13:13:16 GMT
Hmmn, "traitor to the British people" or "traitor to the British establishment"? Were the Tories of Thatcher, Mellor and John Moore acting in the interests of the British people or the British establishment? There were and are many people who's public front as a politician mask their real pay masters.................paymasters who certainly do not pay them to act in the public interest or any other interest that conflicts with their own agenda for that matter. When the Daily Mail espoused the international Fascist movement in the thirties and hence the odious German Nazi Party, they were even then describing the Socialist movement and hence the British Labour Party and Trade Unions as "Communists" At the same time the British Royal Family were surreptitiously "buttering their bread on the other side" just in case and maintaining their right wing sympathies in their old German homeland. Don't forget these are the establishment who escalated the Balkan crisis of 1914 (The assasination of the heir to the Austro-Hungarian Hapsburg throne, Archduke Franz Ferdinand) into a catastrophic confrontation between three major powers- Great Britain, Germany and Russia who each had grandsons of Queen Victoria as their Heads of State. Thus followed the Great War and within twenty five years the Second World War which in itself became inevitable through the greedy reparations demanded of Germany by the victors of the first conflict. Were the perpetrators of that wholesale slaughter of the working classes operating in the National Interest or their own "pig in the tough" creaming off of the profits of armament manufacture? Never condemn an individual on the banner headlines of a media mogul whose interests and thus paymaster you have not fully researched!
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Post by Dave on Nov 16, 2008 13:18:29 GMT
Chris Roberts what a man and what a book he could write, that I'm sure we would all want to buy. I do wonder if I could have conned so many people. like he did, when he first arrived in Torbay.
Not being big headed, but I do have the gift of the gab and can talk my way in and out of a paper bag. Not one day goes by when I do not make someone laugh, its what gives me so much pleasure, why not try and spread some happiness around, we all need to laugh, its good for us.
Mind you some have laughed when they clapped eyes on me for the very first time, but I always forgive them, they soon get to see who I am and most seem to like it.
Mostly when I tell jokes I go into Jethro mode, as playing the part of a true west country boy, became a big part of my act. Yet there are times when I just start to tell a story, that has a punch line and I have no problem taking people in. My bosses wife falls for it every single time, but its only ever in good fun, its the way I am.
Roberts arrived in the Bay and stood on the five hills of Torbay, shouting to all who would listen, just what he was going to bring to us all. This before he even had time to unpack his suitcase. Mind you there were plenty later who were really keen to repacked it for him and get him out of town.
We know many fell for his talk and that is all it was, he delivered nothing and nearly lost us our beloved club. He took so many in and yes we know that includes our Merse, bless him as he really could not see the woods for the trees.
What I really would love to know, is how it all started, was it his plan, what was he doing at the time, just before he came to Torbay. Was it someone else who came up with the plan, to use the name of our club, to try and build a hotel and shopping complex on the seafront.
So many more questions and no real answers, so Chris if your out there, can you write the book, I will be first in line to buy a copy, only please don't sign it for me.
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Post by Jon on Nov 16, 2008 13:40:03 GMT
Surely Chris Roberts' mother's crime against humanity was giving birth to Chris Roberts.
Any other misdemeanors pale into insignificance compared to that!
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Post by David Graham's Eighth Pint on Nov 16, 2008 13:53:28 GMT
I'm not sure what's more disturbing, the story about Mr. Roberts' mother or the fact that you actually read that abomination of a newspaper.
My mum gets it so I'll have to ask her to send it to me. There's a newsagent some 50 yards from my house but I'm not financing the Mail's "hate everything" campaign.
Having said that, I always get her to send me the sport section of the MoS because - as much as I hate the man - Piers Morgan's column always puts a smile on my face.
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Post by Rob on Nov 16, 2008 14:04:52 GMT
Particularly interested to see the work carried out on "Sako" in the article.
It just states that son Christopher is said to have returned to UK. If only the Mail knew how much worse it got.
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Post by merse on Nov 16, 2008 14:05:55 GMT
I'm not sure what's more disturbing, the story about Mr. Roberts' mother or the fact that you actually read that abomination of a newspaper. My mum gets it so I'll have to ask her to send it to me. There's a newsagent some 50 yards from my house but I'm not financing the Mail's "hate everything" campaign. No need to line their pockets, just read it online@ wwwmailonsunday.co.uk for free!
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Post by chrish on Nov 16, 2008 14:11:29 GMT
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Post by Rob on Nov 16, 2008 14:12:43 GMT
Hopefully my comment will get through to the messageboard. Start a TUFC thread on it! Pointless newspaper.
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Post by chrish on Nov 16, 2008 14:21:15 GMT
I think the following message from a certain "Sara" sums up your typical MOS reader!
If she has only just been found out and nothing bad has happened between Russia and Britain involving compromised info? I would say she was a rubbish spy!
We don't know who lives in this country anymore - so there could be thousands of foreign nationals waiting in the the shadows to destroy our nations fabric at anytime.
- Sara, Hampshire, UK, 16/11/2008 12:07
Our nation's fabric eh? What next week? Laura Ashley : My life in Hezbollah?
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Post by Rob on Nov 16, 2008 15:08:16 GMT
;D
Thora Hird - "The Stasi Years"
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Post by merse on Nov 16, 2008 15:11:13 GMT
Our nation's fabric eh? What next week? Laura Ashley : My life in Hezbollah? "83 years as a 'sleeping spy, for the Kaiser" - Princess Alice of Battenburg (not the cake!) "The Queen Mothers' Third Nipple" "The Duke of Edinburgh murdered my son" - oh no, on second thoughts. Now they're proper fruit loop conspiracy theories Chris. Every one knows it would have been curtains for Laura if she had even dared. Once when I was driving the number 30 an old buffer said to me "you can tell that Tony Benn's a Communist, he catches the bus every day" .............'and you sir,what are you; indeed what am I - I'm driving the ruddy thing?' Never did get an answer!
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Post by jond on Nov 16, 2008 18:19:19 GMT
That 30 yard goal at Bristol Rovers by Maggie Thatcher, at her age too..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2008 18:25:18 GMT
I duly donned the surgical gloves for a brisk stroll up the hill to WH Smith to read a classic Mail attempt to link the Labour Party of the 1980s - and by dint, the current government - to the Soviet Union of the Cold War. Well, I suppose they've got to keep up a fine tradition stretching back to the Zinoviev Letter of the 1920s and beyond. As for spying on those who governed this country during the 1980s, there are a few of us around who might be tempted to give her a medal. Ah, but I've mellowed in my attitude towards politics and rival football teams, so let's just enjoy the story.
I was always intrigued by the Chris Roberts Czech link and thought it highly unusual - and quite endearing really - that a simple British family should seek a life in such a socialist paradise at the time of Thatcherism. In retrospect there had to be a story somewhere. It'll be interesting whether - with the Herald Express being part of the Mail group - we'll get a Chris Roberts angle to this in due course.
Maybe - by greasing the wheels of the Eastern Bloc political system - it all explains CR's fast-tracking into the all-conquering Viktoria Zizkov team of the late 1980s which, as you recall, barnstormed through Europe.
And what of the lad's "selection" for an England U21 squad? Was this an attempt at "entryism" so favoured by the Left in those days? I know Lawrie McMenemy, the then-U21 manager, denied all knowledge of CR but you've now got to question his credentials. Beneath the ex-Guardsman persona was Lawrie Mc really a Commie?
And what of Lubos Kubik? Was he the third man? Or the fourth man? Or even the fifth comrade in a square back four? Mark my words this isn't the last we'll hear of it.
At least it seems that Chris's mum - daubed TRAITOR IN A HEADSCARF (it's front page stuff) - was a pretty fine spy. Take her assessment of David Mellor:
(Mellor is )...a "highly sophisticated cunning politician" and a "slick operator – a smooth-tongued oily character, who is undoubtedly sustained by his image of himself and his own inflated sense of self-importance. His danger is that he is cunning and calculating. He probably drinks brandy at the end of dinner – most Tory MPs do, it’s considered the 'done thing' at Westminster. Many a slip of the tongue has been made after several brandies."
Who'd have thought it? Only a fine, fearless, perceptive operator embedded deep in the heart of the British Establishment could have discovered that. Okay she didn't detect David Mellor's weakness for women but nobody's perfect are they?
And then there was her father - Chris's granddad, of course (they're all at it!) - who tipped her off about a military arms factory near Taunton. If, as I suspect, that's the Royal Ordnance factory at Puriton, near Bridgwater, that's the sort of Soviet-style surveillance activity that can only be matched by looking out of the window near Junction 23 of the M5.
But, of course, the most devastating news for the Torquay United community was that Agent Kilburn (Cynthia to you and me) was required to use the codename "Sako" (Czech for "jacket" according to the Mail) when referring to Margaret Thatcher. Does this mean that the screamer against Bristol Rovers was actually scored by the ex-British prime minister under the heavy disguise of a 6 feet 7 inch Frenchman? Perhaps next week's paper will tell us more.
As for me, it's the last you'll hear of me for a while. Like Cynthia I'm an ex-Labour Party candidate (South Ribble Borough Council 1983). I also saw Inter Bratislava at Everton the following year. The net is tightening. Dave will paste my postcard from the Black Sea.
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Post by merse on Nov 16, 2008 19:02:16 GMT
Of course "Sako" now resides in Hamburg and can be seen plying his/her trade at the Millentor within sight of the old HQ of the SS which proved indestructible to both the RAF and the demolition man. Is this "Sako" , who is known to frequent the type of Reeperbahn "shoe shop" (that could only be the purchasing point of the dreadful fashion faux pas of the "Spy In The Headscarf") a contact of "Rigsby" who is another frequenter of the aforesaid "shoe shops" Where is our man Kipper MBE when we most need him? and why the surprising return of Sean01 today of all days? A tale of intrigue...................and don't forget either how we were "reliably informed" that "The Boss" had only 3 games to go at one time.........................was an assassin sent over and is he/she laying low ready to strike at any time The "Lads" commit the heinous crime of losing their unbeaten record? I think I've cracked the identity of the assasin .................COME OUT BARRY CRYER YOU BASTARD!
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