But, as documented in previous posts, my active support coincided with the slump from the old Div 2 to Div 4.
As this Season draws to a close , I'm sure I'll raising a glass to Don Givens as I have for many a year now.
His time at Sheffield United will forever be remembered for the time he missed a last minute penalty in the last match of the 1980–81 season against Walsall at Bramall Lane in the old third division. If he had scored, The Saddlers would have been relegated, instead it was Sheffield United who were consigned to the 4th division for the first (and only) time in their history. In 1982, escaping the negativity of his time at Sheffield United, Givens moved to Switzerland to play for Neuchâtel Xamax.
Still brings a smile to my face to this day. If ever a man deserved to be awarded the freedom of Owlerton, it's good old Don
Torquay & Babbacombe surely. Let Paignton get its own bloody team!
Torquay and Babbacombe? Babbacombe and Torquay? You venture into interesting territory, Wildebeeste.
Dean Court is getting on for Boscombe; the Goldstone was in Hove; Plainmoor is at the doorstep of Babbacombe.....
An opportunity missed in 1921 when Torquay Town and Babbacombe merged?
I wonder if other titles were considered at that time? "Torquay United" would certainly have indicated unity and perhaps Babbacombe was on the way to being subsumed into the identity of the wider town by then (some twenty years after Babbacombe and St Marychurch had been incorporated into the Borough of Torquay). And, of course, Plainmoor was close to the original Torquay borough boundary and pretty much at the heart of the built-up area. It was now quintessential Torquay.
What about Babbacombe's identity these days? I sense some holidaymakers see it as a different place to Torquay - Babbacombe, near Torquay - just as Annie Walker did in Coronation Street in a superior sort of way. But I think most Torquinians only see Babbacombe as a part of town (albeit, along with St Marychurch, as a rather special part).
Paignton and football? I think we've been there before.....
It would be fair to say, I think, that Boscombe is to Bournemouth as Babbacombe is to Torquay, except that Babbacombe is better known among the rest of the country since it's home to the Downs, the Model Village and is also well known because of John "Babbacombe" Lee.
In fact, I think it would be fair to say that, if it were not for the football club and Fawlty Towers, us Northern folk might have thought Torquay was a suburb of Babbacombe and not the other way round.
Time for a new merger perhaps: Torquay & Babbacombe Corinthians FC has a very nice ring to it.
Torquay as an appendage to Babbacombe? That may get a response from certain quarters.
A cathedral for Torbay? How about St Marychurch? City of Torbay Botanical Gardens? No need to look further than Tessier Gardens. Horse racing at Royal Torbay? Get them running at Petitor again. The University of Torbay? Stuff SDC and take over a few of those hotels in Palermo Road.
Torquay & Babbacombe surely. Let Paignton get its own bloody team!
We have got one thankyou, well more than one in fact, Paignton United, Paignton Villa, Paignton Saints to name but three. Thankfully for Torquay United they all play in the South Devon League. Can you imagine what the gates would be like at Plainmoor if Paignton had a team a professional team as well?
I’m sure the club would not be saying to anyone living in Paignton or Brixham, “ get your own team to support” as they know their fan based is made of from people living in the three towns that make up Torbay.
We did a thread on here some time ago when there was a suggestion the club could be interested in building a brand new stadium at Clennon Valley in Paignton. The idea of a name change for the club was also debated at that time I seem to remember.
While I know your remark was tongue in cheek, it got me thinking about a number of things that I would welcome others to share their views on. I live in Paignton and I consider that I live in the middle of the Bay ( Torbay) with Torquay on my left and Brixham on my right.
When people ask me where I live I more than often just say Torbay, as to me these days while each town is a town in their own right, we really are all just one. We have the same council and share nearly everything else. But how is the club viewed in each of the three towns?
Do the people living in Torquay just think its their towns club because it takes its name from that town? Do the people of Paignton and Brixham just see it as being Torquays club because the ground is in Torquay and as before the club uses that town’s name?
I’m not sure everyone living in the Bay feels the same way I do and might just see the two other towns as completely separate affairs. If they do then they might well see Torquay United as just a club for Torquay and representing just that town.
But like it or not Torquay is a part of Torbay and I just happen to believe it would have a much better future, if it was seen as the football club of Torbay. In other words it was no longer just the club for Torquay, but was also Paignton and Brixhams club as well.
Yes it would need re-branding and Torbay would have to be used in the new name, I don’t fancy Torbay United, but I’m sure a suitable name could be found.
Torquay and Paignton are as good as joined now due to all the houses that has been built and who knows in time Brixham might end up just becoming an extension of Paignton. I know at lot of people in Brixham think they are the poor relations in Torbay as they feel its Torquay that gets all the money spent on it. A Torbay football club could go a long way in bonding the three towns much closer together and then might in time gain many more new supporters.
Regarding the gist of Dave's post above, since I live 250 miles away I ought to keep my nose out but to me Torquay (especially the Beating Heart referred to by Barton Downs) is the most charismatic part of the Bay, Brixham is a quaint and picturesque fishing village and Paignton an enormous steep hill attached to a tacky seaside resort. I'm really not sure that making the club sound as if it belonged to the whole area would make a difference because it's still a bit of a trek to Plainmoor from beyond the Torquay/Paignton border, and the club's name probably doesn't make any difference to whether anyone would want to be a fan.
Where I currently live Chesterfield FC draw their support from as far East as Bolsover and as far South as Clay Cross without anyone in those places having any worries that their name isn't included in the club's title. The towns of Killamarsh, Eckington and Dronfield are solidly behind Sheffield United even though they are not even in the same county. Derby County are the firm favourites as far away from their home city as Ilkeston and Matlock. Meanwhile even in the heart of Mansfield no-one supports the Stags because, regardless of their name, they are shite!
One street selling seaside goods, fish and chips, arcades and other such goods does not make tacky seaside resort. Us locals are funny about Northerners rubbishing our place of birth.
Next you'll be saying that London is full of cockney pickpockets because you've seen Oliver.
Well it's my place of birth too, and Wildebeeste is welcome to speak as he finds.
A blunt assessment, but one with a fair bit of truth to it in my book.
(Just in case anyone is thinking otherwise, it isn't necessary to respond with a 15,000 word photo essay detailing the town's parks, beaches, views or historical buildings). The town centre is shite.
The Town centre like Torquay is tired, run down and need of some TLC but isn't prone to riots, looting and such like. It needs investment but there's no place like home. I never get tired of driving along Paignton sea front each morning on the way to work, always brings a tear to me eye.
Blunt assessment - talking bollocks more like. As least we're rid of the likes of you*. Hope I never see you riding your bike in the bay running a red light - you just don't know what madman is coming 'round the corner.
* folk who move away and say how bad the bay is - good bleddy riddance.