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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2008 22:16:50 GMT
Just a couple of trivial happenings that caught my eye during the weekends games. The sprinklers mysteriously started working during the first half of the Hamilton Academicals v St.Mirren game...not something I recall happening during a game before.   ......and the badly behaved Jermaine Johnson who was none too pleased to be substituted as Wednesday won the Sheffield derby by a single goal. Such was Johnson's displeasure at being substituted that he got into a few arguments & scuffles with the coaching staff, then as he was making his way to the dressing room.. in his frustration he kicked a water bottle which landed in the crowd. The referee gave him a yellow card for this (his second yellow which then became a red) meaning he was sent off even though he'd been taken off (substituted) three minutes beforehand ;D I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often, maybe linesmen or fourth officials will witness 'foul & abusive language' from one of the subs & he will consequently be issued with a yellow card before he gets on the pitch. Likewise I suppose there is no reason why a player shouldn't receive a yellow card before kick off & so start the game already on a yellow, should he for instance kick a water bottle into the crowd during the pre match warm up. After all reds have been issued after the final whistle for arguments that continue in the tunnel  |
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Post by chelstongull on Oct 20, 2008 10:38:43 GMT
I was running the line at the week-end for Chelston Juniors against Dawlish Town (they lost 11 - 1). Whilst it was only my second outing,the disent shown by some of these young players leaves a lot to be desired. Just wondering if there any refs or linos out there who can confirm this is now the norm?
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Post by Dave on Oct 20, 2008 16:24:01 GMT
Phil I take my hat Of to you, for giving up your time to run the line at local games. As someone who had the flag stuck In my hands more time than I ever wanted, I really do know what a rotten job It Is.
I have never run the line for junior games, but have watched plenty and I was shocked also by the decent that some show. I do wonder If It Is just the way kids are these days, now before I get shot down here, there are some wonderful young people who are polite and show respect, but there Is a growing band Of not so nice children.
So It Is no surprise really that even In a junior football match some will give abuse to linesmen and even the refs.But I ask the question are players In the top flight also partly to blame? these young players watch plenty Of football On the TV and see such decent being shown to the officials week In week out.
They well just think Its a normal part Of the game and that apart from trying to show their skills, also feel they need to have some attitude out on the pitch.
I ran the line so many times In games Ant played In,so Often the team would only have eleven players and therefore could not spare one to run the line. What upset me so Often was that by me doing It, I made possible a game that would have 22 players out on the pitch.
The first big problem Is trying to keep up with the play, you are near the half way line and a defender hits It long, Off sprints some young 20 year old at full pace. As I always wanted to do the best job I could, I would sprint as fast as I could to try and keep up, not easy I can tell you.
Then comes the abuse, I would never cheat, Its just not my style, you give what you see, try and be fair to both sides, but you are wasting your time. Flag for off side and a player Or someone watching the game, starts calling you a cheat etc, It hurts and you feel like taking the flag back and saying you can stick this where you want.
Yet how many games have we watched On local parks where someone from the other team has run the line and just cheated the whole game. Flagging for off side when your player was mile on, but the ref sees the flag and blows up.
It all comes back to this winning at all costs that some people suffer from, It has always been my view that the only victory Is one you earned, If It came by cheating then It can only be a hollow victory and worth nothing. yes you got the three points, but you will know they were not deserved, not won because you were the best.
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Post by NickGull on Oct 20, 2008 16:47:37 GMT
I was running the line at the week-end for Chelston Juniors against Dawlish Town (they lost 11 - 1). Whilst it was only my second outing,the disent shown by some of these young players leaves a lot to be desired. Just wondering if there any refs or linos out there who can confirm this is now the norm? I'm a fairly new ref this season (passed in the summer), but from the few games I've had to do, I haven't really had any stick from anyone to be honest, well, none that I know of anyway! What age group were you doing? |
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Post by Jon on Oct 20, 2008 16:51:17 GMT
I was running the line at the week-end for Chelston Juniors against Dawlish Town (they lost 11 - 1). Whilst it was only my second outing,the disent shown by some of these young players leaves a lot to be desired. Just wondering if there any refs or linos out there who can confirm this is now the norm? Did they call you a poltroon? Fancy people shouting abuse at linesmen, hey?  Did you see you got your photo in the Indy yet again - front page this time!! |
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Post by chelstongull on Oct 20, 2008 17:57:24 GMT
I was running the line at the week-end for Chelston Juniors against Dawlish Town (they lost 11 - 1). Whilst it was only my second outing,the disent shown by some of these young players leaves a lot to be desired. Just wondering if there any refs or linos out there who can confirm this is now the norm? Did they call you a poltroon? The ref shook my hand at full time and said how well I had run the line. I even had to flag for ungentlemenly conduct as well!! Fancy people shouting abuse at linesmen, hey? It certainly makes you think but I was doing it for nicks whilst they get paid. Did you see you got your photo in the Indy yet again - front page this time!! Yes that was my double. |
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Post by chelstongull on Oct 20, 2008 18:01:22 GMT
I was running the line at the week-end for Chelston Juniors against Dawlish Town (they lost 11 - 1). Whilst it was only my second outing,the disent shown by some of these young players leaves a lot to be desired. Just wondering if there any refs or linos out there who can confirm this is now the norm? Did they call you a poltroon? The ref shook my hand at full time and said how well I had run the line. I even had to flag for ungentlemenly conduct as well!! Fancy people shouting abuse at linesmen, hey? It certainly makes you think but I was doing it for nicks whilst they get paid. I wasn't afraid to call them as I saw them (unlike the linos at Plainmoor who wait for the ref) and the ref went by my decision when he felt I could see the best. I also kept up with the play which isn't bad for a man in his 40's Did you see you got your photo in the Indy yet again - front page this time!! Yes that was my double. |
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Post by chelstongull on Oct 20, 2008 18:05:57 GMT
Under 15's Nickgull.
I thought the ref handled the game well and not for the first time this season asked the manager to sub some of their players.
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Post by Dave on Oct 20, 2008 18:08:22 GMT
Under 15's Nickgull. I thought the ref handled the game well and not for the first time this season asked the manager to sub some of their players. Why did he ask for subs? was It due to abuse from them, It seems strange a ref asking for that. |
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Post by chelstongull on Oct 20, 2008 18:23:33 GMT
Dave, it really is a bit of serious backchat and by subbing them tends to defuse the situation well.
Abuse of the officials by the players (IMO) has got out of hand and needs to be sorted sooner rather than later. I'm sure the kids see Rooney, Cole and all bad mouthing the officials and think "hey if Rooney does it....".
The worst situations I saw was when Man Utd missed a penalty against Arsenal (I think) and several players including that ugly one (Keown) were surrounding Van Nistalroy with the vein in his neck throbbing and his face screwed up with anger. I don't think much happened but I would have handed out double figure match bans and at least 6 weeks wage fines.
As for the Thatcher tackle or GBH with intent I would have handed out a ban until the end of the season, made him sweep the streets and garnished his wages by paying some to a charity.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2008 18:25:47 GMT
I was running the line at the week-end for Chelston Juniors against Dawlish Town (they lost 11 - 1). Whilst it was only my second outing,the disent shown by some of these young players leaves a lot to be desired. Just wondering if there any refs or linos out there who can confirm this is now the norm? [glow=yellow,2,300]I'm a fairly new ref this season[/glow] (passed in the summer), but from the few games I've had to do, I haven't really had any stick from anyone to be honest, well, none that I know of anyway! What age group were you doing I saw what looked like a young girl who was the referee In a game I watched In Newton Abbot, she was shown great respect by the players, who never gave her one ounce Of abuse. I have been trying to get more fit and have been going to the gym, as I might like to have a go at doing what she Is doing next year. |
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Post by Dave on Oct 20, 2008 18:38:24 GMT
I do not know If there Is more than one young lady who ref's local football, but I saw one about two years ago at a game In Paignton. The one thing for me that stood out was just how much respect she was shown by the players, who excepted every decision she made.
I felt she got quite a few wrong, but did they say anything? no just put the ball down and got on with It. I do wonder If having lady refs may be a good way to go, look they play the game now and I know we have had a lady lineman (linelady) at a game at Plainmoor.
We talk about abuse to the ref all the time, so If having a lady do the job and It cuts It out, would It not be worth considering. She can't get any more decisions wrong than most men refs do these days anyway.
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Post by NickGull on Oct 20, 2008 18:56:36 GMT
Under 15's Nickgull. I thought the ref handled the game well and not for the first time this season asked the manager to sub some of their players. Ah right, okay. I haven't reffed for that sort of age group yet as I am still "learning the trade" of it, and am doing so by reffereeing under 12/13s. |
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Post by merse on Oct 20, 2008 19:34:53 GMT
I do wonder If having lady refs may be a good way to go,  I challenge you to repeat that statement when we have had Amy Raynor ref one of our BSP games!  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2008 19:46:47 GMT
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I felt the Arsenal players were commendably restrained considering Van Nistelrooys diabolical antics in that particular match. A hefty fine & a lengthy suspension were the very least the cheating dutchman deserved. The fact that Keown limited himself to verbally letting Ruud know what he thought of his behaviour showed considerable restraint when most of the Arsenal team & fair minded observers probably felt the Dutchman deserved lynching.
I still remember it as one of the worst examples of cheating I've witnessed in one football match & could quite understand Keowns reaction when the blatantly unfair penalty was missed by Ruud.
Patrick Viera who has been in plenty of big matches & controversial incidents during his long career still looks back on Van Nistelrooys behaviour that day with particular disdain & having seen the game on TV at the time I can quite understand why Viera holds such a low opinion of the dutchman.
From Vieras Autobiography
“Ruud van Nistelrooy is a cheat and a coward who is sneaky in the way he goes about fouling other players. Everyone thinks he’s a nice guy but, in fact, he’s a son of a bitch. He has a history of incidents that all too often have gone unnoticed,” Vieira said. “He has punched Freddie Ljungberg and elbowed Lauren. At Arsenal we hated him and had real reason to do so. I can’t stand the sight of Van Nistelrooy. He’s a great player — but everything about him annoys me.”
Vieira’s personal gripe with Sir Alex Ferguson’s No 10 dates back to the scoreless draw between Arsenal and United at Old Trafford in September 2003 in which he was sent off after fouling Van Nistelrooy. After Van Nistelrooy missed a last-minute penalty in that match he was crowded and insulted by a gaggle of Arsenal players, several of whom, including Vieira, were fined for their post-match behaviour.
“I was sent off at Old Trafford after a second yellow card as a result of an incident with him. I got shafted. Just thinking about it makes my blood boil,” Vieira said. “He tried to stamp on me and then he made more of the challenge than he should have done. I am not blaming the referee. He got shafted too.”
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