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Post by daveshaw on Jan 1, 2009 17:43:46 GMT
16 points behind Burton with 21 games left to go.
No manager has had the financial or moral support that he has had. Yet we still find our team out played and thought so far by the likes of Burton.
The Jan transfer window is now open. Does Buckle have the balls to make hard decisions and get rid of the dead wood and bring in players to at least guarantee a playoff spot? Or will he bottle it again?
Getting out of this crap league this season is vital.
Buckle have you got the Balls or not? Personally i think he will bottle it again. I hope i'm wrong, but on past evidence i doubt it.
I expect the brown nosers will have a different spin tho.
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Post by chelstongull on Jan 1, 2009 17:48:53 GMT
I think we will make the play offs with the squad we have with a couple of additions. Think that Burton will do an Aldershot and walk away with the title.
My hope is that we hit the play offs as the form team.
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Post by bbcgull on Jan 1, 2009 17:58:34 GMT
We went on a record breaking run once who is to say wewon't do it again? It is there for Burton to lose. I agree with Scott i think it was, you could look at it if we winour games in hand and beat Burton both times we will be 4 points behind, of course we have to do that but
it will be hard.
The Burton game is a must for us. I equate it to how the season turned when we played Aldershot. I think Burton are due an 'Eastbourne match' and they will falter.
Sorry but i can see anyone else challenging them apart from us.
I think we all agree that if we dont get a good cup run in either we atre stuffed next season and i feel we will never get back in, just a feeling. Like Dave Shaw commented... it is down to balls now
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Post by merse on Jan 1, 2009 18:00:15 GMT
 So, on the evidence of the games you have seen Dave, who are the "dead wood" you would be rid of? You are aware too of contracts, and that "getting rid" in January involves considerable financial settlement? You are aware too that we about to enter the stage of the season when the games come so thick and fast a club with a small squad could really struggle. "Bottle it" - bottle what?
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Post by jmgull on Jan 1, 2009 18:01:36 GMT
You must have had a miserable few months with us only losing only a couple of games out of the last 20 odd in lge and cup  The only one seeming to be lacking in the testicle dept is you Dave.....how about getting off the back of a manager who has produced several good cup runs as well as averaging nearly 1.9 points per game in the short time he's been here........a record far better than Tisdale's. |
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Post by merse on Jan 1, 2009 18:13:43 GMT
Despite Dave Shaw's view.................we haven't played "the likes of Burton" yet. Whether we sign players or not, there are no "guaranteed" play off spots...................it's just not like that - everything has to be fought for and battled for. Brett, if we don't make it this year, why despair? Future seasons are no harder nor more easier than this. Don't throw finance into the equation, I'm sure Histon, Kettering and Burton have more restrictive budgets than you imagine, and Accrington, Dagenham and Aldershot were never the highest payers. If we don't make it, this is no bad league to be in and not a million miles from League 2 JM.................if Stevens and Benyon were to leave would they be really missed? Would it lower the standard significantly? Are they producing as individuals? I suspect your opinion might mirror mine - "certainly not" is my view!
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Post by daveshaw on Jan 1, 2009 18:35:01 GMT
Merse. i've not seen any games this season. But i have seen the league table. I understand what you're saying but how much would we lose by not going up this season? We should go all out financially to do it now. You might be happy to stay in this league but if we do you will soon be watching on your own.
Jm, you must be really easily pleased. Remind me again, what has Buckle won? I bet you believe everything you read in The Sun. Have you volunteered to be microchipped yet?
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Post by jmgull on Jan 1, 2009 18:54:57 GMT
....Benyon just lacks that yard of pace and that bit of strength needed to regulary start in a promotion winning side....decent finisher and would walk into a mid table side in this league.
Stevens, with his size disadvantage, needs to have lightning pace......he's sharp but not quite quick enough.
Like em both.......but agree with you, their departures wouldnt weaken us significantly.
...A couple of new attacking options could take us to the next level.
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Post by eddyh on Jan 1, 2009 18:58:36 GMT
Dave, your assumption that somehow we are a dead cert for promotion but our manager is incapable of realising it is frankly ridiculous. We are, whether we like it or not in probably the most difficult league in the country to get out of. That is in no way the fault of anybody currently connected with TUFC at this time and certainly not our young highly rated manager.
There are a number of teams in the BSPL that will feel that they are too big for it and expect every year that they will finally get out of it. Reality says that the average stay is somewhere around 5 years and that will probably get longer as the years go on. To be in contention is as good as you can ask for and Paul Buckle currently has his team in that position for the second year running.
You ask what he has won, well in terms of trophies, his 18 months in charge has yielded nothing however he has won the respect of the players he brings to the club, his employers, most of the supporters and many people in the game. That's not bad in a year and a half.
I find it quite bizarre that after all the rubbish we have had served up to us over many years prior to our inevitable relegation, we now have such high expectations amongst some fans - When on earth did TUFC suddenly become some sort of football giant?
If we don't go up this year, we have another go next year, it's as simple as that. Our manager will have twice as much experience as he had at the start of this season and the likes of Oxford, Wrexham and Luton will all believe they will win the league at a canter again. To be honest as much as I desperately want us to go up, being in this league is not the disaster many thought it would be. Is playing in this league really that much worse than playing Macclesfield, Rochdale and Chester in League 2?
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Post by Dave on Jan 1, 2009 19:02:40 GMT
Hope you had a good Christmas Dave shaw and looking forward to be good year ahead, did Santa bring you all you wanted?
Maybe you could come up with a list of just what each BSP manager has won, but please make sure you also let us know, who long they have been a manager and more importantly, how long it took them to win anything.
I only ask as Bucks is only in his second season of management, took his team to a cup final and also a play off semi- final, in his very first season. I would really like to compare how that stands up, with all the other current BSP managers.
Burton are flying at this time, we do have to play them twice and now have two games in hand, no points are guaranteed from any of the games we have to play, they will have to be fought and won for by the team. Until we play them home and away and play the two games in hand, we do not know where we really sit with them in the league.
Burton would not be the first team to ever fall into free fall in the second half of a season, while they are showing no signs of doing that, it can happen, we just need to worry about winning our games and support the team and the manager.
Getting rid of dead wood we have some players who have not featured, they are under contract and how do we get rid off them? we have some non important cup games we have to play and they will I hope be used in such games, to help preserve the first team players.
Do they not ever play the song Its Not Over Till The Fat Lady Sings where you live Dave? because the song has a ring of truth to it and until the final whistle goes at the end of the season, I'll back Bucks to keep doing the good job he is now.
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Post by jmgull on Jan 1, 2009 19:07:33 GMT
Jm, you must be really easily pleased. Remind me again, what has Buckle won? I bet you believe everything you read in The Sun. Have you volunteered to be microchipped yet? Oh dear, resorting to playground insults does you no favours, just makes you look even more idiotic. Buckle hasn't won anything in his ONE full season, but came close and in my opinion, has done a lot of good things since he took over. I follow TUFC in the BSP......i dont have your premiership "armchair fan" mentality of instant success or sack everyone. As long as i see progress on and off the pitch i will be satisfied. |
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Post by Dave on Jan 1, 2009 19:15:34 GMT
Take no notice Jm our Dave loves to do his little insults ;D maybe one day he will come to England and even Torquay to judge properly all the good that is going on at Plainmoor, could even arrange for him to have a nice chat to Bucks  that would be interesting. |
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Post by chrish on Jan 1, 2009 19:43:57 GMT
Testicle department? Thailand. The mind boggles. Time to say Phuket and Bang one's Kok instead.
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Post by bbcgull on Jan 1, 2009 20:20:41 GMT
Indeed in hindsight Merse, after reading your post, it is true. Look at Exeter City for example. When i lived in Exeter at St.James i was at one of the first Trust meetings they had (as my friends were fans) and they said they had a 5 year plan to get back in and they did it in year 5 or 6. It is not the end of thr world if we dont do it this season. It would be good if we could with the team we have and the financial situation at the moment.
In olden times Doncaster went down and went up to Championship as did Colchester. Barnet came back, Halifax came back once before they went down again, so they are varying examples of what happens.
BSP is easily a League 3 (Div 5 old money) although i hope they never make them a proper league and leave it as 92.
Looking at the table Wrexham have 4 games in hand on Burton which IF they won all those they would be something like 7 points behind and im sure they are not giving up yet.
I suppose they question remains will we have the funds to sustain or even enhance the team next year without some sort of success this year? I still beleive we have the best team we have had even better then last season, so i guess that is why my concerns about what will happen next year if we dont go up this year.
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Post by jmgull on Jan 1, 2009 20:23:08 GMT
Take no notice Jm our Dave loves to do his little insults ;D maybe one day he will come to England and even Torquay to judge properly all the good that is going on at Plainmoor, could even arrange for him to have a nice chat to Bucks that would be interesting. No offence taken dave, his posting style is similair to that other hilarious panto villain.....terryl/brucie. |
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that would be interesting.