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Post by rjdgull on Sept 26, 2013 16:28:21 GMT
Some shocking allegations flying around about the construction of stadia for this world cup. Human rights not always too great in this part of the world... link |
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Post by JamesB on Sept 26, 2013 16:37:07 GMT
Half of the "new" Middle East is built from slave labour. It's not really that surprising but it does bring up more questions as to the reasons why Qatar was picked in the first place, and why these issues weren't addressed during the bidding process. We knew there would be issues about the weather. We knew they had homophobic laws. We knew it would be hot in the summer. These issues should have been raised at the time the bidding process was taking place, so that if/when the announcement was made that Qatar would be hosting, these points could be raised again to try and prove how corrupt the process was. But no, the English media were far too interested in bitching about the failure of the England bid
I'm all for the Middle East having a World Cup as the West has dominated these events for so long (and has some disgusting ways itself), but at the same time this just seems like a massive fudge, a decision made for the sake of money rather than a genuine desire for diversity in the hosting of these events
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Post by Rags on Sept 26, 2013 17:34:49 GMT
I'm all for the Middle East having a World Cup as the West has dominated these events for so long (and has some disgusting ways itself), but at the same time this just seems like a massive fudge, a decision made for the sake of money rather than a genuine desire for diversity in the hosting of these events And could that money, by any chance, be connected to the enormous wad of cash that the Qatar ruling family contributed to Sepp Blatter's successful 1998 FIFA Presidency campaign? Just asking... |
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Sept 26, 2013 18:47:05 GMT
I'm all for the Middle East having a World Cup as the West has dominated these events for so long (and has some disgusting ways itself), but at the same time this just seems like a massive fudge, a decision made for the sake of money rather than a genuine desire for diversity in the hosting of these events And could that money, by any chance, be connected to the enormous wad of cash that the Qatar ruling family contributed to Sepp Blatter's successful 1998 FIFA Presidency campaign? Just asking... Of course not. How could you think such a thing  (Smiley sweating in the heat) Oh, and as to the OP, anyone who has been to the Gulf area will know that's how all work is done out there. Pretty much all the labour is imported on working contracts as the "locals" either cant be bothered with such "menial" matters (or TBH cant be trusted not to bugger it up). That's gleaned from plenty of working trips out to the various Gulf states over the last 25 or so years. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 9:16:06 GMT
rjdgull If there's anyone the Left, and the BBC in particular, dislikes more than the Tories it's FIFA. It's been all out war since the Panorama special of a few years ago. It's no surprise that the BBC and it's print arm The Guardian are trying this latest trick. Another Torquay fans website with a left leaning proprietor has happily given full publicity to this story, and here we see rjdgull openly state that the current allegations relate to the construction of World Cup stadia. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story as they say, as it's still the case that construction of the various stadia for the Qatar World Cup hasn't even started yet. While FIFA are no angels, and Ditmar explains the way things are often done in that part of the world, I doubt that the conditions endured by construction workers once they get on to building things directly connected to FIFA will be particularly bad for that area of the world, in fact they may well be far better than usual. 'While construction on work relating directly to the 2022 Fifa World Cup in Qatar has not yet commenced, we have always believed that hosting the 2022 Fifa World Cup in Qatar could be the catalyst for positive change. Clauses protecting the rights of workers on Q22 projects will be enshrined in our contracts and will supplement all relevant Qatari laws by taking additional steps that Q22 has identified in order to enhance the welfare of our workers. We are driven by transparency in setting up our standards, which will include a robust enforcement and monitoring mechanism. We are working with international NGOs, including Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International. We also maintain an open channel of dialogue with the International Labour Organisation (ILO) on these issues, via close consultation with the Ministry of Labour and other relevant government agencies. Q22 is also working with Qatar's Human Rights Co-ordination Committee (QHRCC) which consists of representatives from Q22, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Ministry of Labour, Qatar Foundation for Human Trafficking, Qatar Foundation for Child and Women Protection, the Follow up and Search Unit of the Ministry of Interior, and the National Human Rights Committee'. Link - Workers of The World Unite And Read The Guardian
There'll be plenty of opportunity to throw mud at FIFA over the next 9 or so years, particularly if they don't ensure that all construction workers wear rainbow laces in their safety boots  |
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Post by JamesB on Sept 27, 2013 15:08:50 GMT
It's nothing to do with Left and Right. It's about corruption and anti-corruption, slavery and anti-slavery. I don't think the Left really gives a toss about FIFA beyond its corruption. And people shouldn't really be caring as much about Qatar beyond its use of slave labour. So unless the Tories have gone back to supporting slavery and corruption again (well, at least openly), I don't really see the relevance of turning this into a party political issue
For what it's worth, I was disappointed with the way the bidding process was handled (I wanted Australia to win 2022), but I think some of the media coverage since has been unfair - a lot of the English journalists have come across as spoilt children in the way they've whinged about moving the World Cup to the winter. Not every country has an August-May season, and those that don't have to rearrange their seasons every 4 years to accommodate summer World Cups, so I don't see the problem of the Western Europe powerhouses taking the hit once considering we'll have had nearly a century of forcing others to make way for us
To complain about that is classic Western-centrism - we think the world should revolve around us, but we have to accept that football isn't a Western-centric sport and countries in other regions deserve a crack, even if they get that crack by bribing officials and spending vast sums on getting stars like Zinedine Zidane involved with their bids for no real reason. The decision has been made and we have to live with it
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Post by rjdgull on Feb 24, 2015 19:54:09 GMT
linkUpdate on this farce, seems to be set for November / December with the final on the 23rd December!!!!!
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