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Post by Dave on Oct 11, 2012 16:24:53 GMT
Comparing the two pictures and in particular the position of the trees in front of the building, I would say !00% the Devon Senior Cup was played at Plainmoor.
Just love all they great clippings Jon finds and I'm sure there are still so many more to be found.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2012 16:39:35 GMT
I'm now struggling to remember the old Homelands school buildings. I guess I always spent more time looking at the Torquay United side of the street.
All I know is that those who went there occasionally sat exams in the Torquay United social club.
Isn't Homelands primary school now on Westhill Road on the former Westhill secondary school site?
Behind Percy Mackrill's old house?
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Post by rjdgull on Oct 11, 2012 18:37:18 GMT
Doesn't really do it justice.....
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Post by stefano on Oct 11, 2012 18:55:47 GMT
I'm now struggling to remember the old Homelands school buildings. I guess I always spent more time looking at the Torquay United side of the street. All I know is that those who went there occasionally sat exams in the Torquay United social club. Isn't Homelands primary school now on Westhill Road on the former Westhill secondary school site? Behind Percy Mackrill's old house? I think the building featured was the Homelands senior school, the vicarage type frontage being the entrance into a cloakroom and then through the cloakroom to the corridor. To the left being one of the classrooms, occupied by a teacher called Gill when I was there! Fairly certain looking at the angles in both photographs and what we saw of Plainmoor from that part of the Homelands playground.
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Post by Dave on Oct 11, 2012 19:16:10 GMT
Just looked at two maps of that area dating from 1935 and June 1968 and they both seem to show the same building. On the latter map it shows this building as Homelands County Infants School and maybe Stefano can recall what it was like? Typically, the grid section bisects the building. Ellacombe vicarage is marked on there as well. The older map is of a smaller scale and refers to the site as central school. I will post the map later this evening. Homelands Central School, Torquay, Devon, 1928-1945; Homelands Modern Secondary School Torquay, Devon 1945-1946; Homelands Secondary Technical School Torquay, Devon 1946-1956 I found this great wartime story I thought would add interest to this thread Born and bred in Torquay, I was a schoolgirl at Homelands Central School for the duration of the war. Many of the pupils were evacuees from the blitz-torn east end of London, but nowhere in the country was entirely safe from raids, and for our protection there were air raid shelters in the playground. The sheer number of evacuees proved a challenge to the school and we lost both our library and our laboratories when those rooms were hastily pressed into service as classrooms. And the evacuees weren’t the only strangers around; latterly, there were American soldiers based near the football ground at Plainmoor. Even as a schoolgirl, I witnessed great loss during the war. I recall the dreadful St. Marychurch bombing vividly because many of my classmates died in that attack and I attended their funeral. And we also lost our French teacher Miss Oldacre; she was staying in a hotel at Torquay harbour when the building suffered a direct hit. I have happier memories, however, of being part of the Red Ant dance troupe. A group of local children led by Mrs Heard, we used to travel around Torbay giving fundraising performances for Prison of War Relief. What also remains strong in my memory is a coincidence that stems from one day in 1942. I was walking along the sea front past the Palm Court with my aunt and my twin brother Leslie. Although the beaches were cordoned off with barbed wire, there were still gaps that you could gain access through. I always remember being told, “Look out to sea and, if you see a German plane, go and tell a policeman.” On that day, we certainly saw Germans, but we didn’t have time to tell a policeman! Without warning, bomber craft sped in towards us over the sea and strafed the beach with machine gun fire. We ran into the Palm Court and took cover under tables whilst outside on Torre Abbey Sands, the schools inspector Mr Kestaven was caught on the beach with his 3 year old son. The bombers came so close that they were able to see the pilot’s face in the cockpit. In desperation Mr Kestevan threw his son to the sand and flattened himself on top of the toddler. There was a spray of bullets and Mr Kestevan was hit. He died saving his son. Many years later, I was attending a party at a hotel in Bishopsteinton for my son’s 21st birthday. There was a young man working as a portrait artist at the hotel who we got into conversation with and it soon transpired he was none other than Mr. Kestevan’s son! As proof, he even removed his shoe and sock and showed me the scar of a bullet hole in his foot — a permanent reminder of his narrow escape and his father’s selfless courage. My husband Dennis also remembers a raid on Torquay when he was 13: “I was in the park at Chelston when, suddenly, a German plane appeared out of nowhere tearing towards me across the sky with a British Hurricane fighter pilot on its tail. I was so close to the German plane at one point that I could see the pilot’s face. The British pursuer eventually shot the German plane down over the bay.” “The Americans had a strong presence in Torquay and many of them were stationed in huge army lorries that filled whole roads up and down Torquay. They were only allowed to leave the lorries twice a day and since the American canteen was up at St. Luke’s Park, my brother cleverly offered to run errands for the troops; he made a fortune in tips from bringing them fish and chips! They were all very welcome, however, and it was a bit of a shock when we woke up one day to find them all gone, lorries and all. They had joined literally thousands of young American lads who had marched all the way from Stover to the Torquay slipways in order to embark on D-Day operations.” www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/stories/52/a6616352.shtml
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2012 19:55:16 GMT
In that January 2009 thread I used the entry for Plainmoor from The Ultimate Directory of English and Scottish Football League Grounds. At the time Jon was able to highlight a couple of errors in the text. I'm reproducing the map again and you can see both the infants school and the central school clearly marked. Looking at John Pike's centenary history there was a kind of special school on the site from 1913 with more buildings added in 1928. The old Westhill School also dates from this time which, just as Torquay United were entering the Football League, saw a considerable amount of new building in the vicinity.
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Post by stefano on Oct 11, 2012 20:21:31 GMT
Looking at the map it does clearly show that the building in the two photos is the junior school. I can't actually remember what it looked like even though I went to the senior school for 5 years!! At the time I was there the junior school was wedged between two sections of the senior Homelands school. There was the old senior school at the Ellacombe end of the football ground and the other side was a quite modern (at that time) engineering and carpentry block which certainly wasn't there in 1946!
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Post by Jon on Oct 11, 2012 21:14:42 GMT
Thanks for all the contributions - especially to teignmouth54 for solving the riddle. It really was annoying me that I could not work out where everything was - I had made the schoolboy error of ruling out the Homelands Lane side as I could not see the grandstand.
It's always nice to have a new poster on board. If you find anything else of interest in the History Room or the Programmes Room, teignmouth54, please don't be afraid to bring old threads back to the top by adding comments.
It's always a pleasure to re-read Barty's old postings anyway - particularly as my memory is going so I've often forgotten I read them in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2012 21:21:44 GMT
Jon is forgiven for forgetting some of my posts.
I can't remember most of them myself.
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Post by Jon on Oct 11, 2012 21:27:02 GMT
I came across the report of the 1946 AGM and there is an interesting comment on Plainmoor in it. "Plan A" was to move to Torre Valley North (the Rosery), but "plan B" was to shift the pitch up away from Babbacombe towards Ellacombe. It seems a good idea to me - I've always been a bit wary of the Babbacombe lot. We have had lengthy discussions on why the wedge shape of the plot made it impossible to have a much deeper covered terrace on the full length of the Pop - even if not everyone agreed that it was a problem. Had we moved the pitch up to the "fat end" of the plot back in 1946, we could have had a nice deep covered Popside in 1994. Here's the whole AGM report - I'm sure Barty will find something else of interest.
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Post by Jon on Oct 11, 2012 21:32:46 GMT
If James were 66 years older, he would have been telling us that Colonel Ward would have to sack himself if he failed to deliver on his "promise" to "go all out for the top of the league and promotion to the Second Division".
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Post by phipsy on Jan 23, 2013 18:14:37 GMT
i went to a school called the open air school( for sickly and disabled kids) which was behind the main stand towards the babbacombe end. the very large old house was called homelands. in this house we had some lessons and also had breakfast , lunch and tea. we were delivered there by taxi each day. the open air school eventually moved to watcombe and was named coombe pafford school. i was at this school between the age of 5 and 9 and was deemed sufficiently healthy to be transferred to barton school. my earliest memories were seeing the players report each day for training from our playground.
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Post by Jon on Jan 23, 2013 20:10:42 GMT
i went to a school called the open air school( for sickly and disabled kids) which was behind the main stand towards the babbacombe end. the very large old house was called homelands. Interesting stuff phipsy. The council bought the house and grounds and the football field in 1910. I assume that the new Homelands school was built in the grounds and the house left untouched then?
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Post by phipsy on Jan 24, 2013 9:34:03 GMT
jon. not sure when the big Homelands house was demolished. probably not long after the school, teachers and pupils were moved to watcombe---coombe pafford. it was may be 1954-55. the teaching at Homelands Open Air school was not only taught in the big house but there were three mobile classrooms on stillts in the large grounds. in one of these mobile classrooms, the largest one, the whole of the pupils probably around 70 would go to bed on single bunk beds for about an hour. this was followed by a spoonful of malt to make us strong and healthy young people. unfortunatley during my four years there i lost about six of my friends, mainly tuberculosis and some heart conditions.
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