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Post by Swanny on Sept 8, 2012 20:05:56 GMT
Here's a picture of the teams coming out today and the so-called sold-out Bristow Bench in the background. At least Argyle fans know how to fill a stand properly. And as for that annoying huge flag taking up vital seats that may have otherwise been sold.
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Post by stewart on Sept 8, 2012 22:58:18 GMT
I don't go to matches any more for reasons which I have made perfectly clear since Mr Ling's tactics became evident. Some people may appreciate the reasons behind a formation in which there is only one forward.
However, I feel that this is the basis of a style of play which is aimed at not losing rather than trying to win. Having witnessed the great period of the club's history in the 1950s, 60s and early 70s, the current way of playing is not for me, thanks very much.
However, Swangull's photograph has prompted me to ask the question: Is there no longer an "Enclosure" (i.e. standing area) in front of the main grandstand ?
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Post by rjdgull on Sept 8, 2012 22:58:53 GMT
I suppose what gets me is that the bench was designed to accommodate more away supporters, (500 in T & O) but then with presumably H & S safety issues in respect of segregation we then lose 2/3ish of a block. As it happens, it wasn't a sell out although more people may have preferred to sit in the bench as opposed to the family stand for example but in practice it does reduce the bench capacity down by around 150 to 1600ish. Once again, I can take positives from the match where after being out for a month Danny had a storming match going on a number of mazey runs and his touch to control some of those cross field balls was at times divine. Nathan Craig also looked very good and is going to be a big star for us. Not sure if Easton will now displace him once he gets fit. Throw in Lathrope and once fit again, will make for a very competitive midfield and just maybe Ling will have the option of rotating some players when the games start to come thick and fast. Likewise, once Macklin recovers from injury, you have two very pacey wingers that can come on for two skillful ones. Not a bad start to the season and although the injuries have disrupted the side, it has been an opportunity for some of the younger players to show what they can do and may well stand us in better stead as the season progresses.
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Post by rjdgull on Sept 8, 2012 23:07:41 GMT
I don't go to matches any more for reasons which I have made perfectly clear since Mr Ling's tactics became evident. Some people may appreciate the reasons behind a formation in which there is only one forward. However, I feel that this is the basis of a style of play which is aimed at not losing rather than trying to win. Having witnessed the great period of the club's history in the 1950s, 60s and early 70s, the current way of playing is not for me, thanks very much. However, Swangull's photograph has prompted me to ask the question: Is there no longer an "Enclosure" (i.e. standing area) in front of the main grandstand ? This was talked about a lot in the design stage but the standing area was dropped but I can't remember the reason. There is quite a lot of wheelchair spaces below the seating area but that is all..... It is a pity that you didn't see the Rochdale game as the attacking play was constant until Downes got sent off with wave after wave of attacks and they were lucky to just concede the four goals in the first 65/70 minutes.
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Post by ajaxgull on Sept 9, 2012 0:29:10 GMT
Stewart, I have supported the Gulls now for nigh on forty years and I am sorry that you feel that you do not want to watch what is on offer. I have supported the club through thick and mostly thin but I will never stop going as I love the club, the people and the excitement of watching a live game. Times and circumstances change but I love TUFC and lets be realistic the only "great period" to which you refer to in success terms was the Frank O'Farrell years of the late 60's. What is on offer is a club battling against harsh economic circumstances and trying to make the best of what is has. Plenty of things can be improved but this is after all Torquay United and not Manchester United (Thank God !). So in essence I say come back to Plainmoor understand what the club is up against and what it is trying to acheive and enjoy it for what it is !! We can always look back with rose tinted glasses but have a go and watch some of the You Tube clips of football and TUFC of yesteryear and you may be shocked at what you see !!
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Post by rjdgull on Sept 9, 2012 8:46:21 GMT
Having just watched the disallowed goal again several times I think we were unlucky as I don't think it was a foul. Rene was tussling with Purse for the ball and the keeper came out and jumped over Rene to take the ball but as it caught it, it was his forward momentum that took him into Rene's back and it was the impact that made him drop the ball. After just a small delay on the ground, he decided that he was then hurt!
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Post by chelstongull on Sept 9, 2012 9:07:32 GMT
Having just watched the disallowed goal again several times I think we were unlucky as I don't think it was a foul. Rene was tussling with Purse for the ball and the keeper came out and jumped over Rene to take the ball but as it caught it, it was his forward momentum that took him into Rene's back and it was the impact that made him drop the ball. After just a small delay on the ground, he decided that he was then hurt! Yep the ref (and the popside lino) got conned throughout the game by the cheating Argyle (can't bring myself to call them Cornish). There was the incident when Howe had beaten Purse for speed (not difficult I know) and Purse went down like he'd been shot from the school. What made it worse was the drop ball 15 yards back from the incident. Argyle will be the happier of the two teams with the point. Madjo was an interesting signing for Argyle as they seem to be missing 3 strikers. Sort of striker to replace Howe after 70 minutes or so. Don't think Jarvis is the answer, whether he has 10 minutes to do something or the winger outlets have been taken off. Danny lively on his return was one of the plus points along with the Saah/Downes CB pairing. Roger East....................
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Post by Jon on Sept 9, 2012 9:32:25 GMT
The first half felt very much like last season's games with Argyle.
They were flinging themselves around and fighting tooth and nail to keep level, while we looked a class above, but couldn't make it count.
I was looking forward to the dam busting and us coasting to another comfortable win, but we did not really get going after half time.
Argyle had the better of the possession and the better of the chances without ever looking like they were playing good football.
Their formation and style played a part in us not firing - we look far better against decent footballing teams like Cheltenham and Rochdale.
The referee did not help in that he is definitely not a man to let a game of football flow. He looked surprised and confused when he was given a massive ovation for giving a 50-50 decision our way in the 92nd minute - the first time that had happened in the match.
In his defence, he was correct in the two backpass incidents. There was some debate in our little group as to whether a backpass had to be off the foot or could be off the thigh, knee or shin. Examples were quoted of free kicks having been awarded in these circumstances, but I checked when i got home and it seems Mr East was right and the refs who awarded the free kicks were wrong.
On the whole, a slightly disappointing game. Two points dropped against poor opposition, but games against determined and organised opponents are never easy.
Craig was confident and assured - will be a good player. A good comeback game for Stevens. Pokey back to his best. Saah and Downes are a great pairing.
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Post by Jon on Sept 9, 2012 9:41:12 GMT
Forgot to add, it was nice to meet up with the famous Chesterfield widebeeste yesterday. Managed to introduce him to a shed load of posters from here too. He might think twice about moving down this way now!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2012 10:10:14 GMT
I had a text from Wildebeeste saying he was pleased to have met a number of posters who he described as "nice guys". Best behaviour, was it?
But, of course, he expressed his disappointment in not encountering Alpine Joe. But who has?
Thanks to Jon for passing over the magazines to James B.
Yesterday was a test for me in not being there. Would I get withdrawal symptoms?
Well, no, not yet anyway. Must have been the North Staffordshire heat wave that kept me content. Oatcakes on sale in Leek too but I didn't indulge.
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Sept 9, 2012 10:58:46 GMT
Thought it had the look of 2 midtable sides scrapping without creating a great deal. I think Cole made 3 saves and Pokey about 4? Both defences looked pretty solid. Plus points for me were Danny's return, Pokey looking good and the Saah/Downes axis. Also thought Morris looked quite comfortable in the middle rather than on the wing and Craig looked as good as Lathrope, keeping it nice and simple with the passing.
Bit concerned that our pretty much strongest starting 11 (probably nothing to choose between Craig, Easton or Lathrope) couldnt do more against a pretty average Argyle side. Whilst we edged the first half, Argyle were probably the better in the 2nd half. Just having Howe up front meant they could drop to 3 at the back quite regularly putting more pressure on in midfield.
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Post by JamesB on Sept 9, 2012 15:31:16 GMT
Can't add too much more than what's already been said but I think what we lacked yesterday was what tactical gurus would call "penetration" - or what the rest of us would call creativity or a killer pass. Morris is a good player and showed some great touches yesterday but he's no O'Kane - he doesn't provide us with defence-splitting passes. As Jon said, it was like the match last year and it was O'Kane who won it for us last year. The anonymity of Bodin only added to that - he only seemed to wake up in the last 5 minutes - and Nicho's set pieces weren't brilliant
But I was very impressed with Nathan Craig - he seems every bit the player he has been hyped up to be by those that have written on him. I would go as far as to say he offers more than Lathrope - it was very much more of a Busquets-type role in that he was great defensively but was also dictating the play. If we get Lathrope or Easton back fit I'd play him in Morris' position, or - dare I say it - drop Mansell. He could be the difference
Thompson also looked very lively when he came on - his pace is indeed extraordinary, and his deliveries were getting progressively better through the match. However, we simply didn't utilise him and his pace enough during the last 20 minutes. And on the rest of the bench, there's not enough - Jarvis isn't all that brilliant, and Yeoman is still inexperienced. Compare that to Argyle, who brought Madjo off the bench and have Chadwick somewhere in their squad too. This is where we need to exploit the loan market
Credit to Argyle for keeping us out, even though it wasn't always fair at times, but they didn't have to work especially hard for it. Feeney was Feeney - another Fortune-West: the sort of player who has a great game against you but is shit when he plays for you. Purse, on the other hand, was the opposite - another Branston. Some decent youngsters in that side too but they may struggle this year
All in all, disappointing - we certainly don't look a side capable of automatic promotion, especially with Gillingham racing off into the distance, Fleetwood scoring 4, Port Vale putting 6 past Rotherham and so on. Difficult to beat but finding it difficult to beat teams who come to stop us
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Post by rjdgull on Sept 9, 2012 17:07:18 GMT
Forgot to add, it was nice to meet up with the famous Chesterfield widebeeste yesterday. Managed to introduce him to a shed load of posters from here too. He might think twice about moving down this way now! Glad you found your man! ;D James - wouldn't disagree with any of your thoughts there. We may not have looked a top three side yesterday, but early days yet and no one last October would have predicted we would be second last April either. I don't think the best XI is always apparent at the begining of a season and once we settle and get key players back then I think the best is yet to come. We won an awful lot of matches on the road last year and maybe that is because the onus is on the home team to attack more leaving us more space with which to counter-attack.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2012 18:14:12 GMT
Forgot to add, it was nice to meet up with the famous Chesterfield widebeeste yesterday. Managed to introduce him to a shed load of posters from here too. Hey, who are you calling "wide" there, Jon? A great day. I really enjoyed meeting Jon and his many friends and hats off to petef, a lovely man who not only got me a ticket but also shared his chips and sweets. Pete, I forgot to give you those copies of Soccer Star and Left Foot in the Grave as promised, so please send me a message with your address on so I can put that right. The weather was brilliant, the fans friendly and good-humoured. The bright yellow, blue and white of Torquay and the dark green of Argyle made it a very colourful occasion and the Bench looks grand. A pity about the match, though! Torquay look solid in defence with a good goalie and two very fine central defenders. I thought ex-Spireite Ian Morris got through a lot of good work alongside Lee Mansell and I enjoyed watching first Danny Stevens and then Niall Thompson taking defenders on, but Billy Bodin looked half asleep till the last 5 minutes when he suddenly sprang into life. Rene Howe has a great touch as well as physical presence but he didn't get the help he deserved, while the gormless ref (I recognised him immediately because he was up here the other week and he was hopeless then as well) simply wouldn't allow him to challenge for the ball in the air. Having said all that, I thought Argyle fully deserved a point from the game because, although they were no great shakes and repeatedly overhit their passes throughout the game, they battled and fought for every ball. Darren Purse and Paul Wotton are, to put it mildly, getting on a bit but they kept at it to the end. Now then. Interesting collective noun used by Jon to describe TFF posters: a shedload. That's exactly the term used by the estate agent to describe the amount of parking space behind the house we looked at. Is it a proper Torquinism? Will I see a shedload of goals next time I'm at Plainmoor?
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Post by petef on Sept 9, 2012 18:21:48 GMT
Well we must be doing something right if we are still undefeated in the league and its that solid foundation that just needs tweaking and building upon. Surely the priority at any level is to be hard to beat and then you can build upon that which I am certain we are capable of doing in the coming weeks and months ahead. We have a pretty good squad, stronger than last season some would argue and I would tend to agree the question is will it be "as or more effective" as our first choice eleven of last season . Only time will tell but I do think that the entertainment levels will be higher on h whole.
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