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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2012 20:51:55 GMT
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Post by ricardo on Aug 24, 2012 22:37:34 GMT
Crookes.....my only memory of that area was The Grindstone, a wonderful Wards pub if I am not mistaken. Had friends who lived just around the corner. A quick google tonight suggests that it is still there but not as I knew it!
Recognise the Hallamshire hospital and Hallam Towers Hotel from your pictures. Bramall Lane looks very different to how I remember it but I guess that would be true of most football grounds after 30 years including Plainmoor!
A little bird tells me that Wildebeeste was familiar with Sheffield too - possibly about the same time as me (1977-82)?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2012 6:57:20 GMT
It's true, Ricardo. 1977/9 were my Sheffield University years, when there was that great bookshop on West Street, the Moor was still thriving pre-Meadowhell and t'Oil in t'Rooad was still in place.
Still familiar with Sheffield now because my lad Greg lives in Nether Edge. As for Crookes, the Closed Shop still exists on Commonside and Beanies' wholefood shop continues to sell top notch fruit and veg. There does seem to be a lot of Japanese Knotweed about the area though. BD tells me that the Crookesmoor Building is fenced off and boarded up but the Arts Tower has had a clean-up and still stands proud on the skyline.
In this week's Private Eye there is letter, on the subject of Latinate diphthongs, from Richard Thurlow. That has got to be the same Richard Thurlow who taught both Barton and I the rudiments of social and economic history, for sure.
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Post by ricardo on Aug 25, 2012 11:08:27 GMT
Wilde' - I recall Ricahrd Thurlow's name but don't think I ever came across him.
Was very familiar with Nether Edge having spent most of my time living in that area - Carter Knowle Rd, Steade Rd and Psalter Lane. And my memory of T'Hole in t'Road was walking through there in 1980 and seeing the newspaper billboard declaring 'John Lennon shot dead'. Went straight home and cried....still sends a shiver through me.
Were you an Owl or a Blade during your time in Sheffield or were you already a devoted Spirite?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2012 11:57:59 GMT
Are you an Owl or a Blade? This is a question Deedahs are always asked when they are in other parts and they are always one else t'other, aren't they? I met one in Totnes last year and asked him that very question. He were a Blade.
I had no choice other than to be a Spireite because Saltergate was where my dad took us to our first matches. A Chesterfield fan cannot officially like either Sheffield club but (and please keep this a secret) as a youth I was actually a part-time closet Owl.
I once went to a Steel City derby in the early seventies at Bramall Lane and cheered for t'Wednesday. And, like your reaction to John Lennon's death, I had a quiet roar to myself when they threw away a 2-0 lead in the 1966 Cup Final. Most shameful of all, I had a letter printed in the Green 'Un which said that Wednesday should buy Alan Woodward!
Of course, all this nonsense ended for good when the Owls joined the Spireites in Division III, and their fans battered down the gates at the Cross Street End before crossing the pitch in attempt to "take" the Spion Kop, in 1975. "We" beat "them" 1-0 and any lingering affection I had for the Wednesday disappeared for ever that night.
Wednesday have always been the more charismatic club but these days I find that most neutrals come to prefer the Blades. Certainly Bramall Lane seems a more welcoming place than Hillsborough, while United's long years of under-achievement seem quite endearing. It's easier for proper football fans to indentify with failure than with success, after all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2012 23:04:33 GMT
In this week's Private Eye there is letter, on the subject of Latinate diphthongs, from Richard Thurlow. That has got to be the same Richard Thurlow who taught both Barton and I the rudiments of social and economic history, for sure. Good old Dickie Thurlow! I've often thought of him walking up Thurlow Road in Torquay. I'd like to think it was named after him. "Sidney Pollard's Ec Hist Army!"I see the arts tower is open to the public as part of the forthcoming heritage weekend: www.sheffield.ac.uk/whatson/heritageopendayMind you, I'm sure Ricardo studied something far more sensible than we did. But that may have meant him missing out on the famous paternoster experience: And my memory of T'Hole in t'Road was walking through there in 1980 and seeing the newspaper billboard declaring 'John Lennon shot dead'. Went straight home and cried....still sends a shiver through me. For Castle Square and Arundel Gate enthusiasts everywhere: Nether Edge? My territory was more Hunter's Bar - Lescar, Porter's Cottage, etc. And what's this about Deedahs?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2012 8:28:24 GMT
And what's this about Deedahs? A deedah is a person from Sheffield or Rotherham and refers to the local accent, as in, for example "Ayup, dee, wat dah doin'?" Bobby Knutt and Sean Bean are fine examples. Neil Warnock's rougher edges have been worn away since he has lived in Cornwall but there's no disguising his essential deedahness. Deedahs are not to be confused with Tykes, who come from the heart of Yorkshire (Leeds, Barnsley etc) and whose dialect is not as funny to the rest of us.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2012 8:38:20 GMT
This is a lovely picture not only for the iconic 'Oil but also for the different eras of architecture on display. There is the lovely old Midland Bank building and shops to the left there, a 1960s set of tower blocks (probably Gleadless) in the distance and the utilitarian post-Luftwaffe concrete thing on the right. And a fine view of the hills and moors of Derbyshire in the background. It's a cracker.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2012 9:26:00 GMT
Given the direction of that Castle Square picture, that's an extremely optimistic shout claiming those hills for Derbyshire!
What about those wonderful old buses? If only m**s* was here now!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2012 10:37:55 GMT
wildebeeste Deplorable behaviour not to mention most un-neighbourly. I've even gone to the trouble of digging out my 1975 'Owls' scrapbook to recall the occasion. Not a lot of Wednesday news filtered through to Cornwall in those days, but there was a small mention in the Western Morning News: As a left handed schoolkid I clearly struggled with the scissors ;D I think most Wednesdayites have little animosity for Chesterfield these days, particularly with former greats John Sheridan and Chris Turner so closely involved. I'm even willing to see Dave Allen do well. My one and only visit to Saltergate was 10 years or more ago. I'd travelled up to see the Sheffield derby on the Sunday and was lucky enough to catch the Spireites home game on the Saturday, although I can't remember who their opponents were that day. A gloriously old fashioned place, with one of the ends behind the goal closed off. I'd imagine that plans to move were already underway, and so little, if any expense by way of modernisation was thought sensible. Not that it's any excuse, but the 'Battle of Saltergate' (Sept 1975) didn't demonstrate any particular dislike towards Chesterfield FC and it's followers compared to other clubs. I see that Grimsby, and British Rail, got treatened similarly at the time.....and that was only a pre season 'friendly' So belated apologies on behalf of the OCS - all of whom will surely have swapped their Dr.Martens for carpet slippers several years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2012 11:28:37 GMT
So belated apologies on behalf of the OCS - all of whom will surely have swapped their Dr.Martens for carpet slippers several years ago. A gracious apology, which I gladly accept! I remember the fighting but not Malcolm Darling's goal from 39 yards, which must be a misprint because it would have been pretty unforgettable. The match itself is a blur, though, because, in common with thousands of others who were there, my over-riding concern was about getting home again in one piece. The closure of the Kop end came about during 2000/1 when tubby chairman and massive fraudster Darren Brown reneged on a promise to carry out essential safety measures. Saltergate was in such a neglected state in the summer of 2009 that it was the perfect choice to play the role of the 1970 Baseball Ground in The Damned United, having hardly changed at all in the intervening 39 years. The old place, which was at the top of my street, was still intact in June this year but you'd never know that now. I can hear the sound of houses and flats are being built as I write* My first trip to Hillsborough was on 28 December 1968 and was supposed to be a Christmas present from Uncle Fred, who almost certainly got the tickets for nothing because he was far too stingy to have bought them and, besides, he preferred United to Wednesday. It was a day so cold that Southampton goalkeeper Gerry Gurr couldn't cope and threw up in his penalty area. Peter Eustace missed a penalty, the game ended 0-0 and Uncle Fred had a big row with another fan after trampling on his seat at the end of the match. He then told me and my brother that he had "some business" to do and disappeared for an hour leaving us to freeze in the back of his van. I've been back a few times since then but never with Fred. * Actually journalistic licence. It's a public holiday and the builders have got the day off. Besides, all I can hear outside today is the traditional August Bank Holiday wind and rain. Thank goodness for the internet and these forums in particular.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2012 11:57:24 GMT
wildebeeste Ah! the Squire of Stocksbridge as I believe Peter is affectionately referred to in those parts. Thanks for some interesting reminiscences and it definately is an ideal way to spend a wet Bank Holiday. Although you'd better not neglect the homework set for you by Barton Downs: working out the direction of Derbyshire from the centre of Sheffield
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2012 14:34:04 GMT
Although you'd better not neglect the homework set for you by Barton Downs: working out the direction of Derbyshire from the centre of Sheffield OK, I give up. That's Angel Street straight ahead so those hills are in Yorkshire. I thought they looked too bleak and unattractive to really be in Derbyshire
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2012 14:56:35 GMT
Yep, drab Yorkshire hills.
And there's some drab Yorkshire weather here: Bradford Park Avenue 1 Halifax Town 1 at half-time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2012 20:34:24 GMT
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